Redcliffe put their hand up

[Santino Patane]

You cannot catch a bus from outside of Brisbane City Council to watch a game at Lang Park. All of the shuttle buses that travel into Lang Park only service the BCC area. The southernmost stop is Eight Mile Plains. Even if the Logan City Council allowed free travel on their buses to Eight Mile Plains for people who have a Broncos ticket, and I have no idea if they do, there are so few services run by the LCC at 11pm that people could get stranded. Tonight there are only 3 services from the 555 line after 10pm.

https://jp.translink.com.au/plan-your-journey/timetables/bus/t/555/outbound/2021-04-01

https://translink.com.au/plan-your-journey/event-transport/suncorp-shuttle-buses

Update:

Free bus travel is not offered by Redlands City Council, Logan Council, Ipswich City Council or Moreton Bay Regional Council.

* Free travel on all Queensland Rail City Network Trains (excludes AirTrain) and Brisbane Transport Buses.

https://www.suncorpstadiummembers.com.au/handbook/417-2/​

It’s all done through TransLink, not the councils mate. Plus don’t forget the Busway is being extended through to Springwood first, then to the Hyperdome eventually. Also, Logan is well served by trains.

 

[Vee]

Well apparently so was moreton bay, so GROTD has mentioned

We're going to take GROTD's word for it?

 

[Vee]

How do fans from Logan, Ipswich, Morton bay get to Broncos games?!

Commercial in confidence.

 

[The Great Dane]

It's good to know something about something which you don't.

Lol nah.

Yankees based in Bronx. Mets set up in queens & fan base is mainly around there & long island. The two Manchester soccer teams were created in different parts of city & even to this day this is reflected in fan maps.

Every club has to be based somewhere, but just because you are based somewhere doesn't mean that is all you represent.

Take the Broncos; they are based in Red Hill, but no rational person would ever suggest that they only represent Red Hill and surrounding suburbs.
Well that's the same of all the Yankees, Mets, Utd, City, Lakers, and Clippers. Yankees and Mets appeal spreads to all of New York state, and beyond if we are honest. Utd and City hold mass appeal across large parts of Greater Manchester and beyond.

But again you have missed the point of the original argument.

Nobody has said that geographical differences between the clubs are bad, only that the clubs have to be able to represent significant geographical areas within the city (and a significant portion of the population to go along with it), and as they are currently set up Redcliffe isn't capable of that.

The Clippers in NBA is a bit different as fans follow players as much as teams but they may not be a bigger gap between two teams in same city in regards to support, profile & success. If Brisbane 2 get compared to Clippers they've failed.

The Clippers are in the top ten most valuable NBA clubs (number 6 to be precise), yes they have struggled in recent times but that has largely been because of ownership issues and poor decisions made by said owners.
Yes there is a gap between them and the Lakers, however the Lakers are one of, if not the most recognisable Basketball team in the world. So relative to the Lakers the Clippers aren't so great, but that's like saying that relative to a God, Hercules isn't that great.

So they aren't on the Lakers level, but they are still one of the most successful basketball teams in the world, and if the second Brisbane team could be the Clippers to the Broncos Lakers we'd be doing very well.

 

[The Great Dane]

Nothing like that. Raiders set to represent whole of Canberra. Dolphins will represent Morton Bay & north. Dolphins only ever pro sports team in history of that region.

I know, that's what I've been saying all along.

And that fact that they will be a Morton Bay club (probably not even that frankly), is exactly why they shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the license unless they agree to massive changes.

The NRL doesn't need a Morton Bay club, or just any club from Brisbane, it needs a Brisbane club, and as you yourself have just admitted, the Dolphins aren't a Brisbane club.

 

[The Great Dane]

Train would probably be the best option. I live in the northern suburbs of Logan, so I drive to Eight Mile Plains Busway and0 catch the free shuttle bus. I was talking to a local resident about this last fortnight. She said she no longer goes to Lang Park as there's not enough parking at Eight Mile Plains Busway and it takes too long getting to and from Lang Park. It's the same reason I gave up going and just attend Queensland Cup games.

So you are saying it's so hard to get from Logan to Suncorp that you and other people you know have basically given up, and presumably it's a similar situation in the other out regions of Brisbane, yet we should still have teams representing those regions playing out of Suncorp?

You do realise that that is utterly batshit logic right?

 

[Perth Red]

High enough to make the Roar take their games to Dolphin Stadium.

the roar avg less than 10k (and have lost an avg 2k fans a game moving to Redcliffe this year so far) , is that really the bar for a new nrl club lol?

