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[AlwaysGreen]

Put it this way. Your way is destined for the code's demise. The other way it's gotta chance!

Who says! You! The peanut gallery doesn't count! You'll need to get a better anecdote!

 

[Stallion]

North Sydney have been gone for 20 years. When exactly does the code get "destroyed" and why the delay?

If you think the code has got stronger since the Bears unfair and unwarranted exit then their is no real hope you. The junior numbers have declined significantly! From 22 clubs with full numbers in all age groups to 8 or 9 junior clubs with sparse numbers in age groupings. The flow on effect of less people being interested in rugby league as their friends or family aren't involved necessitates a reduction in relevance and interest in the code. But some people can't or refuse to acknowledge these facts.

 

[Stallion]

I agree. Unfortunately @Stallion the reality is that some grounds will not be used for too much longer into the future. Brooky has been a great ground over the years but time is nearly up. If you have to be faced with the reality, no Brooky for OH&S reasons and no new stadium getting built on the northside by the NSW Govt, then what would you do?

States the"wisemen" whom cannot see the contraction of the code as a result of such flawed logic! It's pretty sad that you ignore the damage to the code already being inflicted and then advocate further whittling away of its presence. Absolutely reckless!

 

[AlwaysGreen]

The bears aren't coming back! It is sad but we need to move on!

Only a member of the peanut gallery would keep arguing for it!

Stop imploding!

 

[Stallion]

The bears aren't coming back! It is sad but we need to move on!

Only a member of the peanut gallery would keep arguing for it!

Stop imploding!

Not necessarily. Their is still an active Bears lobby and their are still hibernating fans. I'm more positive than some. The negativity and recklessness is really an eyeopener for myself and others on this site. Incredible! I'm starting to get use to it but shouldn't!

 

[AlwaysGreen]

Not necessarily. Their is still an active Bears lobby and their are still hibernating fans. I'm more positive than some. The negativity and recklessness is really an eyeopener for myself and others on this site. Incredible! I'm starting to get use to it but shouldn't!

The bears are extinct! Like your brain!

 

[jim_57]

Not necessarily. Their is still an active Bears lobby and their are still hibernating fans. I'm more positive than some. The negativity and recklessness is really an eyeopener for myself and others on this site. Incredible! I'm starting to get use to it but shouldn't!

There's positive and there's realistic positive, you can't always keep everyone happy.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

States the"wisemen" whom cannot see the contraction of the code as a result of such flawed logic! It's pretty sad that you ignore the damage to the code already being inflicted and then advocate further whittling away of its presence. Absolutely reckless!

I'm not basic my argument on emotion. I'm asking your opinion based on the facts. What is your answer if Brooky gets ruled out due to OH&S issues, no developer comes forward to redevelop Brooky and no new stadium is built in North Sydney (all three are very real realities)? What is your proposal? Please answer the question and don't cop out with your usual responses.

 

[Stallion]

There's positive and there's realistic positive, you can't always keep everyone happy.

The "Realistic positive" would be close to the version I forward. The alternative is surefire disaster and neglect for the code in an area already weakened by reckless strategies.

 

[The Great Dane]

Be patient. Stay at Brookvale and resurrect the Bears on the Central Coast. That's the solution. A meaningful and popular local derby back and kids along with locals once again relating to rugby league.

That's not a solution to the problem, it's the equivalent of doing nothing and hoping that the problem fixes it's self while Brookvale falls down around us...

Look I don't expect much of you anymore, but you haven't suggested where the money to rebuild Brookvale will come from, how the Sea Eagles will get access to it, why those people whose money it is will be willing to part with it, what those people will get out of funding the rebuild, etc, etc.

Manly to keep using Brookvale(I've been there and it's fine!)

Wait and enjoy Brookvale (which isn't a bad ground at all!)

I'm sure that plenty of people said the same thing about Valley Parade (in fact we know that they did), until the last game of the season on a windy day in 1985 when the out dated old stand that was in a state of disrepair and with a huge build up of rubbish underneath it cause the stadium authorities were using it as storage for the garbage caught fire.

Because of the outdated design of the stand people were trapped in it when it caught fire and couldn't get out, cause of the wooden roof the fire spread incredibly quickly especially on a windy day like the day that it caught fire, cause of the age and state of disrepair the stadium was in the fire damage quickly made it unstable...

56 people died, the stand that caught fire had been condemned earlier in the year and it was set to be demolished at the end of the season...

