Redcliffe put their hand up

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

And I think we have hit the biggest problem with this bid! Moreton Bay is too far away from Suncorp, Sunshine Coast is way too far away from Dolphin Oval, The redcliffe immediate region is not big enough to sustain a successful NRL club, Dolphin Oval is not developed nearly enough to be the main stadium for a rival NRl club to the Broncos, trying to please everyone with this bid is going to be a likely disaster. St George in reality hasn't really worked trying to cover two very different regions and no reason to believe a Moreton Bay/Sunshine Coast Dolphins would either. Neither of those areas have modern NRL standard stadiums for starters!

The more I look at it the more the Bombers bid once again becomes the more attractive bid. Focused on reaching as many of the 2.5million people in Brisbane as possible, playing at the States best stadium every game, backed by successful businessmen rather than a pokie club. Take out the crap brand (which can be easily changed) and to me it looks to be by far the best chance of having a club that can rival the Broncos on and off the field and not end up another GC Titans. Where their bid can be strengthened is in both a brand change and in a concerted effort to link with QRL and the Brisbane grass roots clubs in some way. That can offer some level of differentiator from the Broncos culturally.

You do realise the Dolphins bid is lightyears ahead of the West Coast Pirates, yeah?

DOLPHINS ASSETS = $100 MILLION
PIRATES ASSETS = $0

Perth Oval = 2nd rate shithole in need of refurbishment, despite having a half-arsed one not long ago.
Dolphin Oval = Small but has character and similar 'on top of the action' design as Lang Park.

DOLPHINS HISTORY = established 1947, played in the top flight of BRL/QLD Cup since 1960/1996. Plenty of superstars have come from this prestigious club to represent Queensland and Australia, many of them still alive and able to be used for marketing.
PIRATES HISTORY = A decade fielding an underage team in a NSW competition, routinely getting flogged on the field. No one of note has come through this side to become a genuine superstar of RL.

Peter Cumins' business doesn't appear to be going too well. Shares for Cash Converters have gone from being worth over $1 to less than 20c. He's no Twiggy Forrest.

 

[LeagueXIII]

Not based on their most recent statements, they made it quite clear that Suncorp will be the main stadium, with the training base plus maybe the odd game at Redcliffe, no mention of the SC

The main advocates for Redcliffe to remain Redcliffe-focused and or split games with the sunshine coast are on here, it seems the club knows what they need to do and be

Exactly...the reality is alot of people like myself respect the connection to tradition and the continuity that it gives to our great game yet the reality is we know unfortunately the game will sell out to marketing and branding....we just hope the name isnt too tacky.

 

[Pippen94]

The other thing peole tend to forget is the NRL has yet to officially call for bids to come forward.
If/when they did we would likely see other Brombers-like bids coming forward that might have these points of differences.

I still do like the Dolphins brand though, it'd be a popular marketable mascot, and would add a red team into the sea of blue - the issue is that they don't know who to represent - or maybe that only comes across like that becuase of people opinions in here

From the majority of things Ive read - they are likely going to go with Brisbane or SQ Dolphins, with most games at Suncorp, training base at redcliffe with the odd game there, the SC thing may have been mentioned in a throw away once but I dont think thats what they are focusing on (and this is a good thing)

Dolphins can work with a city-wide branding and HERITAGE links to redcliffe through their training base and feeder club, but theres no reason they cant draw fans city-wide with the right marketing

tldr
The Redcliffe bid has no intention of just being Redcliffe, nor even just Moreton Bay, they will go with a city wide branding, they also will not be focusing on the Sunshine Coast besides maybe the odd 1 game a season.

No they intend to play some games at DO & SC throughout season. Plus surveying region about name

 

[LeagueXIII]

I think Brisbane should be looking at 3 clubs long term...one either side of the river and Redcliffe reaching up to the SC.
East Brisbane Tigers backed by Eastern suburbs brisbane

 

[T-Boon]

Mate, nobody gives a f**k about anything outside of the top tier in Australian sport.

