Redcliffe put their hand up

[Perth Red]

Of course the guy who wants western reds 2.0 is in favor of new Crushers.

The bombers model has never been a success in any league. The most successful 2nd team expansions are based in geography; Fremantle Dockers, Wanderers.
Teams that have failed like Melbourne City & Crushers share same attributes as bombers; no specific fan base or location to represent, corporate with no grass roots. A side like this playing out of Suncorp will just compound lack of difference with Broncos.

Crushers.. I mean Bombers is just repeating past mistake

Dockers are a corporate club with no history or grassroots past their creation as an afl club. The only thing different between them and WC Eagles is their name is more specific to an area of Perth, something that has arguably limited their ability to be as big as WC. If Bombers bid changed its brand and name then it would look exactly the same as the Dockers did at inception. In fact having a more generic name such as SQ may well make them more like West Coast in terms of broader appeal than the existing club. West Coast are much bigger than Fremantle. I guess if we want a much smaller club than Broncos then limiting them geographically in their appeal will certainly have that outcome. Dockers only draw from half the city, WC draw from all the city, that is a big difference.

Lets be honest if the new clubs is anywhere near as successful as Broncos we would be very happy! They are twice the size of any other NRL club.

 

[Pippen94]

And what do all of those most successful second teams have in common; they all represent large parts of the city and not small glorified suburbs like the clubs you push.

If you want to replicate the WSW or Fremantle then you need to be talking about a large geographical area with a high population, not small areas on the outskirts of the city like Morton Bay or Ipswich.

Morton Bay is not small - population about same size as Canberra & growing faster.

Ipswich closer to Brisbane than Parramatta to Sydney. Like Parramatta clear no.2 cbd & perfect place to locate southern team

 

[The Great Dane]

Surely Redcliffe with a long history have supporters outside of Redcliffe? Like the Sydney teams do, St.george for instance have supporters all over the place. They don't all live in Kogarah.
South's play a long way from their home...

Mate, nobody gives a f**k about anything outside of the top tier in Australian sport.

I'd be massively surprised if they average over a few hundred at their games.

 

[Perth Red]

Morton Bay is not small - population about same size as Canberra & growing faster.

Ipswich closer to Brisbane than Parramatta to Sydney. Like Parramatta clear no.2 cbd & perfect place to locate southern team

Problem is Moreton Bay doesn't have a suitable stadium within easy reach and the NRL want a game at Suncorp every week.

 

[The Great Dane]

Morton Bay is not small - population about same size as Canberra & growing faster.

Ipswich closer to Brisbane than Parramatta to Sydney. Like Parramatta clear no.2 cbd & perfect place to locate southern team

Compared to the broader population in Brisbane, Morton Bay and Ipswich are tiny. Clubs that cater to MB or Ipswich would only represent hundreds of thousands of people, a club that caters to a broader region of Brisbane would represent more than a million people.

Now you tell me what is better thousands or millions?

 

[greenBV4]

The other thing peole tend to forget is the NRL has yet to officially call for bids to come forward.
If/when they did we would likely see other Brombers-like bids coming forward that might have these points of differences.

I still do like the Dolphins brand though, it'd be a popular marketable mascot, and would add a red team into the sea of blue - the issue is that they don't know who to represent - or maybe that only comes across like that becuase of people opinions in here

From the majority of things Ive read - they are likely going to go with Brisbane or SQ Dolphins, with most games at Suncorp, training base at redcliffe with the odd game there, the SC thing may have been mentioned in a throw away once but I dont think thats what they are focusing on (and this is a good thing)

Dolphins can work with a city-wide branding and HERITAGE links to redcliffe through their training base and feeder club, but theres no reason they cant draw fans city-wide with the right marketing

tldr
The Redcliffe bid has no intention of just being Redcliffe, nor even just Moreton Bay, they will go with a city wide branding, they also will not be focusing on the Sunshine Coast besides maybe the odd 1 game a season.

 

[The Great Dane]

You're talking sense - you got corona or just recovered from corona??

Most direct way to replicate Fibros vs Silvertails; admit Western Corridor bid

Too small compared to what's on offer more centrally, no suitable stadium and wouldn't work playing out of Suncorp, not particularly financially strong, very confused branding, etc, etc.

Could the Western Corridor bid work, hypothetically yes, but they'd need to change all those things and more for it to be a good idea. It'll probably be more realistic to put a club there in a few decades time.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

It seems for the Dolphins to also cater for the SC they will need a dragons like situation, and perhaps a merger/ joint venture with the Falcons. However im not convinced the Dragons model is a great model to strive for..

Has Redcliffe ever even mentioned the Sunshine Coast in their bid or was that just something brought up on here? It seems from their official statements they a learning more towards a "broader" Brisbane branding

I posted a link a few pages back. They want to keep the dolphins brand but not the Redcliffe name, they want to play at Suncorp to broaden their appeal with one or two games at Dolphin oval. The bid seems very much geared towards being Brisbane 2 and utilising Suncorp which is a good idea and what the NRL wants from a second Brisbane team.

 

[LeagueXIII]

Mate, nobody gives a f**k about anything outside of the top tier in Australian sport.

I'd be massively surprised if they average over a few hundred at their games.

