Redcliffe put their hand up

[The Great Dane]

They should have made it 20k or 25k with covered stands.

Even that would be too small for a successful Brisbane club... You'd need a capacity of at least 30k.

Besides, playing out of Redcliffe would make it vary inconvenient for 80% of the population of the city to attend, so it'd basically be commercial suicide. Then again, Redcliffe's bid isn't about building a successful football business it's about a rich leagues club buying an NRL license as a status symbol.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Even that would be too small for a successful Brisbane club... You'd need a capacity of at least 30k.

Besides, playing out of Redcliffe would make it vary inconvenient for 80% of the population of the city to attend, so it'd basically be commercial suicide. Then again, Redcliffe's bid isn't about building a successful football business it's about a rich leagues club buying an NRL license as a status symbol.

Again with the BS. Redcliffe run a hugely successful Football club.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Even that would be too small for a successful Brisbane club... You'd need a capacity of at least 30k.

Besides, playing out of Redcliffe would make it vary inconvenient for 80% of the population of the city to attend, so it'd basically be commercial suicide. Then again, Redcliffe's bid isn't about building a successful football business it's about a rich leagues club buying an NRL license as a status symbol.

I don't see anything wrong with the Dolphins focusing on Moreton Bay so another team can be based south of the river, taking in eastern Brisbane, Logan and Redlands. Broncos can focus on western suburbs, northern suburbs and Ipswich.

 

[The Great Dane]

Again with the BS. Redcliffe run a hugely successful Football club.

Here we go with the bs semantics game about 'football clubs' when it was obvious that I was talking about the football business as opposed to the leagues club/gambling business.

Unless you're seriously going to argue that the Dolphin's QRL team makes a profit?

Because, without even looking at their annual report, I'll tell you right now that it's never made a dime and that it's totally subsidised by their pokies.

 

[flippikat]

I don't see anything wrong with the Dolphins focusing on Moreton Bay so another team can be based south of the river, taking in eastern Brisbane, Logan and Redlands. Broncos can focus on western suburbs, northern suburbs and Ipswich.

Firehawks makes the most sense *by far* as the 2nd Brisbane team - Redcliffe maybe as a 3rd, but to be brutally honest there's plenty of other markets in need of an NRL team before Brisbane3/SE Qld 4 that can grow the pie more than further saturating SE Qld.

 

[The Great Dane]

I don't see anything wrong with the Dolphins focusing on Moreton Bay so another team can be based south of the river, taking in eastern Brisbane, Logan and Redlands. Broncos can focus on western suburbs, northern suburbs and Ipswich.

So there's nothing wrong with tiny suburban clubs that survive exclusively off handouts from leagues clubs and the NRL? I think the history of the sport in this country would suggest that is incorrect, and that repeating the mistakes made in Sydney in other cities would be a monumentally stupid idea.

You're not even addressing the point I was making in that post anyway.

 

[Perth Red]

Dolphin stadium looking good on TV - add another 10k seats & admit this bid

Tidy second tire ground but not close to nrl standard Stadium.
no cover, only 10k and minimal corporate facilities. Nothing $200mill wouldn’t put right lol.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Firehawks makes the most sense *by far* as the 2nd Brisbane team - Redcliffe maybe as a 3rd, but to be brutally honest there's plenty of other markets in need of an NRL team before Brisbane3/SE Qld 4 that can grow the pie more than further saturating SE Qld.

NZ 2 and Perth should be ahead of Bris 3. I just cannot see the myopic ARLC adding NZ 2 or Perth ahead of Bris 3 under COVID-19, which is probably here to stay for a few more years. Travel will be limited with the borders closed, which doesn't bode well for Perth and NZ 2. It all comes down to money and security, which Bris 2 and 3 provide through their rich Leagues Clubs.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

So there's nothing wrong with tiny suburban clubs that survive exclusively off handouts from leagues clubs and the NRL? I think the history of the sport in this country would suggest that is incorrect, and that repeating the mistakes made in Sydney in other cities would be a monumentally stupid idea.

You're not even addressing the point I was making in that post anyway.

I wouldn't add the Dolphins as the 2nd club. I think Brisbane 2 has to be based in the inner suburbs, south of the river and cover the eastern side of the metro area.

If the ARLC is stupid enough to give Redcliffe the licence then it should be as Brisbane Dolphins, with their logo showing a dolphin launching itself from the Brisbane River, near the CBD. Similar to the Brisbane Jets logo. Brisbane is known as The River City, so it's something the team should adopt to make it stand out as an extension of Brisbane.

Dolphins would work great as a regional club covering Moreton Bay, but only after the Firehawks are introduced as Bris 2. Moreton Bay is almost as big as the Gold Coast and growing rapidly. It will have 690k in 2041

Regional Growth Management Strategy 2041

Moreton Bay Region is one of Australia’s fastest growing regions. Our regional population is forecast to grow from 459,600 to approx 690,000 by 2041.

www.moretonbay.qld.gov.au

 

[Perth Red]

I wouldn't add the Dolphins as the 2nd club. I think Brisbane 2 has to be based in the inner suburbs, south of the river and cover the eastern side of the metro area.

