Redcliffe put their hand up

[flippikat]

I like the Dolphins branding..

And

South Queensland compliments (and balances with) North Queensland

Thumbs up from me.

I think it's a shrewd move if "South Queensland Dolphins" is their pick. A good nod to the Crushers brief attempt at being a cross-town rival to the Broncos as well. Maybe they could even hook into that and wear a vertically striped red/white/grey jersey as heritage at some stage - the Titans have sometimes worn the old Seagulls jersey in Titans colours after all.

It also means they can be a club for Brisbane AND the Sunshine Coast, at a time when the Sunshine Coast isn't ready for a top tier team of their own. (Whether they ever will be is perhaps a debatable question)

I think this model could be the way for a future 3rd Brisbane team, going west - Queensland *somethings* (maybe a snake emblem instead of Jets) - Green/brown colours, most games at Suncorp, 1 or 2 at Toowoomba, training & HQ based in Ipswich.

That way you have the Broncos as undeniably a city team, Dolphins playing central but having the Sunshine Coast as secondary market.. and Snakes playing Central but having the country towns to the west as secondary market. We could also have Gold Coast take a game or two to Tweed Heads- the game against Newcastle springs to mind. Play that in a heritage Gold Coast-Tweed Giants jersey.. either in the original silver or Titans colours.

I was previously thinking that the Firebirds were the best bid for Brisbane 2, but if the majority of home games for Brisbane 2 and eventually 3 are at workable mix of central-stadium strategy & a regional approach - then that's the way forward for the greater Brisbane/SEQ area IMO.

If a club is going to have a game or two each year in a smallish boutique stadium, make those games in a regional centre that's not big enough to sustain a fulltime NRL team on their own. Don't bother with regular season games in Brisbane suburbs... as that just leads to the muddle we have in Sydney.

 

[T-Boon]

South Queensland Dolphins.

Forget "Redcliffe", forget "Moreton Bay". New teams have to have national and even international appeal. Queensland has to be in the name. Brisbane could do, but Brisbane-Redcliffe is a bit awkward/old-timey and North Brisbane has too much overlap with Norths Devils.
South Queensland has international recognition and is a nice counterpoint to North Queensland.

South Queensland. Red jerseys. Most games at Suncorp.
It's a very strong brand.

Yep, nice. If they sold a "hate broncos" membership I'd join.

 

[mongoose]

Are Sunshine Coast people going to get out and support the Dolphins if they play games up there? when the Dolphins play at Suncorp are people from all over Brisbane going to attend their games? people south of the river, which would be 60%+ of the population are not going to travel to Redcliffe in large numbers, that's for sure.

South QLD Dolphins, Moreton Bay Dolphins... could be huge success down the track but things need to be considered....

 

[greenBV4]

Are Sunshine Coast people going to get out and support the Dolphins if they play games up there? when the Dolphins play at Suncorp are people from all over Brisbane going to attend their games? people south of the river, which would be 60%+ of the population are not going to travel to Redcliffe in large numbers, that's for sure.

South QLD Dolphins, Moreton Bay Dolphins... could be huge success down the track but things need to be considered....

Definately, dolphins will only work playing the vast majority at suncorp, and with a rebrand/significant tweak of the location part of their name

I do think Dolphins is a great mascot though

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Adelaide will not be playing in the NRL for decades

Maybe the Raiders or Storm could become the Southern Raiders/Storm and play 4 or 6 games in Adelaide.

 

[mongoose]

Maybe the Raiders or Storm could become the Southern Raiders/Storm and play 4 or 6 games in Adelaide.

lol

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

You think Storm are the only team recruiting from outside there area and in the PIs? not many teams would have a roster filled with majority local juniors, even in the heatland, and Kiwis and other Islanders make up a LARGE percentage of the playing pool - they are noones local juniors and all would of been scouted

Also, local juniors should have no bearing on a clubs success in the NRL nor the location of new teams. Like it or not the NRL is (supposed to be) corporate and nation-wide - like top tier competitions from all around the world signings also come from everywhere. A local junior making it for a local club is still a great story, I'd like to see Young Tonumaipea come back to Melbourne (the club apparently has shown interest and he turned down an extension at the Titans), but should not be the pillarstone for sucess, sucess should be the pillarstone for sucess.

It IS NOT an NRL club's role to invest in local juniors, it's that of the leagues clubs, local leagues, the state leages and the NRL. Because some clubs are tied-in with a leagues club its seen as that team investing in juniors - it's not, it's the venue doing so, which is a seperate entity who's only legal reason to exists is to do just that, take away that leagues club and the pokie money and I can bet you that club will no longer support the local scene like they do.