Admittedly Brookvale isn't as bad as Bradford City stadium was, for one thing it isn't condemned, yet, and I doubt that Warringah Council is using the space under the stands to store garbage that is created at the stadium instead of paying to get it taken to landfill and/or recycled...
But Brookvale is still pretty bad and quickly getting to a similar place that Bradford City was at when it burned down...

And frankly I've been to Brookvale as well and it's not fine, it's very old and really starting to fall apart, it's in the very twilight of it's life cycle so to speak...

 

[The Great Dane]

I'm not basic my argument on emotion. I'm asking your opinion based on the facts. What is your answer if Brooky gets ruled out due to OH&S issues, no developer comes forward to redevelop Brooky and no new stadium is built in North Sydney (all three are very real realities)? What is your proposal? Please answer the question and don't cop out with your usual responses.

I'd say that they are basically inevitable realities, it's just a matter of time.

 

[jim_57]

I'm not basic my argument on emotion. I'm asking your opinion based on the facts. What is your answer if Brooky gets ruled out due to OH&S issues, no developer comes forward to redevelop Brooky and no new stadium is built in North Sydney (all three are very real realities)? What is your proposal? Please answer the question and don't cop out with your usual responses.

Personally I think the best solution would be a 'North Eastern Super club' as opposed to just Redcliffe trying to go it alone. Something like 'Moreton Bay Dolphins' representing the Moreton Bay region, Far North Brisbane, Sunshine Coast perhaps even as far as Gympie or Bundaberg as far as community engagement and the odd trial go.

Playing at least 10 games at Suncorp with a game at Dolphin Stadium and perhaps Sunshine Coast stadium each year if viable.

Very tough call between that and a Western Corridor based bid encompassing Ipswich, Logan, Western Brisbane, Toowoomba and South Western QLD.

Sorry, did I get on topic?

 

[Stallion]

That's not a solution to the problem, it's the equivalent of doing nothing and hoping that the problem fixes it's self while Brookvale falls down around us...

Look I don't expect much of you anymore, but you haven't suggested where the money to rebuild Brookvale will come from, how the Sea Eagles will get access to it, why those people whose money it is will be willing to part with it, what those people will get out of funding the rebuild, etc, etc.





I'm sure that plenty of people said the same thing about Valley Parade (in fact we know that they did), until the last game of the season on a windy day in 1985 when the out dated old stand that was in a state of disrepair and with a huge build up of rubbish underneath it cause the stadium authorities were using it as storage for the garbage, caught fire.

Because of the outdated design of the stand people were trapped in it when it caught fire and couldn't get out, cause of the wooden roof the fire spread incredibly quickly especially on a windy day like the day that it caught fire, cause of the age and state of disrepair the stadium was in the fire damage quickly made it unstable...

56 people died, the stand that caught fire had been condemned earlier in the year and it was set to be demolished at the end of the season...

Admittedly Brookvale isn't as bad as Bradford City stadium was, for one thing it isn't condemned, yet, and I doubt that Warringah Council is using the space under the stands to store garbage that is created at the stadium instead of paying to get it taken to landfill and/or recycled...
But Brookvale is still pretty bad and quickly getting to a similar place that Bradford City was at when it burned down...

And frankly I've been to Brookvale as well and it's not fine, it's very old and really starting to fall apart, it's in the very twilight of it's life cycle so to speak...

We disagree .I think it's fine. I've had some great experiences watching footy on the hill there. Pretty sure alot of others enjoy Brookvale. It's only the "geniuses " who advocate the extinction of rugby league on the northern peninsula and northern Sydney (well done on that one dudes!) that seem to be enjoying wasting time again! It's school holidays. I don't particularly like conversing with poor thinkers! The decent ones yes, but the guys who can't see the damage they are advocating due to their own incapabilities is a real shame!

 

[jim_57]

The "Realistic positive" would be close to the version I forward. The alternative is surefire disaster and neglect for the code in an area already weakened by reckless strategies.

Nothing much about an 11th NSW team is realistic.

 

[Stallion]

Nothing much about an 11th NSW team is realistic.

In Australias most populated state and within an expansive country like Australia their is!

 

[The Great Dane]

We disagree .I think it's fine. I've had some great experiences watching footy on the hill there. Pretty sure alot of others enjoy Brookvale. It's only the "geniuses " who advocate the extinction of rugby league on the northern peninsula and northern Sydney (well done on that one dudes!) that seem to be enjoying wasting time again! It's school holidays. I don't particularly like conversing with poor thinkers! The decent ones yes, but the guys who can't see the damage they are advocating due to their own incapabilities is a real shame!

