Redcliffe put their hand up

[mongoose]

If ppl want team playing out of Suncorp representing all of Brisbane then there's already Broncos. Model you suggest has never been successful anywhere in the world.

You have 90's mentality of putting teams in rusted on afl cities & thinking audience will equal that of places where ppl follow sport. Idea of Brisbane expansion is straight copy of failed 90's crushers

If thats a 90s mentality then creating suburban clubs is a 60s mentality lol

The facts are the Broncos are the biggest and most successful team in the NRL. Clubs like Manly and Cronulla have small fan bases and seem to get by on a hand to mouth existence.

So the NRL has an opportunity to put a new team in a city with 2.5 million people that is Rugby League mad, which club should they try an replicate, Broncos or Manly/Cronulla? You're crazy if you think the 2nd option...

 

[Perth Red]

Have to laugh, all the logic for expanding was “it’s criminal there’s not a RL game at Suncorp every weekend”. Now people want to create manly replicas by having teams playing in sht stadiums in outer suburbia watched by less than 10k people! Good old RL fans.

the good news is looks like the bids are sensible and all will call themselves brisbane and play out of Suncorp if they win, making the many months of argument in here pointless lol.

 

[T-Boon]

The thing the new team can do to try to tap into a new area is try to appeal to the upper class of Brisbane rather than just the working/dero class.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

If ppl want team playing out of Suncorp representing all of Brisbane then there's already Broncos. Model you suggest has never been successful anywhere in the world.

You have 90's mentality of putting teams in rusted on afl cities & thinking audience will equal that of places where ppl follow sport. Idea of Brisbane expansion is straight copy of failed 90's crushers

Crushers were never going to work. Kids from a major metropolitan area cannot identify with sugar cane producers because it's something they associate with the country. I don't recall any kids from the school I went to supporting the SQ Crushers. It might have worked for North Queensland or a Central Queensland club. If Rockhampton ever gets a team then Central Crushers would be a decent name.

I think one team in Brisbane's north and one in the south is the way to go, with the Broncos being the central team for the latte-sippers and yuppies.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

If thats a 90s mentality then creating suburban clubs is a 60s mentality lol

The facts are the Broncos are the biggest and most successful team in the NRL. Clubs like Manly and Cronulla have small fan bases and seem to get by on a hand to mouth existence.

So the NRL has an opportunity to put a new team in a city with 2.5 million people that is Rugby League mad, which club should they try an replicate, Broncos or Manly/Cronulla? You're crazy if you think the 2nd option...

If you're against the Broncos but love RL then you're unlikely to support a team that is a poor imitation of the club you hate. Any attempt to be Broncos 2.0 will end up like WCW when it tried to be like WWF. Southern wrestling fans hated it and so did McMahon's fans.

 

[MugaB]

If thats a 90s mentality then creating suburban clubs is a 60s mentality lol

The facts are the Broncos are the biggest and most successful team in the NRL. Clubs like Manly and Cronulla have small fan bases and seem to get by on a hand to mouth existence.

So the NRL has an opportunity to put a new team in a city with 2.5 million people that is Rugby League mad, which club should they try an replicate, Broncos or Manly/Cronulla? You're crazy if you think the 2nd option...

Not sure why folks are shelping Cronulla in with Manly, the shire is huge in terms of both catchment, and junior participation, Manly and the Roosters are the opposite, i would even add St george but having all of the South Coast/Illawarra, pretty much gives St.Merger an exemption, also keeps Southern Sydney locked up as far as rival codes presence.
Its the Northern suburbs of Sydney that needs attention or a Swift Kick up the Ařse, Manly is the only presence there and most of sydney hates them. Which can serve a purpose in the "we all need a villian" in the game, but it does nothing to grow the game from the Harbour to Newcastle, since there isn't a 1st grade side to barrack for or aspoire towards.
Either the Roosters need to take on the area properly effectivly adding "North" to their "Sydney Roosters" or the Bears need to be re-instated in manlys place.. effectively not needing either of the useless bondi gits or asbestos vilians

 

[mongoose]

Crushers were never going to work. Kids from a major metropolitan area cannot identify with sugar cane producers because it's something they associate with the country. I don't recall any kids from the school I went to supporting the SQ Crushers. It might have worked for North Queensland or a Central Queensland club. If Rockhampton ever gets a team then Central Crushers would be a decent name.