I'd be massively surprised if they average over a few hundred at their games.

GPS rugby gets big crowds.

 

[greenBV4]

No they intend to play some games at DO & SC throughout season. Plus surveying region about name

Happy to be wrong but do you have a recent article to back that up?

 

[LeagueXIII]

You do realise the Dolphins bid is lightyears ahead of the West Coast Pirates, yeah?

DOLPHINS ASSETS = $100 MILLION
PIRATES ASSETS = $0

Perth Oval = 2nd rate shithole in need of refurbishment, despite having a galf-arsed one not long ago.
Dolphin Oval = Small but has character and similar 'on top of the action' design as Lang Park.

DOLPHINS HISTORY = established 1947, played in the top flight of BRL/QLD Cup since 1960/1996. Plenty of superstars have come from this prestigious club to represent Queensland and Australia, many of them still alive and able to be used for marketing.
PIRATES HISTORY = A decade fielding an underage team in a NSW competition, routinely getting flogged on the field. No one of note has come through this side to become a genuine superstar of RL.

Peter Cumins' business doesn't appear to be going to well. Shares for Cash Converters have gone from being worth over $1 to less than 20c. He's no Twiggy Forrest.

Redcliffe are a famous club....the great Arthur Beetson was in their maiden premiership in 1965.
Plenty of origin players...ribot...Fullerton Smith....Murray...conescu...etc etc
Petro came from there.

 

[Pippen94]

Happy to be wrong but do you have a recent article to back that up?

Tried to find it before post but couldn't. Its from memory but yeah I don't have link to back up

 

[adamkungl]

Any plan that involves adding more suburban teams to the comp is nothing more than delusion.
Neither Dolphin Park or Sunshine Coast Stadium have the capacity for more than 1-2 games a year.
Dolphins bid only has potential if they play out of Suncorp and aim to pull fans from the entire Brisbane and SEQ region. The Redcliffe part adds financial backing and historical links.

We need suburban clubs to grow outside their boundaries, not to add more suburban clubs.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Canberra's Population
426,700 (2019)

Moreton Bay's Population
425,300 (2016)

"The estimated resident population in the Moreton Bay area in 2016 was 438,000 persons, the third largest local government population in Queensland and Australia (following Brisbane and the Gold Coast). The region is also one of the fastest growing areas in Queensland."
https://www.bing.com/search?q=Moreton Bay population&qs=n&form=QBRE&scope=web&pc=EMMX20&sp=-1&pq=moreton bay population&sc=5-22&sk=&cvid=5EA4CCEF1E5F4F7D94F32DEFA55DBD12

https://www.bing.com/search?q=canbe...A4C1412E5E47C8914E1DFB1833AF0B&FORM=QBRE&sp=1

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Redcliffe are a famous club....the great Arthur Beetson was in their maiden premiership in 1965.
Plenty of origin players...ribot...Fullerton Smith....Murray...conescu...etc etc
Petro came from there.

Danny Nutley also came through the ranks at Redcliffe.

 

[adamkungl]

Canberra's Population
426,700 (2019)

Moreton Bay's Population
425,300 (2016)

"The estimated resident population in the Moreton Bay area in 2016 was 438,000 persons, the third largest local government population in Queensland and Australia (following Brisbane and the Gold Coast). The region is also one of the fastest growing areas in Queensland."
https://www.bing.com/search?q=Moreton Bay population&qs=n&form=QBRE&scope=web&pc=EMMX20&sp=-1&pq=moreton bay population&sc=5-22&sk=&cvid=5EA4CCEF1E5F4F7D94F32DEFA55DBD12

https://www.bing.com/search?q=canbe...A4C1412E5E47C8914E1DFB1833AF0B&FORM=QBRE&sp=1

Canberra is the capital city of the country, with national and international recognition.
And has a suitable stadium, with (supposed) plans for a better one in the city central.
Get a 25,000 seat modern stadium similar to Robina and the need to play at Suncorp disappears.
They would still be silly to brand themselves as a suburban team rather than South Queensland.