It's got nothing to do with enjoying time spent there or not!
It's hasn't even got anything to do with liking the place or not!

This isn't about us wanting the Sea Eagles to move, it's that they'll be forced to move whether we or they like it or not!

Brookvale is literally getting to the point where it's unsafe, it's literally falling apart!
It's literally getting to the point that whether we like it or not we wont be able to use it cause it'll be condemned!
Whether we like it and enjoy it or not, we wont be able to use it cause it'll be closed for good!

Once that happens then what!? Do we play on top of the rubble?

Once we get to that point the Sea Eagles will have no choice they'll be forced to move to a new stadium, cause we know that Brookvale isn't getting upgraded, that NS oval can't be upgraded cause it's heritage listed and even if it wasn't heritage listed the government still wouldn't upgrade it anyway, and the government isn't going to build a new stadium in NS, much less in Manly, anyway!
So Manly will have to move into a new stadium, it's just a question of which one.

 

[Stallion]

Personally I think the best solution would be a 'North Eastern Super club' as opposed to just Redcliffe trying to go it alone. Something like 'Moreton Bay Dolphins' representing the Moreton Bay region, Far North Brisbane, Sunshine Coast perhaps even as far as Gympie or Bundaberg as far as community engagement and the odd trial go.

Playing at least 10 games at Suncorp with a game at Dolphin Stadium and perhaps Sunshine Coast stadium each year if viable.

Very tough call between that and a Western Corridor based bid encompassing Ipswich, Logan, Western Brisbane, Toowoomba and South Western QLD.

Sorry, did I get on topic?

Finally some sense for the 2nd Brisbane team! I like what you have said. And it makes good sense. The most constructive comment I've noticed today.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

It's got nothing to do with enjoying time spent there or not!
It's hasn't even got anything to do with liking the place or not!

This isn't about us wanting the Sea Eagles to move, it's that they'll be forced to move whether we or they like it or not!

Brookvale is literally getting to the point where it's unsafe, it's literally falling apart!
It's literally getting to the point that whether we like it or not we wont be able to use it cause it'll be condemned!
Whether we like it and enjoy it or not, we wont be able to use it cause it'll be closed for good!

Once that happens then what!? Do we play on top of the rubble?

Once we get to that point the Sea Eagles will have no choice they'll be forced to move to a new stadium, cause we know that Brookvale isn't getting upgraded, that NS oval can't be upgraded cause it's heritage listed and even if it wasn't heritage listed the government still wouldn't upgrade it anyway, and the government isn't going to build a new stadium in NS, much less in Manly, anyway!
So Manly will have to move into a new stadium, it's just a question of which one.

I've given @Stallion about four or five chances to respond with a logical argument and he doesn't he just spews the same lines - I actually think he might be an AI bot. Anyway, I'll stop trying to get him to make a rational and logical proposals to real world problems because he is not interested in engaging on that level.

 

[Stallion]

I've given @Stallion about four or five chances to respond with a logical argument and he doesn't he just spews the same lines - I actually think he might be an AI bot. Anyway, I'll stop trying to get him to make a rational and logical proposals to real world problems because he is not interested in engaging on that level.

Their is no win to responding to hypothetical scenarios. I don't respond to mythical negative scenarios. I aim to assist in avoiding such hyperbole. My comments are based on fact (eg the obvious decline of the code in the abandoned North Sydney) The logic proposed by you dudes is not proven and is very disrespectful of longstanding and well known clubs and the many advantages that go with that. My stance is based on historical relevance and localism. Something you do not see as important!

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Their is no win to responding to hypothetical scenarios. I don't respond to mythical negative scenarios. I aim to assist in avoiding such hyperbole. My comments are based on fact (eg the obvious decline of the code in the abandoned North Sydney) The logic proposed by you dudes is not proven and is very disrespectful of longstanding and well known clubs and the many advantages that go with that. My stance is based on historical relevance and localism. Something you do not see as important!

Mate it is actually quite a simple and realistic question. If Allianz has been deemed as an OH&S disaster waiting to happen, how long do you realistically think Brooky has left? Burying your head in the sand over an issue that will affect Manly in the near future is not a solution. If you don't want to address the question just let me know and I'll stop asking it.