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[RedVee]

Fox commentators said Redcliffe is east of Brisbane CBD. I thought it was North?

 

[Perth Red]

It's not going to cost that much to add 9k seats or new stand

Yes it is, we spent $125mill on hbf park and Dolphin stadium needs more than nib stadium did. Because it only has 3 sides it means its going to need BIG stands along the edges, the cost of a new corporate stand alone is well over $100mill. So it needs a corporate stand, a new main stand with cover, big screens, improved lighting and change facilities (that tunnel lol) at the very least. The only bit worth saving is the end stand.
And it needs to be at least 25k if they are going to be financially sustainable. Its currently 10k seats.

 

[MugaB]

Fox commentators said Redcliffe is east of Brisbane CBD. I thought it was North?

Byron Bay is also East of Brisbane CBD

 

[Perth Red]

Whinge all you like, but the financial strength, location and history of the Dolphins in the world's second largest RL city make them a great asset to the NRL. You can death ride them all you like, but the few similarities they share with Manly are dwarfed by their many differences, and they're also a safer option than the West Coast Pirates, hence the reason your bid is not a legitimate contender.

Manly and Redcliffe are incomparable as one calls itself after a tiny suburb and relishes on its us vs them mentality, whereas the other plans on appealing to a large area and segment of the population. If they were to enter as the Redcliffe Dolphins and play all of their matches out of a 10k stadium then you would have a point, but they're not so it's irrelevant.

If Manly became the North Sydney Sea Eagles in 1998 and marketed itself across the North Shore, Northern Beaches and Central Coast then it would be one of the largest and most important clubs in the NRL.

There is no WA bid as Vlandys hasnt called for one so how are you judging the 'safety' of a WA bid?

If you have a dolphins playing in redcliffe they will be exactly like Manly, just with a nicer stadium (if they can find $200mill to get it NRL ready) and a wealthier Leagues club.

I have no problem with a Brisbane Dolphins playing all games at Suncorp as Brisbane's second team.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Reality is unless Vlandys pulls a miracle and gets FTA to buy the 9th game in this tv deal its going to be 5-7 years before the 18th team comes in anyways

Is there a clause in te FTA component of the deal stipulating a 9th game cannot be sold to Ch7 or Ch10?

I'd imagine a Monday Night Football game would draw interest from Ch7 and Ch10.

 

[Perth Red]

Is there a clause in te FTA component of the deal stipulating a 9th game cannot be sold to Ch7 or Ch10?

I'd imagine a Monday Night Football game would draw interest from Ch7 and Ch10.

'23 onwards FTA deal has not been negotiated yet so no, though its highly unlikely Ch9 will allow it, and that's whose likely to get it again.

 

[MugaB]

Yes it is, we spent $125mill on hbf park and Dolphin stadium needs more than nib stadium did. Because it only has 3 sides it means its going to need BIG stands along the edges, the cost of a new corporate stand alone is well over $100mill. So it needs a corporate stand, a new main stand with cover, big screens, improved lighting and change facilities (that tunnel lol) at the very least. The only bit worth saving is the end stand.
And it needs to be at least 25k if they are going to be financially sustainable. Its currently 10k seats.

It doesn't need anything, coz they'll only play the odd one off game or trials there, suncorp is the major based stadium, unless the QLD govt wants to upgrade moreton daily stadium for bid purposes other than rugba leg, then otherwise its unnecessary, the dolphins team isn't moving there away from suncorp, thats not a thing, thats the jets bid who have hopes to do that

 

[Perth Red]

It doesn't need anything, coz they'll only play the odd one off game or trials there, suncorp is the major based stadium, unless the QLD govt wants to upgrade moreton daily stadium for bid purposes other than rugba leg, then otherwise its unnecessary, the dolphins team isn't moving there away from suncorp, thats not a thing, thats the jets bid who have hopes to do that

The stadium discussion was in reference to the idea that there should be three Brisbane clubs with the Dolphins being one of them playing in the north. Or do people think all three Brisbane clubs should play at Suncorp??