I think one team in Brisbane's north and one in the south is the way to go, with the Broncos being the central team for the latte-sippers and yuppies.

I think you are a little too focused on mascots and imaginary borders and class divides. I remember lots of kids jumping on the Crushers bandwagon around 94/95. They marketed themselves very well at the beginning and they had a showbag at the Ekka in 94 that sold really well. They failed because of Super League and the News Broncos didn't want them in the comp, plus they had a shit team from the beginning. They didn't fail because they tried to be the Broncos or because the mascot didn't fit, or because they needed to appeal to this demographic rather than that one. I think their Leagues club was in a bad location but that's not really a big deal.

The Broncos appeal to people in every corner of Brisbane and every class and the 2nd brisbane team should copy that but yes it needs to have a point of difference.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

I think you are a little too focused on mascots and imaginary borders and class divides. I remember lots of kids jumping on the Crushers bandwagon around 94/95. They marketed themselves very well at the beginning and they had a showbag at the Ekka in 94 that sold really well. They failed because of Super League and the News Broncos didn't want them in the comp, plus they had a shit team from the beginning. They didn't fail because they tried to be the Broncos or because the mascot didn't fit, or because they needed to appeal to this demographic rather than that one. I think their Leagues club was in a bad location but that's not really a big deal.

The Broncos appeal to people in every corner of Brisbane and every class and the 2nd brisbane team should copy that but yes it needs to have a point of difference.

I can only go on what I witnessed.

Which side of Brisbane did you live in at the time?

I was on the southside in Easts territory. Broncos were the only club people south of the river cared about. They played their games at Nathan, in Brisbane's south. Crushers were from the northside of town, so they had no support in the south.

Crushers were based in Grange, which was Pastoral Brothers Leprechauns territory. Broncos Leagues was based a stone throw away from at Red Hill. It doesn't surprise me that Pastoral Brothers Leprechauns, Fortitude Valley Diehards and Western Suburbs Panthers were the 3 closest BRL clubs to Broncos Leagues, and all of them went bust.

The other day there was an article saying Crushers was a shit brand that didn't appeal to kids. I've been saying this for years. Everyone knows it was a shit brand. A brand has to be trendy to get kids on board.

 

[Perth Red]

If you're against the Broncos but love RL then you're unlikely to support a team that is a poor imitation of the club you hate. Any attempt to be Broncos 2.0 will end up like WCW when it tried to be like WWF. Southern wrestling fans hated it and so did McMahon's fans.

mu understanding is people are against the broncos because:
1. They didn’t do the right thing by BRL clubs at inception
2. They caused SL
3. They are owned by News ltd who caused SL

any new club isnt going to have that baggage to contend with. People aren’t against broncos because they are called brisbane and play at Suncorp lol.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

mu understanding is people are against the broncos because:
1. They didn’t do the right thing by BRL clubs at inception
2. They caused SL
3. They are owned by News ltd who caused SL

any new club isnt going to have that baggage to contend with. People aren’t against broncos because they are called brisbane and play at Suncorp lol.

Jets is Broncos 2.0. The key figureheads from the Bombers were part of the Thoroughbreds who held sway at Broncos for many years before falling out. Ipswich is full of Broncos fans and the coaching unit at Red Hill grew up in Ipswich. Putting the Jets in will mean the west had 2 clubs and the east has none. At least Easts and Redcliffe represent a different catchment and are therefore bringing new fans to the game.

If you're not living close to Lang Park then why support a team that plays there?

If the club represents the southern side of town or Moreton Bay then that's where it should eventually play its games. I hate the northern side of town.

 

[Perth Red]

Jets is Broncos 2.0. The key figureheads from the Bombers were part of the Thoroughbreds who held sway at Broncos for many years before falling out. Ipswich is full of Broncos fans and the coaching unit at Red Hill grew up in Ipswich. Putting the Jets in will mean the west had 2 clubs and the east has none. At least Easts and Redcliffe represent a different catchment and are therefore bringing new fans to the game.

If you're not living close to Lang Park then why support a team that plays there?

If the club represents the southern side of town or Moreton Bay then that's where it should eventually play its games. I hate the northern side of town.