 

[MugaB]

the roar avg less than 10k (and have lost an avg 2k fans a game moving to Redcliffe this year so far) , is that really the bar for a new nrl club lol?

A-league in every city is not much of a barr to clear, brisbane as a city aren't diehard soccer fans, Melbourne is moreso soccer friendly

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

So you are saying it's so hard to get from Logan to Suncorp that you and other people you know have basically given up, and presumably it's a similar situation in the other out regions of Brisbane, yet we should still have teams representing those regions playing out of Suncorp?

You do realise that that is utterly batshit logic right?

I've said that boutique stadiums should be created in Logan and Moreton Bay, so you've got that wrong by a country mile.

If Easts were given the licence their fanbase would extend from the inner southeastern suburbs of Brisbane through to the southeastern suburbs of Logan. That's a large catchment. Not all people could go to all Lang Park games, but those who can't should be able to get to a few and support the club through memberships.

We're going to take GROTD's word for it?

On the 23rd October 1823 Oxley left Sydney in search of new settlement and surveys Moreton Bay on the 25th November of that year. On 12th September 1824, Moreton Bay Settlement was established and the location of Humpybong, Redcliffe had been chosen as the site, but proved to be infested with malarial mosquitoes and difficult to defend.​

https://www.brisbanehistory.com/convict_era.html#:~:text=On the 23rd October 1823 Oxley left Sydney,infested with malarial mosquitoes and difficult to defend.​

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

It’s all done through TransLink, not the councils mate. Plus don’t forget the Busway is being extended through to Springwood first, then to the Hyperdome eventually. Also, Logan is well served by trains.

I didn't know that about TransLink. They're busy building the Springwood extention right now. They've already started work on Springwood Rd/Rochedale Rd

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

the roar avg less than 10k (and have lost an avg 2k fans a game moving to Redcliffe this year so far) , is that really the bar for a new nrl club lol?

Fair point. Selling out Dolphin Stadium would most likely lead to the reconstruction of a grandstand to boost capacity. I don't know how sturdy the foundations are, but if they're strong enough then I cannot see why a 2nd tier cannot be built on top of the existing stands. A ground with a capacity of 18k - 20k would provide a great atmosphere and cater to fans.

 

[Perth Red]

Fair point. Selling out Dolphin Stadium would most likely lead to the reconstruction of a grandstand to boost capacity. I don't know how sturdy the foundations are, but if they're strong enough then I cannot see why a 2nd tier cannot be built on top of the existing stands. A ground with a capacity of 18k - 20k would provide a great atmosphere and cater to fans.

Problem is the rake is prettly shallow so second tier would be miles away from the pitch. Second problem is corporate sales facilities. It has hardly any (just a couple of boxes in the stand with half a roof, and they are very expensive to builders. Lastly there is literally no cover over any of the stands. A rainy game will see sub 4k crowds turning up! nrl will not, or should not, allow a 12k stadium with only10k seats and none of them under cover, to be used for regular nrl games. It demeans the whole comp.

 

[The Great Dane]

I've said that boutique stadiums should be created in Logan and Moreton Bay, so you've got that wrong by a country mile.

If Easts were given the licence their fanbase would extend from the inner southeastern suburbs of Brisbane through to the southeastern suburbs of Logan. That's a large catchment.

I haven't got it wrong at all.

Your plan is what it's always been; to turn Brisbane into a mini version of Sydney with shitbox suburban teams, playing in shitbox suburban stadiums, in front of shitbox crowds.

It doesn't work in Sydney, it didn't work in Melbourne, and it won't work in Brisbane.
Frankly it's not even expansion. It's an attempt to regress to "glory days" that were a product of their time and thus can never be replicated, and were never that glorious to begin with.

You are no different than the dozens of delusional Bears fans that I personally know, whom think if the Bears were brought back as they were that they'd be one of the most successful clubs in the league on the back of tens of thousands of fans coming out of the woodworks just to experience an overpriced beer and a cold pie on the hill at NS Oval one more time.

Not all people could go to all Lang Park games, but those who can't should be able to get to a few and support the club through memberships.

You know how you fix that problem?

You create a club that is targeted at the largest potential audience as feasibly possible, then you play in the stadium that is the easiest for the majority of your potential fan base to attend.

In other words you create a club with broad appeal across Brisbane and play all their games in a large central stadium with the best public transport links in the city (in this case Suncorp), instead of a club from a glorified outer suburb playing most of their games tens of kilometers away from their supposed home.

