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Brisbane Easts will probably buy the Broncos from News Ltd. They already own the Broncos LC
Easts Leagues took over operations at Broncos Leagues when it went bust a few years ago. I don't know if Easts are still running it. Easts Leagues is a behemoth that puts Broncos Leagues to shame.
 

Perth Red

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Thats what the report shows, that any new team is going to eat into existing fanbases, its extremely costly to create brand new fans for a sport. Thats why the other clubs are nervous and commissioned the report. The best case scenario is the new club converts the fans in Brisbane who support an out of town team so the financial impact is minimal to the existing Qlnd clubs. I dont think it really matters which of the three it is in that scenario, end of day nrl are super conservative, dont want to invest anything and so will go with the bid that gives them the greatets sense of financial security and viability.
 

MugaB

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so does Ipswich and Redcliffe though...
So would any new franchise whereever it is situated, but it all depends on how much to each nearby club, aswell as the potential to grow, easts/firehawks are in the middle of both existing clubs catchments, ipswich are in the middle of broncos catchment only, and redcliffe are not affecting either, not if moreton bay is the suggested catchment, but yes all affect sponsorship and potential fanbase... but thats the point too, to give existing SEQ loxals a choice, whether they already have a current team they follow e.g Broncos, Cowboys, or Titans, and if not a fan of either can potentially be a Dolphin supporter
 

titoelcolombiano

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So would any new franchise whereever it is situated, but it all depends on how much to each nearby club, aswell as the potential to grow, easts/firehawks are in the middle of both existing clubs catchments, ipswich are in the middle of broncos catchment only, and redcliffe are not affecting either, not if moreton bay is the suggested catchment, but yes all affect sponsorship and potential fanbase... but thats the point too, to give existing SEQ loxals a choice, whether they already have a current team they follow e.g Broncos, Cowboys, or Titans, and if not a fan of either can potentially be a Dolphin supporter
Pretty much this, if we are scared to eat into current fan bases to grow the overall fan base in the future, then we may as well call expansion off altogether, close up shop and hand NSW and QLD over to the AFL.
 

Perth Red

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Any Brisbane-based bid is going to cannibalise the existing clubs to some extent.
If the report is to be believed about a third of RL fans in Brisbane follow an interstate club. The trick for the new club will be to get these fans to adopt them as their second club, eventually some will migrate to the Brisbane2 club being their first club or at worse their kids will. They could do something smart like tell us who your team is and get a free ticket when we play them at home, then get them to follow Brisbane2 as their adopted "home" team. If 1/3rd really arent followjg a qlnd team there should be no need to cannbilise the exisitng clubs fanbases.
 
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If the report is to be believed about a third of RL fans in Brisbane follow an interstate club. The trick for the new club will be to get these fans to adopt them as their second club, eventually some will migrate to the Brisbane2 club being their first club or at worse their kids will. They could do something smart like tell us who your team is and get a free ticket when we play them at home, then get them to follow Brisbane2 as their adopted "home" team. If 1/3rd really arent followjg a qlnd team there should be no need to cannbilise the exisitng clubs fanbases.
That's a good way of getting more RL fans in Brisbane to attend games. It guarantees Brisbane will host every team from Sydney each year twice with Magic Round.
 
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Or do both with a reduction of the self centred Sydney clubs.

Who are the self-centred ones in your view?

As for the report - Bris2 makes sense to me as the next step but understand the conundrum of eating into an existing fan base.

I hate being the Kelli Underwood (ie - "in the AFL"....) but they haven't had those issues in the kicky code - when the Crows came in, the vast majority of Pt Adelaide (Magpies) fans didnt follow them at all - hated the crows. So when they came into the big league - it didnt cause too much cannibalism. Unsure of the Fremantle/West Coast Scenario but they are separate areas...

As for the value of 17th team to the overall competition - to me it only maximises it's value when there's an 18th team to make up 9 games per round. To have a game in Bris (close to) each week will no doubt help ratings and crowds there..

But you could lose eyeballs on screens from the bye team each week. While there's no stats on this i know - the theme im seeing on these forums and from mates of mine is that many have dropped off "passively" watching games that don't involve their team... And primarily it's the ghastly spectacle that's been a turn-off (rules, bins, milking, blowouts etc)... so it hopefully can be addressed if the administrators wake up to themselves.
 

Perth Red

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Freo west coast wasnt an issue really as they knew they’d get to the point of lock outs for the Eagles so made sense to have an alternative club for when fans could no longer get tickets to follow eagles. Broncos aren’t in that situation sadly.
Freo also offered a different geographical and socio demographic difference.
 

Jamberoo

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If the report is to be believed about a third of RL fans in Brisbane follow an interstate club. The trick for the new club will be to get these fans to adopt them as their second club, eventually some will migrate to the Brisbane2 club being their first club or at worse their kids will. They could do something smart like tell us who your team is and get a free ticket when we play them at home, then get them to follow Brisbane2 as their adopted "home" team. If 1/3rd really arent followjg a qlnd team there should be no need to cannbilise the exisitng clubs fanbases.
People that follow out of town clubs don’t generate as much revenue as Bris 2 fans would. Their team only plays in Brisbane one or twice a year. If they picked up Bris 2 they might attend more games, buy memberships, are more likely to buy Merchandise, their kids are more likely to follow RL, etc.
 

Perth Red

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People that follow out of town clubs don’t generate as much revenue as Bris 2 fans would. Their team only plays in Brisbane one or twice a year. If they picked up Bris 2 they might attend more games, buy memberships, are more likely to buy Merchandise, their kids are more likely to follow RL, etc.
Yep, it’s a shame the people doing the report didn’t survey those fans to see if they would follow brisbane2 or stick with their out of town club.
 

Jamberoo

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Yep, it’s a shame the people doing the report didn’t survey those fans to see if they would follow brisbane2 or stick with their out of town club.
The nRL should be spending $1m on research about all this. Can’t afford to get this wrong.
 

The Great Dane

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Yep, it’s a shame the people doing the report didn’t survey those fans to see if they would follow brisbane2 or stick with their out of town club.
The initial core fan-base of every expansion team in my lifetime was made up of people whom supported other teams and if asked prior to the new clubs existence if they would switch to the new team, most (including myself) would have said no, but they'd attend anyway just for the opportunity to watch footy, and that maybe the team would become their 'second team'.

Give it a few years, and assuming all goes well, before you know it a good chunk of those people will suddenly have the new team as their 'first' team, and all their talk of never switching teams will be absolutely meaningless.

In other words we have enough experience with this stuff at this point that we don't need to survey those fans to know whether or not a significant amount of them will jump on board a new team if it were to exist, and even if we did survey them the results would probably be twisted by the phrasing of the question and people's emotions clouding reality.

All we need to know is if there are enough of those people in a market to support a club, if so then it's doable, which is the case in Brisbane.
 
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