Failure to engage local players in Melbourne is not a failure of the Storm's, its NRL Vic's failure, and so by extension the NRLs.


Also, great to see Redcliffe are making efforts to broaden their appeal, if they stick to this I can see them getting the nod - I also agree that the redcliffe stadium game would be better off shifted to the sunny coast and keeping dolphin stadium as a class training centre and home ground for the qld cup side

How do the Storm get the best juniors from Queensland, NSW, NZ, PNG and Fiji to turn their back on the local NRL clubs they grew up supporting and relocate to Melbourne?

If every club has scouts scouring the landscape for talent, as you say, then it is statistically impossible for 15 clubs to regularly overlook the best ones and 1 club from a non-RL city to be the only one that spots them.

They must have more talent scouts across the country, a large assembly of quality coaches and trainers to transform young recruits into world class athletes who get the most out of their ability and some sort of enticement to get these teens to turn their back on their families and the clubs they grew up supporting.

My guess is much of the extra $100 million the Storm were handed from News Ltd/ARLC between 98-18 was spent illegally acquiring the best juniors. Throw big brown paper bags full of $100 bills at a kid and his parents, many of whom are poor, and he will gladly turn down playing for the club he grew up supporting and hitch his wagon to his sugar daddy.

What else could that money have been spent on? Two books?

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Are Sunshine Coast people going to get out and support the Dolphins if they play games up there? when the Dolphins play at Suncorp are people from all over Brisbane going to attend their games? people south of the river, which would be 60%+ of the population are not going to travel to Redcliffe in large numbers, that's for sure.

South QLD Dolphins, Moreton Bay Dolphins... could be huge success down the track but things need to be considered....

You're against teams representing regional areas, are you not?

You are against the Redcliffe bid based on the location and size of its geographical footprint.

Canberra is small and remote. It's limited to the 400,000 people who live there and provides no derbies due to its location.

Moreton Bay Region has around 400,000 and is close enough to Brisbane to provide a genuine derby. Diehard fans will even travel from the area to the Gold Coast. Over the last 24 years I've witnessed Redcliffe's loyal fanbase travel by coach all over the south-east to see their beloved team play in the Queensland Cup.

If you're going to deny the Dolphins then you have to kick out the Raiders or relocate them to a larger city.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

I think the big well is the Pacific islands. Storm indeed got a kickstart - and they’ve kicked on.

Fijians and Papuans have the perfect attributes to play in the centres and on the wing, but they haven't kicked on as playmaking and organising halfbacks/five-eighths. It takes years of playing against the best to develop the awareness and skillset required to be a quality match winning halfback/five-eighth. Ditto for the fullback position. A quality fullback is just as vital as they organise the defensive line.

 

[greenBV4]

How do the Storm get the best juniors from Queensland, NSW, NZ, PNG and Fiji to turn their back on the local NRL clubs they grew up supporting and relocate to Melbourne?

If every club has scouts scouring the landscape for talent, as you say, then it is statistically impossible for 15 clubs to regularly overlook the best ones and 1 club from a non-RL city to be the only one that spots them.

They must have more talent scouts across the country, a large assembly of quality coaches and trainers to transform young recruits into world class athletes who get the most out of their ability and some sort of enticement to get these teens to turn their back on their families and the clubs they grew up supporting.

My guess is much of the extra $100 million the Storm were handed from News Ltd/ARLC between 98-18 was spent illegally acquiring the best juniors. Throw big brown paper bags full of $100 bills at a kid and his parents, many of whom are poor, and he will gladly turn down playing for the club he grew up supporting and hitch his wagon to his sugar daddy.

What else could that money have been spent on? Two books?

The Storm system has churned out many stars who before coming here didn't show all that much potential, commentators regulary say that any player who plays for Melbourne leaves the place a much better player. And also yes - Melbourne scouts must just be more numourous and/or likely just better at their jobs than other teams. JAC and Paps are recent examples of this, rejects at the Tigers but obviously Melbourne saw the potential that others didn't, so either Melbourne is just better at it or the other clubs suck - probably a mixture of both

Also, these players from the PIs & NZ, as well as country areas of Aus, likely didnt have a club they were overly attached to growing up (or even more likely were Union players) and would love the opportunity play in one of the best systems in the league. I didn't really support a single team growing up as no team properly represented my area (had a soft spot for the Titans cos they kinda did, but then picked up the Storm when I moved here, but before that mostly just followed the game without a real favourite).