 

[The Great Dane]

Problem is the rake is prettly shallow so second tier would be miles away from the pitch. Second problem is corporate sales facilities. It has hardly any (just a couple of boxes in the stand with half a roof, and they are very expensive to builders. Lastly there is literally no cover over any of the stands. A rainy game will see sub 4k crowds turning up! nrl will not, or should not, allow a 12k stadium with only10k seats and none of them under cover, to be used for regular nrl games. It demeans the whole comp.

I can't imagine that the media facilities at Dolphin Oval would be great either, which would be another hurdle.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

I haven't got it wrong at all.

Your plan is what it's always been; to turn Brisbane into a mini version of Sydney with shitbox suburban teams, playing in shitbox suburban stadiums, in front of shitbox crowds.

It doesn't work in Sydney, it didn't work in Melbourne, and it won't work in Brisbane.
Frankly it's not even expansion. It's an attempt to regress to "glory days" that were a product of their time and thus can never be replicated, and were never that glorious to begin with.

You are no different than the dozens of delusional Bears fans that I personally know, whom think if the Bears were brought back as they were that they'd be one of the most successful clubs in the league on the back of tens of thousands of fans coming out of the woodworks just to experience an overpriced beer and a cold pie on the hill at NS Oval one more time.

You know how you fix that problem?

You create a club that is targeted at the largest potential audience as feasibly possible, then you play in the stadium that is the easiest for the majority of your potential fan base to attend.

In other words you create a club with broad appeal across Brisbane and play all their games in a large central stadium with the best public transport links in the city (in this case Suncorp), instead of a club from a glorified outer suburb playing most of their games tens of kilometers away from their supposed home.

Having two teams called Brisbane doesn't appeal to me. Other people might like it, but I don't. Moreton Bay (the bay stretching from Moreton Bay Region to Gold Coast) is a popular weekend tourist destination for people from SEQ. Logan connects Brisbane and Gold Coast. The southern outskirts of Logan are growing rapidly and are too far away from Lang Park. Yarrabilba is 30 minutes away from Springwood, which is about 35 minutes away from Lang Park by car and over 60 minutes away by public transport. You cannot drive into Lang Park so that leaves the bus, train or cab.

Latte-sippers and yuppies don't support RL. Inner suburbs of Brisbane is full of latte-sippers and yuppies.

 

[The Great Dane]

Having two teams called Brisbane doesn't appeal to me.

And?

Why do you assume you are representative of the majority or that you are the target audience?
Just because they are creating a second team that doesn't mean that it's in the NRL's best interest to design it to carter specifically to you and/or people like you.

Besides, as long as it appeals to a broad audience they can call the team whatever they damn well please. Nobody said the second team had to be called 'Brisbane'?

If they are smart they'll use the river as the split and the second team will be called something like 'South Brisbane' and effectively represent everything south of the river, and leave everything north of the river to the Broncos.

Other people might like it, but I don't. Moreton Bay (the bay stretching from Moreton Bay Region to Gold Coast) is a popular weekend tourist destination for people from SEQ. Logan connects Brisbane and Gold Coast. The southern outskirts of Logan are growing rapidly and are too far away from Lang Park. Yarrabilba is 30 minutes away from Springwood, which is about 35 minutes away from Lang Park by car and over 60 minutes away by public transport. You cannot drive into Lang Park so that leaves the bus, train or cab.

All great reasons why they shouldn't get an NRL license.

Latte-sippers and yuppies don't support RL. Inner suburbs of Brisbane is full of latte-sippers and yuppies.

You're gatekeeping again.

 

[Perth Red]

Having two teams called Brisbane doesn't appeal to me. Other people might like it, but I don't. Moreton Bay (the bay stretching from Moreton Bay Region to Gold Coast) is a popular weekend tourist destination for people from SEQ. Logan connects Brisbane and Gold Coast. The southern outskirts of Logan are growing rapidly and are too far away from Lang Park. Yarrabilba is 30 minutes away from Springwood, which is about 35 minutes away from Lang Park by car and over 60 minutes away by public transport. You cannot drive into Lang Park so that leaves the bus, train or cab.

Latte-sippers and yuppies don't support RL. Inner suburbs of Brisbane is full of latte-sippers and yuppies.

you keep saying the gap between afl and nrl revenue is down to nrls working class anchor. Maybe appealing to late sippers and yuppies is what the game needs to be doing?

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

And?

Why do you assume you are representative of the majority or that you are the target audience?
Just because they are creating a second team that doesn't mean that it's in the NRL's best interest to design it to carter specifically to you and/or people like you.

Besides, as long as it appeals to a broad audience they can call the team whatever they damn well please. Nobody said the second team had to be called 'Brisbane'?