Brisbane isn’t getting another $300milliion stadium, Suncorp needs more than one RL tenant being one of the best stadiums in the country, any new club has to be able draw a massive fanbase and that is best done from a central location, not out in one direction of the city. Jets is a grassroots club with some very smart and successful businessmen involved. Will be called Brisbane to appeal to whole city, will play out of Suncorp to maximise fan attendance and corporate revenue opportunities. Seems to tick most boxes form where I am sitting. Literally the only thing I’ve heard about in terms of dolphins is nice logo, the fact they’ve got some decent assets and that they have a stadium unsuitable for nrl. What’s their revenue? What’s their profit margin? Who are they trying to appeal to, Brisbane or far northern region? Do they have the cash asset base required for start up and rainy days?

To say fans won’t get behind a Brisbane Jets because they are exactly same as Broncos is nonsense, from a historical reasons for dislike of broncos point of view the two are nothing alike.

 

[Pippen94]

If thats a 90s mentality then creating suburban clubs is a 60s mentality lol

The facts are the Broncos are the biggest and most successful team in the NRL. Clubs like Manly and Cronulla have small fan bases and seem to get by on a hand to mouth existence.

So the NRL has an opportunity to put a new team in a city with 2.5 million people that is Rugby League mad, which club should they try an replicate, Broncos or Manly/Cronulla? You're crazy if you think the 2nd option...

NRL & afl reel in millions off back of suburban clubs in respective cities. Its 90's super league style thinking to believe manufactured teams in non code cities can replace that.

You can't replicate Broncos model because their identity is very much of a one city team. NRL should look at wanderers who matched Sydney FC's attendance & membership in first year. Fremantle has been great success too. What ur suggesting is impossible

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Brisbane isn’t getting another $300milliion stadium, Suncorp needs more than one RL tenant being one of the best stadiums in the country, any new club has to be able draw a massive fanbase and that is best done from a central location, not out in one direction of the city. Jets is a grassroots club with some very smart and successful businessmen involved. Will be called Brisbane to appeal to whole city, will play out of Suncorp to maximise fan attendance and corporate revenue opportunities. Seems to tick most boxes form where I am sitting. Literally the only thing I’ve heard about in terms of dolphins is nice logo, the fact they’ve got some decent assets and that they have a stadium unsuitable for nrl. What’s their revenue? What’s their profit margin? Who are they trying to appeal to, Brisbane or far northern region? Do they have the cash asset base required for start up and rainy days?

To say fans won’t get behind a Brisbane Jets because they are exactly same as Broncos is nonsense, from a historical reasons for dislike of broncos point of view the two are nothing alike.

West Coast Eagles
Fremantle Dockers
Adelaide Crows
Port Adelaide Power

None of those clubs share the same name.

Jets teamed up with Bombers. People hated Bombers because it was too much like the Broncos.

 

[Pippen94]

Not sure why folks are shelping Cronulla in with Manly, the shire is huge in terms of both catchment, and junior participation, Manly and the Roosters are the opposite, i would even add St george but having all of the South Coast/Illawarra, pretty much gives St.Merger an exemption, also keeps Southern Sydney locked up as far as rival codes presence.
Its the Northern suburbs of Sydney that needs attention or a Swift Kick up the Ařse, Manly is the only presence there and most of sydney hates them. Which can serve a purpose in the "we all need a villian" in the game, but it does nothing to grow the game from the Harbour to Newcastle, since there isn't a 1st grade side to barrack for or aspoire towards.
Either the Roosters need to take on the area properly effectivly adding "North" to their "Sydney Roosters" or the Bears need to be re-instated in manlys place.. effectively not needing either of the useless bondi gits or asbestos vilians

Yep, Manly & Roosters not proactive at all when it comes to promoting game.

 

[Pippen94]

Brisbane isn’t getting another $300milliion stadium, Suncorp needs more than one RL tenant being one of the best stadiums in the country, any new club has to be able draw a massive fanbase and that is best done from a central location, not out in one direction of the city. Jets is a grassroots club with some very smart and successful businessmen involved. Will be called Brisbane to appeal to whole city, will play out of Suncorp to maximise fan attendance and corporate revenue opportunities. Seems to tick most boxes form where I am sitting. Literally the only thing I’ve heard about in terms of dolphins is nice logo, the fact they’ve got some decent assets and that they have a stadium unsuitable for nrl. What’s their revenue? What’s their profit margin? Who are they trying to appeal to, Brisbane or far northern region? Do they have the cash asset base required for start up and rainy days?

