Redcliffe put their hand up

[Perth Red]

The other big question is will the fans from their own region travel 40km to Suncorp to watch them on a Thursday or Friday evening? If they are aiming to mainly attract people from Moreton bay region then is playing at Suncorp going to be viable as that is what the nrl wants.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

I'm not totally against the Dolphins, i just have some questions...

Aesthetically they are an appealing brand and they have historical ties to Brisbane.
They appear to have strong financials

My questions are that:
Will people from other areas of Brisbane support them, particularly south of the river?
Do we want people Brisbane and south east QLD wide supporting them? I would think yes

How many games do they plan to play at Redcliffe?
It's a long trip to Redcliffe from most areas of Brisbane. If you are driving from south of the river then you most likely have to use a toll road. Redcliffe does have a train station (Kippa Ring) but its an hour trip from the CBD.
You are potentially restricting your fanbase to the peninsula area and suburbs in the north east, is this a smart move?

They appear to have strong financials but are we entering another team that relies heavily on Leagues club pokie machine money?

All good points.

I think Moreton Bay and Sunshine Coast is a large enough area and far enough away from Brisbane to warrant having its own team. It's unlikely to appeal to people south of the river, but it will provide 700,000 people who live in Moreton Bay and Sunshine Coast an opportunity to attend matches in their area.

South-eastern Brisbane does need a team of its own, but we can wait 5 or 10 years.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

The other big question is will the fans from their own region travel 40km to Suncorp to watch them on a Thursday or Friday evening? If they are aiming to mainly attract people from Moreton bay region then is playing at Suncorp going to be viable as that is what the nrl wants.

You make a great point. I would have them play at Dolphin Oval and Sunshine Coast Stadium for this reason, with Sunday arvo games at Lang Park against Broncos, Titans, Cowboys and Storm.

 

[greenBV4]

All good points.

I think Moreton Bay and Sunshine Coast is a large enough area and far enough away from Brisbane to warrant having its own team. It's unlikely to appeal to people south of the river, but it will provide 700,000 people who live in Moreton Bay and Sunshine Coast an opportunity to attend matches in their area.

South-eastern Brisbane does need a team of its own, but we can wait 5 or 10 years.

But the Dolphins are planning to play most games at Suncorp? this would be a bit far if the majority of their fans were only located in the Moreton Bay council area wouldnt it?

The Dolphins intend to play most of their games out of Suncorp Stadium with the new stadium to host a couple of games a year and to serve as the main training field for the NRL side.

https://www.nrl.com/news/2020/09/22/dolphins-bid-nrl-ready-with-new-stadium-complete/

edit: just saw your message above - either way the Dolphin's themselves are looking to play most games at suncorp, as they know this is what the NRL wants from a second team

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

I think what this situation has exposed is the furphy that Greater Brisbane can be covered with just 2 teams. It will need at least 3, ideally 4, with teams playing out of local boutique stadia so people from all over the area can regularly attend matches.

One of the most often-raised points on here is Redcliffe cannot play at their own ground because it will be too hard for people from City of Brisbane to travel. The other side of that is it's too hard for people from Moreton Bay and Sunshine Coast to travel to Lang Park, especially on a Friday night. There are over 700,000 people in Moreton Bay and Sunshine Coast. That's almost twice as many as Canberra.

Why lock out over 700,000 from RL heartland in Moreton Bay/Sunshine Coast when only 400,000 from non-RL Canberra have a team?

It's a massive double standard and makes no sense.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

But the Dolphins are planning to play most games at Suncorp? this would be a bit far if the majority of their fans were only located in the Moreton Bay council area wouldnt it?


https://www.nrl.com/news/2020/09/22/dolphins-bid-nrl-ready-with-new-stadium-complete/

edit: just saw your message above - either way the Dolphin's themselves are looking to play most games at suncorp, as they know this is what the NRL wants from a second team

The NRL are idiots then, aren't they?

They need to realise that not everyone lives in the City of Brisbane and it's a bastard to get in and out of for those who live in Moreton Bay, Sunshine Coast, Redland, Logan and Ipswich.

If they want a Lang Park team then add Easts, but allow them to call themselves the Brisbane Tigers and let Wests Magpies be the Wests Magpies.