Mate...you love stating the obvious....however they would have built a following like all clubs have over the years not everybody goes to the ground that's why a team like Parra get an average of 16 to 20000 in the ground but average on tv 500k to 800k....see how it works.
Once they get in the big league it all changes....but you'd know that from following the Raiders......

 

[The Great Dane]

The other thing peole tend to forget is the NRL has yet to officially call for bids to come forward.
If/when they did we would likely see other Brombers-like bids coming forward that might have these points of differences.

Yep, there are definitely groups waiting the wings whom won't come forward until the NRL to announce the bidding process, and chances are that one of them will be a much better bid than anything that is on offer.

That's normally what happens in an open bidding process as well.

 

[The Great Dane]

Mate you love stating the obvious....

If it's so f**king obvious then why are suggesting that there must be a significant amount of support for the Dolphins outside of Redcliffe simply because they've been around for a long time?

I mean honestly you are the personification of cognitive dissonance.

 

[Perth Red]

Mate...you love stating the obvious....however they would have built a following like all clubs have over the years not everybody goes to the ground that's why a team like Parra get an average of 16 to 20000 in the ground but average on tv 500k to 800k....see how it works.
Once they get in the big league it all changes....but you'd know that from following the Raiders......

Parra, and all clubs get that many watching on TV because TV audiences are mostly made up of neutral viewers lol. Attendance and memberships are really the only valuable metric of a clubs supporter base.

 

[The Great Dane]

I posted a link a few pages back. They want to keep the dolphins brand but not the Redcliffe name, they want to play at Suncorp to broaden their appeal with one or two games at Dolphin oval. The bid seems very much geared towards being Brisbane 2 and utilising Suncorp which is a good idea and what the NRL wants from a second Brisbane team.

They want to split their games between three stadiums, Suncorp, Dolphin Stadium, and Sunshine coast stadium. Two of those three stadiums have capacities under 20k (Ds will have a capacity of 11.5k), and I'm pretty sure that they have said that they want to play as many as three or four games a Dolphin Oval in the past.

 

[mongoose]

Parra, and all clubs get that many watching on TV because TV audiences are mostly made up of neutral viewers lol. Attendance and memberships are really the only valuable metric of a clubs supporter base.

not true

i don't attend Raiders games and i don't have a membership this year (it didn't make the budget cut) but I would still consider myself a supporter.

 

[greenBV4]

They want to split their games between three stadiums, Suncorp, Dolphin Stadium, and Sunshine coast stadium. Two of those three stadiums have capacities under 20k (Ds will have a capacity of 11.5k), and I'm pretty sure that they have said that they want to play as many as three or four games a Dolphin Oval in the past.

Not based on their most recent statements, they made it quite clear that Suncorp will be the main stadium, with the training base plus maybe the odd game at Redcliffe, no mention of the SC

The main advocates for Redcliffe to remain Redcliffe-focused and or split games with the sunshine coast are on here, it seems the club knows what they need to do and be

 

[LeagueXIII]

Parra, and all clubs get that many watching on TV because TV audiences are mostly made up of neutral viewers lol. Attendance and memberships are really the only valuable metric of a clubs supporter base.

However TV drives sport and has a greater reach...popular clubs get on TV more....thus attract bigger sponors etc etc.
For example Friday night TV prefers clubs with large followings not small ones like penrith and cronulla.
True a club would love to turn these people into members and that's the hardest thing because rugby league supporters are very passive.

 

[Pippen94]

Parra, and all clubs get that many watching on TV because TV audiences are mostly made up of neutral viewers lol. Attendance and memberships are really the only valuable metric of a clubs supporter base.

No - biggest source of revenue are broadcast deals. Without big Sydney clubs & rivalries league wouldn't exist.

 

[mongoose]

I posted a link a few pages back. They want to keep the dolphins brand but not the Redcliffe name, they want to play at Suncorp to broaden their appeal with one or two games at Dolphin oval. The bid seems very much geared towards being Brisbane 2 and utilising Suncorp which is a good idea and what the NRL wants from a second Brisbane team.

that's all well and good but I hope they want to really challenge the Broncos to be the number 1 team in town, not just be a little brother who Broncos fans follow as a second team. Might not matter though, Titans could become the premier south east QLD team in a few years....

 

[LeagueXIII]

If it's so f**king obvious then why are suggesting that there must be a significant amount of support for the Dolphins outside of Redcliffe simply because they've been around for a long time?

I mean honestly you are the personification of cognitive dissonance.

Chill out mate....just my opinion you don't have to agree but don't throw a hissy fit.
There would be a support base for old brisbane clubs...passive yes...but it would be there...the Brisbane premiership was a big comp.

 

[Pippen94]

Too small compared to what's on offer more centrally, no suitable stadium and wouldn't work playing out of Suncorp, not particularly financially strong, very confused branding, etc, etc.

Could the Western Corridor bid work, hypothetically yes, but they'd need to change all those things and more for it to be a good idea. It'll probably be more realistic to put a club there in a few decades time.

Rich vs poor motif doesn't work with brand new club centrally located. Speaking as somebody from Sydney; there wouldn't be Sydney derby if Wanderers based at sfs or Leichhardt oval.