To say fans won’t get behind a Brisbane Jets because they are exactly same as Broncos is nonsense, from a historical reasons for dislike of broncos point of view the two are nothing alike.

Listen to the local who is telling you what rivalries & divides exist in the city & how certain teams will be perceived.

 

[mongoose]

I can only go on what I witnessed.

Which side of Brisbane did you live in at the time?

I was on the southside in Easts territory. Broncos were the only club people south of the river cared about. They played their games at Nathan, in Brisbane's south. Crushers were from the northside of town, so they had no support in the south.

Crushers were based in Grange, which was Pastoral Brothers Leprechauns territory. Broncos Leagues was based a stone throw away from at Red Hill. It doesn't surprise me that Pastoral Brothers Leprechauns, Fortitude Valley Diehards and Western Suburbs Panthers were the 3 closest BRL clubs to Broncos Leagues, and all of them went bust.

The other day there was an article saying Crushers was a shit brand that didn't appeal to kids. I've been saying this for years. Everyone knows it was a shit brand. A brand has to be trendy to get kids on board.

Year GM Total Ave.
1995 11 231317 21029

21k people were attending their games and this was at the old Lang Park before it was rebuilt. What happened after that shouldn't count as SL stuffed everything up for many clubs. Even the Broncos crowds dropped from 35k in 1995 to 23k in 1996. That's a massive drop considering they still finished in the top 4. It was Super League, nothing to do with branding or how close their HQ was to the Broncos.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Year GM Total Ave.
1995 11 231317 21029

21k people were attending their games and this was at the old Lang Park before it was rebuilt. What happened after that shouldn't count as SL stuffed everything up for many clubs. Even the Broncos crowds dropped from 35k in 1995 to 23k in 1996. That's a massive drop considering they still finished in the top 4. It was Super League, nothing to do with branding or how close their HQ was to the Broncos.

How many of them were kids?

From memory, most of the people at those games were old people who hated the Broncos.

 

[reanimate]

Not sure why folks are shelping Cronulla in with Manly, the shire is huge in terms of both catchment, and junior participation, Manly and the Roosters are the opposite, i would even add St george but having all of the South Coast/Illawarra, pretty much gives St.Merger an exemption, also keeps Southern Sydney locked up as far as rival codes presence.
Its the Northern suburbs of Sydney that needs attention or a Swift Kick up the Ařse, Manly is the only presence there and most of sydney hates them. Which can serve a purpose in the "we all need a villian" in the game, but it does nothing to grow the game from the Harbour to Newcastle, since there isn't a 1st grade side to barrack for or aspoire towards.
Either the Roosters need to take on the area properly effectivly adding "North" to their "Sydney Roosters" or the Bears need to be re-instated in manlys place.. effectively not needing either of the useless bondi gits or asbestos vilians

I’m not sure why people keep thinking that it’d be a good thing if the Roosters took over running the game in Sydney’s North. Even though they’ve had one of the best RL stadiums in NSW as their home ground for most of their modern years, they’ve had terrible crowds and their territory has been eaten into and become known as the Swans biggest support base. This is despite having all the money in the world and 8 years of nearly constant success.

 

[Perth Red]

West Coast Eagles
Fremantle Dockers
Adelaide Crows
Port Adelaide Power

None of those clubs share the same name.

Jets teamed up with Bombers. People hated Bombers because it was too much like the Broncos.

Can’t speak for Adelaide but Freo has worked, kind of (they are still very much small cousin to Eagles and spent many years losing money) as they play at a central stadium and draw from the Southside of the city, basically half the city. You can ge5 a direct train from Dockers catchment to Optus in less than 25mins. They’ve also worked as you can’t buy a ticketed ,membership to Eagles, so if you want to watch live afl the. Dockers are literally the only option in Perth. None of that will apply to Brisbane2.

 

[mongoose]

How many of them were kids?

From memory, most of the people at those games were old people who hated the Broncos.

"from memory" lol what rubbish, you went to all those Crushers games and scoped out the crowds did you?