 

[LeagueXIII]

I said a long time ago...nrl should be going to a conference style nfl competition instead of squeezing all these potential new areas into a 16 or 18 team competition.
Grow the game.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

I said a long time ago...nrl should be going to a conference style nfl competition instead of squeezing all these potential new areas into a 16 or 18 team competition.
Grow the game.

I like this idea. 20 or 24 teams, covering the heartlands and expansion areas, would be better for all involved.

 

[MugaB]

I like this idea. 20 or 24 teams, covering the heartlands and expansion areas, would be better for all involved.

We had 24 teams, time to take over the world!!!! And add the East Coast (redcliffe) Dolphins

 

[LeagueXIII]

Correct, but we'll start locally first.

 

[Mr Angry]

If there's a club worthy of being admitted into the NRL, it's the Redcliffe Dolphins.

And if disagree, perhaps this picture of Japanese Pop Star Sakura Miyawaki will convince you otherwise.

You're welcome.

Would sponsor a feed and a scholarship.

 

[Perth Red]

And I think we have hit the biggest problem with this bid! Moreton Bay is too far away from Suncorp, Sunshine Coast is way too far away from Dolphin Oval, The redcliffe immediate region is not big enough to sustain a successful NRL club, Dolphin Oval is not developed nearly enough to be the main stadium for a rival NRl club to the Broncos, trying to please everyone with this bid is going to be a likely disaster. St George in reality hasn't really worked trying to cover two very different regions and no reason to believe a Moreton Bay/Sunshine Coast Dolphins would either. Neither of those areas have modern NRL standard stadiums for starters!

The more I look at it the more the Bombers bid once again becomes the more attractive bid. Focused on reaching as many of the 2.5million people in Brisbane as possible, playing at the States best stadium every game, backed by successful businessmen rather than a pokie club. Take out the crap brand (which can be easily changed) and to me it looks to be by far the best chance of having a club that can rival the Broncos on and off the field and not end up another GC Titans. Where their bid can be strengthened is in both a brand change and in a concerted effort to link with QRL and the Brisbane grass roots clubs in some way. That can offer some level of differentiator from the Broncos culturally.

 

[mongoose]

Yeah Sunshine Coast and "Moreton Bay" are not the same. It's still 45 min from SC to Redcliffe, over an hour from Noosa.

 

[Pippen94]

And I think we have hit the biggest problem with this bid! Moreton Bay is too far away from Suncorp, Sunshine Coast is way too far away from Dolphin Oval, The redcliffe immediate region is not big enough to sustain a successful NRL club, Dolphin Oval is not developed nearly enough to be the main stadium for a rival NRl club to the Broncos, trying to please everyone with this bid is going to be a likely disaster. St George in reality hasn't really worked trying to cover two very different regions and no reason to believe a Moreton Bay/Sunshine Coast Dolphins would either. Neither of those areas have modern NRL standard stadiums for starters!

The more I look at it the more the Bombers bid once again becomes the more attractive bid. Focused on reaching as many of the 2.5million people in Brisbane as possible, playing at the States best stadium every game, backed by successful businessmen rather than a pokie club. Take out the crap brand (which can be easily changed) and to me it looks to be by far the best chance of having a club that can rival the Broncos on and off the field and not end up another GC Titans. Where their bid can be strengthened is in both a brand change and in a concerted effort to link with QRL and the Brisbane grass roots clubs in some way. That can offer some level of differentiator from the Broncos culturally.

Of course the guy who wants western reds 2.0 is in favor of new Crushers.

The bombers model has never been a success in any league. The most successful 2nd team expansions are based in geography; Fremantle Dockers, Wanderers.
Teams that have failed like Melbourne City & Crushers share same attributes as bombers; no specific fan base or location to represent, corporate with no grass roots. A side like this playing out of Suncorp will just compound lack of difference with Broncos.

Crushers.. I mean Bombers is just repeating past mistake

 

[The Great Dane]

And I think we have hit the biggest problem with this bid! Moreton Bay is too far away from Suncorp, Sunshine Coast is way too far away from Dolphin Oval, The redcliffe immediate region is not big enough to sustain a successful NRL club, Dolphin Oval is not developed nearly enough to be the main stadium for a rival NRl club to the Broncos, trying to please everyone with this bid is going to be a likely disaster. St George in reality hasn't really worked trying to cover two very different regions and no reason to believe a Moreton Bay/Sunshine Coast Dolphins would either. Neither of those areas have modern NRL standard stadiums for starters!