If they are smart they'll use the river as the split and the second team will be called something like 'South Brisbane' and effectively represent everything south of the river, and leave everything north of the river to the Broncos.

All great reasons why they shouldn't get an NRL license.

You're gatekeeping again.

I actually like the idea of the second Brisbane team calling itself South Brisbane and being based south of the river. It will create a strong rivalry with the Broncos and people who live north of the river. It'll appeal to a large demographic who can identify with the club based on growing up in the working class southern suburbs. People from Logan will be able to identify with it. But I'm confused as to why you're pushing for it when you want the club to appeal broadly to people from all over the city.

How is a team called South Brisbane going to appeal to some one from Nundah or Hendra?

Logan is the polar opposite of the northern suburbs of Brisbane and Gold Coast. It's a growing area and a genuine RL nursery that is increasing its support of the game.
How many other districts in the country can say they've grown player numbers and clubs?
Not many. Fumbleball is aggressively trying to muscle in on it.

Putting a second team in the middle of Brisbane won't lead to more people from that area playing or watching the game.

Melbourne City/Heart did exactly what you're suggesting and have failed miserably. Western Sydney Wanderers did the opposite and succeeded. Man City has always been the poor cousin of Man U. Clippers and Lakers are another example. Having two NFL teams in Los Angeles using that name failed in the 90s.

I like the idea of Moreton Bay and Logan as the 2nd and 3rd clubs because it creates a reenactment of local history that feeds into the tribal nature of sport. Brisbane Broncos vs Brisbane 2 cannot match that. When two clubs have the same name it is hard for newcomers to differentiate between the two brands and, it makes the younger entity look like a rip off. The history of European settlement in SEQ can be used to form allegiances and give RL a massive advantage over its rival codes. Queenslanders are proud people and enjoy their history. Captain Patrick Logan has localities named after him all over southern Brisbane and Moreton is just as well known. You don't understand because you're not from here. This information was taught in schools up here. Local people know it and can identify with it.

 

[Pippen94]

I haven't got it wrong at all.

Your plan is what it's always been; to turn Brisbane into a mini version of Sydney with shitbox suburban teams, playing in shitbox suburban stadiums, in front of shitbox crowds.

It doesn't work in Sydney, it didn't work in Melbourne, and it won't work in Brisbane.
Frankly it's not even expansion. It's an attempt to regress to "glory days" that were a product of their time and thus can never be replicated, and were never that glorious to begin with.

You are no different than the dozens of delusional Bears fans that I personally know, whom think if the Bears were brought back as they were that they'd be one of the most successful clubs in the league on the back of tens of thousands of fans coming out of the woodworks just to experience an overpriced beer and a cold pie on the hill at NS Oval one more time.

You know how you fix that problem?

You create a club that is targeted at the largest potential audience as feasibly possible, then you play in the stadium that is the easiest for the majority of your potential fan base to attend.

In other words you create a club with broad appeal across Brisbane and play all their games in a large central stadium with the best public transport links in the city (in this case Suncorp), instead of a club from a glorified outer suburb playing most of their games tens of kilometers away from their supposed home.

Sydney doesn't work?!
In past decade NRL has been richer than its ever been & that's mainly based on broadcast deal for having numerous high rating games featuring Sydney teams each week.
Does Melbourne work for afl?! That competition has even richer deal & it's not because swans get 29k watching in Sydney.
Maximizing Brisbane market is why second team is happening before anything else & why experts suggest a third is more valuable than Adelaide etc.

Your thinking is from 1997 super league & is all about dots on map. Reality is Storm average under 20k viewers in Melbourne and Perth & Adelaide will average even less.

 

[Pippen94]

And?

Why do you assume you are representative of the majority or that you are the target audience?
Just because they are creating a second team that doesn't mean that it's in the NRL's best interest to design it to carter specifically to you and/or people like you.

Besides, as long as it appeals to a broad audience they can call the team whatever they damn well please. Nobody said the second team had to be called 'Brisbane'?

If they are smart they'll use the river as the split and the second team will be called something like 'South Brisbane' and effectively represent everything south of the river, and leave everything north of the river to the Broncos.

All great reasons why they shouldn't get an NRL license.

You're gatekeeping again.

If ppl want team playing out of Suncorp representing all of Brisbane then there's already Broncos. Model you suggest has never been successful anywhere in the world.

You have 90's mentality of putting teams in rusted on afl cities & thinking audience will equal that of places where ppl follow sport. Idea of Brisbane expansion is straight copy of failed 90's crushers