And even then, players like Cam Smith had no issue playing for Melbourne after Brisbane didnt want him, despite growing up a Broncos fan - I think you are over estimating the importance of playing for your local team, and not everyone has a "local team" in the first place.

Also, as shocking as it might be for you, some people actually to support the Storm. Cooper Johns for example grew up supporting them.

As for your "it is statistically impossible for 15 clubs to regularly overlook the best ones and 1 club from a non-RL city to be the only one that spots them" - do you seriously think this is the case and other clubs havn't picked up star PI players? look at some of the Eels recent star wingers? and there are many more examples. No different to the raiders picking up great talent from the UK.

Just because some clubs can't manage to recruit a decent team to save their lives (looking at QLD teams here, among others), doesn't mean you shouldn't be allowed to. Maybe those clubs should look at sacking their scouts and recruiters.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

The Storm system has churned out many stars who before coming here didn't show all that much potential, commentators regulary say that any player who plays for Melbourne leaves the place a much better player. And also yes - Melbourne scouts must just be more numourous and/or likely just better at their jobs than other teams. JAC and Paps are recent examples of this, rejects at the Tigers but obviously Melbourne saw the potential that others didn't, so either Melbourne is just better at it or the other clubs suck - probably a mixture of both

Also, these players from the PIs & NZ, as well as country areas of Aus, likely didnt have a club they were overly attached to growing up, and would love the opportunity play in one of the best systems in the league. I didn't really support a single team growing up as no team properly represented my area (had a soft spot for the Titans cos they kinda did, but then picked up the Storm when I moved here, but before that mostly just followed the game without a real favourite).

And even then, players like Cam Smith had no issue playing for Melbourne after Brisbane didnt want him, despite growing up a Broncos fan - I think you are over estimating the importance of playing for your local team, and not everyone has a "local team" in the first place.

Also, as shocking as it might be for you, some people actually to support the Storm. Cooper Johns for example grew up supporting them.

Slater wanted to be a Cowboy and Smith a Bronco.

Money talks, bullshit walks. It makes the world go around.

Smith had a testimonial at Lang Park, years before retirement, to make more money. He had it written into his contract, along with 2 corporate lunches with the benefits going into his back account. Two rings handed to him and his wife by the ARLC CEO. That's a man who only cares about the moolah. All of these things given to him around the time the Storm's extra funding from the ARLC was coming to an end. Co-incidence?

The non-Vics from Brisbane who support the Storm are no different to the fair-weather yuppies who hitch their allegiance to Man U, Chelsea or whichever soccer team is dominant. They're not real fans.

 

[Perth Red]

Haha broncos spend $55mill a year compared to most clubs $27mill a year. You think given these qlnd players were from the region the broncos couldn’t have signed them? Storm are the best at what they do, find some with potential then help,them realise that potential. They are arguably the best club of all time for doing this. Doesn’t matter what part of the world you come from. If that’s where they spend their money then they are making wise investments given theIr returns!

someone from Brisbane complaining about unfair advantage, you couldn’t make it up lol.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

https://www.qrl.com.au/news/2020/09/23/dolphins-bid-nrl-ready-with-new-stadium-complete/

This article pretty much answers the major questions about a Refcliffe bid:

• $100m in assets (big plus)
• Solid revenues from the asset base (financial stability)
• Majority of games to be played at Suncorp with only 1 or 2 at Dolphin oval
• Dolphin Oval and surrounding precinct to be primarily used for a training and admin base
• Colours and Dolphin logo to remain but the Redcilffe name will not to appeal to a broader market

You can't really ask them to do much more than that

 

[greenBV4]

https://www.qrl.com.au/news/2020/09/23/dolphins-bid-nrl-ready-with-new-stadium-complete/

This article pretty much answers the major questions about a Refcliffe bid:

• $100m in assets (big plus)
• Solid revenues from the asset base (financial stability)
• Majority of games to be played at Suncorp with only 1 or 2 at Dolphin oval
• Dolphin Oval and surrounding precinct to be primarily used for a training and admin base
• Colours and Dolphin logo to remain but the Redcilffe name will not to appeal to a broader market

You can't really ask them to do much more than that

Its great they recognise they can't just be redcliffe, and thus another manly
hopefully it's not all talk if and once they get in

 

[T-Boon]

Get em in for 21.
Cam Smith inaugural captain.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Haha broncos spend $55mill a year compared to most clubs $27mill a year. You think given these qlnd players were from the region the broncos couldn’t have signed them? Storm are the best at what they do, find some with potential then help,them realise that potential. They are arguably the best club of all time for doing this. Doesn’t matter what part of the world you come from. If that’s where they spend their money then they are making wise investments given theIr returns!

someone from Brisbane complaining about unfair advantage, you couldn’t make it up lol.

