Redcliffe put their hand up

[adamkungl]

Hence why moving a club that can survive without being needed in its current area, would be the best idea for both the Central Coast or Adelaide etc, and for that club that got moved.

Have you emailed Myer to suggest they move their Centrepoint store to Dubbo?

 

[MugaB]

Have you emailed Myer to suggest they move their Centrepoint store to Dubbo?

If they are run well they should be easily dominate in another city of what 1.5 million in Adelaide, not sure if dubbo is somewhere thats got that amount of population, but i get your point

 

[The Great Dane]

No they don't - this is the most recent article on the issue.

https://www.nrl.com/news/2020/09/22/dolphins-bid-nrl-ready-with-new-stadium-complete/

The Dolphins intend to play most of their games out of Suncorp Stadium with the new stadium (upgraded Dolphin Oval) to host a couple of games a year and to serve as the main training field for the NRL side.

Not based on their most recent statements, they made it quite clear that Suncorp will be the main stadium, with the training base plus maybe the odd game at Redcliffe, no mention of the SC

The main advocates for Redcliffe to remain Redcliffe-focused and or split games with the sunshine coast are on here, it seems the club knows what they need to do and be

Why don't we go to the horse's mouth-

Will the team be playing Home games at Suncorp Stadium?
Suncorp Stadium is one of the best rectangle stadiums in the world and the Dolphins NRL team intend to have Suncorp Stadium as its main HOME ground. This is an important element and consolidates the Dolphins position as Brisbane’s second team. The Dolphins Stadium which holds 10,000 people seated will likely host some games and there is also the potential to look at playing a game at the Sunshine Coast Stadium each season. The Dolphins inclusion into the NRL will ensure that Brisbane has Live NRL Rugby League on offer nearly every week during the NRL Season.

https://www.dolphinsnrl.com.au/credentials/

In a recent article, that I now can't find (I think it's behind a paywall), they were much more assertive that they would be playing games at both Dolphins Stadium and on the Sunshine Coast each season.

The fact that they are playing it a bit coy in their bid material leads me to believe that they know that both DS and SCS aren't even close to NRL standard, particularly DS, but they still fully intend to use them if they get the nod.

 

[The Great Dane]

not true

i don't attend Raiders games and i don't have a membership this year (it didn't make the budget cut) but I would still consider myself a supporter.

Case in point on why the clubs shouldn't give a f**k about the number of 'supporters' they have, and should only care about how many paying customers they have.

 

[The Great Dane]

Chill out mate....just my opinion you don't have to agree but don't throw a hissy fit.
There would be a support base for old brisbane clubs...passive yes...but it would be there...the Brisbane premiership was a big comp.

This isn't a subjective matter, so it doesn't matter what your opinion is, it matters if it's true or not, and your 'opinion' is built on nothing but how you wish things to be.
You (and most of the people in this thread) started with the conclusion that an old BRL/QRL brand is the best way to go, because for whatever reasons (it differs depending on the person) you wish it to be true, and now you are working backwards and trying to find a way to justify that opinion logically.

And it's basically impossible to have a serious conversation with you because you'll say one thing, be caught on that thing, then flip to something else that contradicts the first thing. You've done it at least two or three times now.

BTW, the BRL was a big comp the better part of 40 years ago. Lets be real here how many people outside of each club's direct area are still kicking around as big fans of the clubs these days; if a measurable amount at all are still kicking around it wouldn't enough to come close to financially supporting an NRL club, and many of them would have already been supporting other NRL clubs for decades now.

 

[Perth Red]

The only real reason I could see why the nrl will go for the dolphins, or any bid for that matter, is financial security. End of day nrl is an incredibly conservative organisation and having been badly burnt with Titans will pick the bid that gives them the most confidence that they can generate the revenue to be successful and have some reserves available if things go a bit pear shaped, as the nrl has not planned for expansion it doesn’t have start up funds or bail out funds set aside to help a new club.
Whichever bid gives the nrl the most confidence about financial security will win, doesn’t matter if its new or heritage, existing nrl club or not. That’s the simple reality of the situation. Not that I think the nrl is going to introduce another mouth to feed any time soon.

 

[mongoose]

Case in point on why the clubs shouldn't give a f**k about the number of 'supporters' they have, and should only care about how many paying customers they have.

Maybe but if "supporters" are paying for Fox or Kayo subscriptions then that is still money going back to the clubs. That's why saying things like getting rid of Manly you will only lose 11k fans from the game is bullshit. There would be another 20-30k Manly supporters who subscribe to Fox, probably another 30k who are not engaged much at all but will watch Origin, finals and grand final and maybe the occasional Manly game on 9. They might check NRL.com every week as well. Depending on definition of a supporter it could very will be up around 100k for those smaller clubs. The NRL would be reluctant to lose those people, it's not just 11,000. Of course a team in Perth will still offer much more upside but getting rid of a small Sydney team isn't so cut and dry...

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Maybe but if "supporters" are paying for Fox or Kayo subscriptions then that is still money going back to the clubs. That's why saying things like getting rid of Manly you will only lose 11k fans from the game is bullshit. There would be another 20-30k Manly supporters who subscribe to Fox, probably another 30k who are not engaged much at all but will watch Origin, finals and grand final and maybe the occasional Manly game on 9. They might check NRL.com every week as well. Depending on definition of a supporter it could very will be up around 100k for those smaller clubs. The NRL would be reluctant to lose those people, it's not just 11,000. Of course a team in Perth will still offer much more upside but getting rid of a small Sydney team isn't so cut and dry...