If the ARLC is stupid enough to give Redcliffe the licence then it should be as Brisbane Dolphins, with their logo showing a dolphin launching itself from the Brisbane River, near the CBD. Similar to the Brisbane Jets logo. Brisbane is known as The River City, so it's something the team should adopt to make it stand out as an extension of Brisbane.

Dolphins would work great as a regional club covering Moreton Bay, but only after the Firehawks are introduced as Bris 2. Moreton Bay is almost as big as the Gold Coast and growing rapidly. It will have 690k in 2041

Regional Growth Management Strategy 2041

Moreton Bay Region is one of Australia’s fastest growing regions. Our regional population is forecast to grow from 459,600 to approx 690,000 by 2041.

www.moretonbay.qld.gov.au

you slam manly for being a small suburban club stuck on a peninsula with ltd appeal to a large population, but want to do the same in Redcliffe? Saying Moreton bay has 500k people to appeal to is like saying Northern Sydney has 1million so Manly have relevance.
Brisbane, and the NRL doesn't need three clubs, it needs two hugely successful ones based at Suncorp and a popular second division in QRL cup. That's where a club like Redcliffe belongs.

 

[Jim Rockford]

Hahaha talking about putting a club in a bad geographic location. What do you call putting the ButtPirates on the opposite side of the continent? The only place a team like Perth belongs is in your wet-dreams.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Here we go with the bs semantics game about 'football clubs' when it was obvious that I was talking about the football business as opposed to the leagues club/gambling business.

Unless you're seriously going to argue that the Dolphin's QRL team makes a profit?

Because, without even looking at their annual report, I'll tell you right now that it's never made a dime and that it's totally subsidised by their pokies.

I know exactly what you are trying to imply... which is what you've been trying to imply all along. No, of course a Q Cup team alone doesn't make a profit (do any of them?). But outside of the pokie den, they've actually invested well and have revenue generating assets greater than most NRL clubs and at the same time run a very successful football club.

 

[Pippen94]

Fire hawks are hodge podge team with no real point of difference. Only geography will allow new team to be different.

In any case Dolphins are getting in so nothing said here will make difference

 

[Pippen94]

Tidy second tire ground but not close to nrl standard Stadium.
no cover, only 10k and minimal corporate facilities. Nothing $200mill wouldn’t put right lol.

It's not going to cost that much to add 9k seats or new stand

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

you slam manly for being a small suburban club stuck on a peninsula with ltd appeal to a large population, but want to do the same in Redcliffe? Saying Moreton bay has 500k people to appeal to is like saying Northern Sydney has 1million so Manly have relevance.
Brisbane, and the NRL doesn't need three clubs, it needs two hugely successful ones based at Suncorp and a popular second division in QRL cup. That's where a club like Redcliffe belongs.

Whinge all you like, but the financial strength, location and history of the Dolphins in the world's second largest RL city make them a great asset to the NRL. You can death ride them all you like, but the few similarities they share with Manly are dwarfed by their many differences, and they're also a safer option than the West Coast Pirates, hence the reason your bid is not a legitimate contender.

Manly and Redcliffe are incomparable as one calls itself after a tiny suburb and relishes on its us vs them mentality, whereas the other plans on appealing to a large area and segment of the population. If they were to enter as the Redcliffe Dolphins and play all of their matches out of a 10k stadium then you would have a point, but they're not so it's irrelevant.

If Manly became the North Sydney Sea Eagles in 1998 and marketed itself across the North Shore, Northern Beaches and Central Coast then it would be one of the largest and most important clubs in the NRL.

 

[mongoose]

Fire hawks are hodge podge team with no real point of difference. Only geography will allow new team to be different.

In any case Dolphins are getting in so nothing said here will make difference

It needs to be a 2nd Brisbane team though, not a redcliffe team.

 

[Pippen94]

It needs to be a 2nd Brisbane team though, not a redcliffe team.

Doesn't need another broncos.

Dolphins a Brisbane team representing region of 500k.

 

[MugaB]

Doesn't need another broncos.

Dolphins a Brisbane team representing region of 500k.

Playing at Suncorp, don't forget thats the important part, it automatically pitts them against the broncos, (as does all other bids)
The difference is it represents the northern suburbs of brisbane reaching to sunshine coast, thus not encroaching on the broncos or titans areas, and still uses Suncorp as its home base

 

[Dark Corner]

Tidy second tire ground but not close to nrl standard Stadium.
no cover, only 10k and minimal corporate facilities. Nothing $200mill wouldn’t put right lol.

Maybe we need a tidy second tire League or 2 ?

 

[Perth Red]

NZ 2 and Perth should be ahead of Bris 3. I just cannot see the myopic ARLC adding NZ 2 or Perth ahead of Bris 3 under COVID-19, which is probably here to stay for a few more years. Travel will be limited with the borders closed, which doesn't bode well for Perth and NZ 2. It all comes down to money and security, which Bris 2 and 3 provide through their rich Leagues Clubs.

Reality is unless Vlandys pulls a miracle and gets FTA to buy the 9th game in this tv deal its going to be 5-7 years before the 18th team comes in anyways