I hate the Broncos just as much as Melbourne and have spoken out about the unfair advantages they get ever since I joined this board, so your last paragraph is just stupid.

I want 3 teams in Brisbane to help even the playing field, whereas you want the region to be under-represented. You are a walking contradiction.

Before the Storm came along there was another team that did everything they do. They were called the Brisbane Broncos and linked to News Ltd. Every player worth their weight in gold would end up at Red Hill, apparently to play under Wayne Bennett. What were they being paid, a can of Coca Cola and a weekly Big Mac Meal? You weren't even in the country at the time, so you can be forgiven for not having a clue.

You whinge about Sydney having too many clubs and none in Perth, but when people suggest a Sydney team relocate to Perth, to solve the alleged "problem", you whinge and say "no thanks". You give the "whinging pom" stereotype validity.

 

[flippikat]

https://www.qrl.com.au/news/2020/09/23/dolphins-bid-nrl-ready-with-new-stadium-complete/

This article pretty much answers the major questions about a Refcliffe bid:

• $100m in assets (big plus)
• Solid revenues from the asset base (financial stability)
• Majority of games to be played at Suncorp with only 1 or 2 at Dolphin oval
• Dolphin Oval and surrounding precinct to be primarily used for a training and admin base
• Colours and Dolphin logo to remain but the Redcilffe name will not to appeal to a broader market

You can't really ask them to do much more than that

I'd prefer the 1-2 games to be on the Sunshine Coast instead of Redcliffe, to be part of a regional mindset, but I can live with 1-2 at Redcliffe. Hopefully they do trial matches on the Sunshine Coast.

Similar with a future Central-West team. If they can't/ won't do 1 or 2 games in Toowoomba, then 1 or 2 in Ipswich (the rest at Suncorp) is fine.

 

[T-Boon]

I'd prefer the 1-2 games to be on the Sunshine Coast instead of Redcliffe, to be part of a regional mindset, but I can live with 1-2 at Redcliffe. Hopefully they do trial matches on the Sunshine Coast.

2 SS
2 R
8 B

there will also be a 9th B game against the B Buttholes.

 

[mongoose]

You're against teams representing regional areas, are you not?

You are against the Redcliffe bid based on the location and size of its geographical footprint.

Canberra is small and remote. It's limited to the 400,000 people who live there and provides no derbies due to its location.

Moreton Bay Region has around 400,000 and is close enough to Brisbane to provide a genuine derby. Diehard fans will even travel from the area to the Gold Coast. Over the last 24 years I've witnessed Redcliffe's loyal fanbase travel by coach all over the south-east to see their beloved team play in the Queensland Cup.

If you're going to deny the Dolphins then you have to kick out the Raiders or relocate them to a larger city.

I'm not against teams representing regional areas. I think that new expansion teams should appeal to as many people as possible though. What has Canberra got to do with anything? they entered into the comp in 1982 when it was semi professional. There is absolutely no benefit to relocating them, especially when you have 9 teams in an overcrowded Sydney market. The Raiders are sponsored up, have 5 Leagues clubs, a decent quality stadium although a new enclosed one close to Civic would be wonderful. They have had lots of success at junior levels for decades and brought through many first graders.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

I'm not against teams representing regional areas. I think that new expansion teams should appeal to as many people as possible though. What has Canberra got to do with anything? they entered into the comp in 1982 when it was semi professional. There is absolutely no benefit to relocating them, especially when you have 9 teams in an overcrowded Sydney market. The Raiders are sponsored up, have 5 Leagues clubs, a decent quality stadium although a new enclosed one close to Civic would be wonderful. They have had lots of success at junior levels for decades and brought through many first graders.

My point is it's hypocritical for Canberra fans to demand Sydney clubs be given the chop based on "limited appeal" when the exact same argument can be made about the Raiders.

Don't get me wrong, I am not against the Raiders and would hate to see them gone. AwFuL, Big Bash, Sheffield Shield, NBL, Netball and the NSL or whatever it's called these days don't deem Canberra to be worthy of having its own team. We keep hearing Dane and you going on about how these leagues have teams in Adelaide and Perth and why we must too. Well they don't have Canberra, so if you reckon we should take our cues from them then why keep the Raiders?