The more I look at it the more the Bombers bid once again becomes the more attractive bid. Focused on reaching as many of the 2.5million people in Brisbane as possible, playing at the States best stadium every game, backed by successful businessmen rather than a pokie club. Take out the crap brand (which can be easily changed) and to me it looks to be by far the best chance of having a club that can rival the Broncos on and off the field and not end up another GC Titans. Where their bid can be strengthened is in both a brand change and in a concerted effort to link with QRL and the Brisbane grass roots clubs in some way. That can offer some level of differentiator from the Broncos culturally.

The problem with the Bombers bid is that they seem determined to try to replicate the Broncos in everyway. They don't want to be the second Brisbane club so much as they want to be the Broncos 2.0., which will only lead to them being seen as a cheap imitation.

Changing their brand to something that doesn't come off so corporate would go a ways to fixing that problem, but really they'd need a stronger point of difference as well, a geographical or cultural divide of some sort. Before you say it I don't think entwining themselves with the QRL is even close to building that point of difference, the only people that care about that sort of stuff are an extreme minority of hardcore fans that are overrepresented on a forum like this.

Maybe go for a Fibros vs Silvertails style class divide, that'd probably work well in a place like Brisbane.

 

[LeagueXIII]

Surely Redcliffe with a long history have supporters outside of Redcliffe? Like the Sydney teams do, St.george for instance have supporters all over the place. They don't all live in Kogarah.
South's play a long way from their home...

 

[mongoose]

And I think we have hit the biggest problem with this bid! Moreton Bay is too far away from Suncorp, Sunshine Coast is way too far away from Dolphin Oval, The redcliffe immediate region is not big enough to sustain a successful NRL club, Dolphin Oval is not developed nearly enough to be the main stadium for a rival NRl club to the Broncos, trying to please everyone with this bid is going to be a likely disaster. St George in reality hasn't really worked trying to cover two very different regions and no reason to believe a Moreton Bay/Sunshine Coast Dolphins would either. Neither of those areas have modern NRL standard stadiums for starters!

The more I look at it the more the Bombers bid once again becomes the more attractive bid. Focused on reaching as many of the 2.5million people in Brisbane as possible, playing at the States best stadium every game, backed by successful businessmen rather than a pokie club. Take out the crap brand (which can be easily changed) and to me it looks to be by far the best chance of having a club that can rival the Broncos on and off the field and not end up another GC Titans. Where their bid can be strengthened is in both a brand change and in a concerted effort to link with QRL and the Brisbane grass roots clubs in some way. That can offer some level of differentiator from the Broncos culturally.

I think the Titans are on the up. They had a rocky 10 years but they have all the ingredients to be a successful club and the 1 thing they have that many clubs don't is a top quality modern stadium.

 

[Pippen94]

Yeah Sunshine Coast and "Moreton Bay" are not the same. It's still 45 min from SC to Redcliffe, over an hour from Noosa.

How far from SC to Suncorp??

 

[The Great Dane]

The most successful 2nd team expansions are based in geography; Fremantle Dockers, Wanderers.

And what do all of those most successful second teams have in common; they all represent large parts of the city and not small glorified suburbs like the clubs you push.

If you want to replicate the WSW or Fremantle then you need to be talking about a large geographical area with a high population, not small areas on the outskirts of the city like Morton Bay or Ipswich.

 

[Pippen94]

The problem with the Bombers bid is that they seem determined to try to replicate the Broncos in everyway. They don't want to be the second Brisbane club so much as they want to be the Broncos 2.0., which will only lead to them being seen as a cheap imitation.

Changing their brand to something that doesn't come off so corporate would go a ways to fixing that problem, but really they'd need a stronger point of difference as well, a geographical or cultural divide of some sort. Before you say it I don't think entwining themselves with the QRL is even close to building that point of difference, the only people that care about that sort of stuff are an extreme minority of hardcore fans that are overrepresented on a forum like this.

Maybe go for a style class divide, that'd probably work well in a place like Brisbane.

You're talking sense - you got corona or just recovered from corona??

Most direct way to replicate Fibros vs Silvertails; admit Western Corridor bid