 

[Pippen94]

Canberra is the capital city of the country, with national and international recognition.
And has a suitable stadium, with (supposed) plans for a better one in the city central.
Get a 25,000 seat modern stadium similar to Robina and the need to play at Suncorp disappears.
They would still be silly to brand themselves as a suburban team rather than South Queensland.

Stop trolling

 

[Pippen94]

Canberra's Population
426,700 (2019)

Moreton Bay's Population
425,300 (2016)

"The estimated resident population in the Moreton Bay area in 2016 was 438,000 persons, the third largest local government population in Queensland and Australia (following Brisbane and the Gold Coast). The region is also one of the fastest growing areas in Queensland."
https://www.bing.com/search?q=Moreton Bay population&qs=n&form=QBRE&scope=web&pc=EMMX20&sp=-1&pq=moreton bay population&sc=5-22&sk=&cvid=5EA4CCEF1E5F4F7D94F32DEFA55DBD12

https://www.bing.com/search?q=canbe...A4C1412E5E47C8914E1DFB1833AF0B&FORM=QBRE&sp=1

With an estimated operating budget of A$391 million and a 2018 population of 459,585, Moreton Bay Regionis the third largest local government area in Australia behind the City of Brisbane and City of Gold Coast, both of which are also amalgamated entities.

 

[adamkungl]

If they're such a big shot city, get a decent stadium as part of the bid.

 

[mongoose]

Moreton Bay lol, it's an LGA that means nothing to most people. A bunch of random suburbs some government officer drew a circle around. I would avoid branding a team as Moreton Bay... Brisbane or South QLD Dolphins is definitely better.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Canberra is the capital city of the country, with national and international recognition.
And has a suitable stadium, with (supposed) plans for a better one in the city central.
Get a 25,000 seat modern stadium similar to Robina and the need to play at Suncorp disappears.
They would still be silly to brand themselves as a suburban team rather than South Queensland.

I'm yet to meet a person who calls themselves a South Queenslander. No one has ever told me they live in South Queensland. I've never told anyone that I live in South Queensland.

Canberra is the national capital, but they struggle to attract sponsors because no one wants to watch them and the networks don't want to televise them. The only reason Huawei sponsor them is because they got rejected by the Federal Gov.

 

[LeagueXIII]

Any plan that involves adding more suburban teams to the comp is nothing more than delusion.
Neither Dolphin Park or Sunshine Coast Stadium have the capacity for more than 1-2 games a year.
Dolphins bid only has potential if they play out of Suncorp and aim to pull fans from the entire Brisbane and SEQ region. The Redcliffe part adds financial backing and historical links.

We need suburban clubs to grow outside their boundaries, not to add more suburban clubs.

No one is adding a small suburban club run by volunteers and playing infront of 500.
Calling them that creates a negative perception.
However you play at Suncorp v the Broncos in a competitive game with 40.000 and with plenty of media coverage and suddenly that little suburban club as you say looks big time and attractive which people want to follow. The little kid at Hervey bay likes their colours style of football and their flying Fijian winger and picks them as his team his dad reconnects because Redcliffe were his team as a kid. Doesn't matter he lives over 3hrs away.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Easts Roosters are a small suburban club without juniors.

 

[adamkungl]

No one is adding a small suburban club run by volunteers and playing infront of 500.
Calling them that creates a negative perception.
However you play at Suncorp v the Broncos in a competitive game with 40.000 and with plenty of media coverage and suddenly that little suburban club as you say looks big time and attractive which people want to follow. The little kid at Hervey bay likes their colours style of football and their flying Fijian winger and picks them as his team his dad reconnects because Redcliffe were his team as a kid. Doesn't matter he lives over 3hrs away.

I'm all for that.
South Queensland Dolphins at Suncorp for most of the year is a great bid, as I've said in this thread.

Redcliffe Dolphins playing in front of sub 10k crowds at a local park will make Manly and Cronulla look like the Broncos.