This is the best post you've made.

 

[LeagueXIII]

This isn't a subjective matter, so it doesn't matter what your opinion is, it matters if it's true or not, and your 'opinion' is built on nothing but how you wish things to be.
You (and most of the people in this thread) started with the conclusion that an old BRL/QRL brand is the best way to go, because for whatever reasons (it differs depending on the person) you wish it to be true, and now you are working backwards and trying to find a way to justify that opinion logically.

And it's basically impossible to have a serious conversation with you because you'll say one thing, be caught on that thing, then flip to something else that contradicts the first thing. You've done it at least two or three times now.

BTW, the BRL was a big comp the better part of 40 years ago. Lets be real here how many people outside of each club's direct area are still kicking around as big fans of the clubs these days; if a measurable amount at all are still kicking around it wouldn't enough to come close to financially supporting an NRL club, and many of them would have already been supporting other NRL clubs for decades now.

Stewed on that didn't you.....yes I'm a serial liar, well done you caught me out!!

Actually it was 33 years ago the BRL comp finished before the Broncos came, was that an exaggeration to enhance your point, oops!!!

 

[LeagueXIII]

Maybe but if "supporters" are paying for Fox or Kayo subscriptions then that is still money going back to the clubs. That's why saying things like getting rid of Manly you will only lose 11k fans from the game is bullshit. There would be another 20-30k Manly supporters who subscribe to Fox, probably another 30k who are not engaged much at all but will watch Origin, finals and grand final and maybe the occasional Manly game on 9. They might check NRL.com every week as well. Depending on definition of a supporter it could very will be up around 100k for those smaller clubs. The NRL would be reluctant to lose those people, it's not just 11,000. Of course a team in Perth will still offer much more upside but getting rid of a small Sydney team isn't so cut and dry...

People forget Sydney clubs also attract some out of Sydney clubs bigger crowds when they play away.

 

[T-Boon]

Maybe but if "supporters" are paying for Fox or Kayo subscriptions then that is still money going back to the clubs. That's why saying things like getting rid of Manly you will only lose 11k fans from the game is bullshit. There would be another 20-30k Manly supporters who subscribe to Fox, probably another 30k who are not engaged much at all but will watch Origin, finals and grand final and maybe the occasional Manly game on 9. They might check NRL.com every week as well. Depending on definition of a supporter it could very will be up around 100k for those smaller clubs. The NRL would be reluctant to lose those people, it's not just 11,000. Of course a team in Perth will still offer much more upside but getting rid of a small Sydney team isn't so cut and dry...

that is why relocating weak SYDNEY clubs is the way to go and in some instances a better idea than starting brand new clubs.

 

[taipan]

Well in 1994 (last years as Easts) they avg 11k and last year they avg'd 17k so there you go

In 1994 Easts came 14th on the ladder, in front of GC Seagulls and Tigers. Comparing them with crowds when they are leading the comp is not a, there you go argument.

 

[taipan]

People forget Sydney clubs also attract some out of Sydney clubs bigger crowds when they play away.

And conversely the outer clubs bring few supporters to the Sydney clubs when the latter play at home.
Has to be give and take on both sides.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

I attend Wynnum Manly Seagulls games at Kougari Oval, even though I am from Logan. The club has plenty of loyal fans.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

I don't hate the Broncos, but I'm not a supporter either. I respect that there needs to be more clubs run like they are and as wealthy as they are. If that were the case the NRL would be very healthy.

As someone born and raised in Brisbane I can agree with this sentiment though. I have no connection to Redcliffe, Ipswich, Easts or any other QLD Cup club but I too would jump at the chance to support a second Brisbane club no matter which one it was, a brand with history and tradition in the QRL in my eyes as a supporter would be ideal.

I know it's not everyone's idea of the best solution but I'm a life-long Brisbane RL supporter not associated with the Broncos and I'm sure I'm not the only one that sees it that way.

I reckon a BRL team north of Bris, one west of Bris and one south of Bris by 2050 being the best fit for Brisbane. Could end up with something like North Brisbane Dolphins (Norths and Redcliffe), Western Brisbane Jets (Ipswich and Wests) and South Brisbane Scorpions (Logan and Souths). Get rid of the Donkeys and there can be an East Coast Seagulls. (Wynnum and Easts).

 

[greenBV4]

Get rid of the Donkeys

 

[Perth Red]

Let’s see if Brisbane2 does anything before getting excited about 3&4 lol. Last thing we’d want is another Sydney over saturation situation whilst other major cities in Australia and NZ have zero presence.

 

[greenBV4]

Let’s see if Brisbane2 does anything before getting excited about 3&4 lol. Last thing we’d want is another Sydney over saturation situation whilst other major cities in Australia and NZ have zero presence.

Most would agree there is too many teams in Sydney (but just cant agree which teams to go, or how to remedy that, so are just happy with the status quo)
and if you were setting up a new comp from scratch you would probably only have 4 or 5 teams in Sydney metro

so why would we have 4 teams in a city with less than half the population

 

[Perth Red]

Most would agree there is too many teams in Sydney (but just cant agree which teams to go, or how to remedy that, so are just happy with the status quo)
and if you were setting up a new comp from scratch you would probably only have 4 or 5 teams in Sydney metro

so why would we have 4 teams in a city with half the population

we wouldn’t, and we won’t.

 

[greenBV4]

we wouldn’t, and we won’t.

4 in SEQ yes, including the titans and a team on the Sunshine Coast down the line, but 4 from just Brisbane is rediculous