No regular season NRL game should be played at a stadium with a capacity less than 20k, its supposed to be an elite comp, not park footy!

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

There is no WA bid as Vlandys hasnt called for one so how are you judging the 'safety' of a WA bid?

If you have a dolphins playing in redcliffe they will be exactly like Manly, just with a nicer stadium (if they can find $200mill to get it NRL ready) and a wealthier Leagues club.

I have no problem with a Brisbane Dolphins playing all games at Suncorp as Brisbane's second team.

The Brisbane bids are safer because they have assets and Leagues clubs to fall back on, whereas any Perth-based bid will rely on investment from sugar daddies or the ARLC. I think Perth should have at least one team, with plans for another in the future so there's more content to sell to the Southeast Asian countries, which are set to boom over the next 80 years.

Brisbane Dolphins, marketed as an extension of "The River City", could become one of Australia's more iconic brands. Brisbane is known as The River City, so it makes sense to capitalise on it and the fact that dolphins swim in the Brisbane River.

 

[MugaB]

The stadium discussion was in reference to the idea that there should be three Brisbane clubs with the Dolphins being one of them playing in the north. Or do people think all three Brisbane clubs should play at Suncorp??

No regular season NRL game should be played at a stadium with a capacity less than 20k, its supposed to be an elite comp, not park footy!

Correct, but you can have a lowly rated team versus the dolphins, playing a one off game in Redcliffe, like most teams do when they play games in Gladstone, Toowoomba, Bathurst, Dubbo or Tamworth, i see no difference in an "exhibition" type match to offset a game that might not reach the capacity at suncorp but can do it elsewhere,
And yes TGD will howl this down, as "but a new brisbane team should be packing out suncorp every time regardless of the opposition", ....well the reality is there will be a bad timeslot or bad weather bad form or something that will draw a lesser crowd, unfortunately not all scheduled games run perfectly for crowds to attend, for that reason having the option to play at redcliffe seems like a no brainer, especially since the covid restrictions now, and a few weeks of no crowds, looks like redcliffe ended up being useful to the NRL as another option, as did gosford last year for the warriors home ground

 

[The Great Dane]

I know exactly what you are trying to imply... which is what you've been trying to imply all along. No, of course a Q Cup team alone doesn't make a profit (do any of them?). But outside of the pokie den, they've actually invested well and have revenue generating assets greater than most NRL clubs and at the same time run a very successful football club.

The Dolphins leagues club's investments in real estate and the such have no bearing on the success of their football department or their ability to run a successful football business...

 

[The Great Dane]

Correct, but you can have a lowly rated team versus the dolphins, playing a one off game in Redcliffe, like most teams do when they play games in Gladstone, Toowoomba, Bathurst, Dubbo or Tamworth, i see no difference in an "exhibition" type match to offset a game that might not reach the capacity at suncorp but can do it elsewhere,
And yes TGD will howl this down, as "but a new brisbane team should be packing out suncorp every time regardless of the opposition", ....well the reality is there will be a bad timeslot or bad weather bad form or something that will draw a lesser crowd, unfortunately not all scheduled games run perfectly for crowds to attend, for that reason having the option to play at redcliffe seems like a no brainer, especially since the covid restrictions now, and a few weeks of no crowds, looks like redcliffe ended up being useful to the NRL as another option, as did gosford last year for the warriors home ground

I have never said anything of the sort, nor would I...

BTW, anyone seriously suggesting that NRL games should be regularly hosted at a ground with a 11.5k capacity needs their heads checked.

 

[The Great Dane]

The Brisbane bids are safer because they have assets and Leagues clubs to fall back on, whereas any Perth-based bid will rely on investment from sugar daddies or the ARLC. I think Perth should have at least one team, with plans for another in the future so there's more content to sell to the Southeast Asian countries, which are set to boom over the next 80 years.

Having a leagues club doesn't make you a safe bet. Plenty of clubs with leagues clubs have failed, they also incentivise bad business practices.

Why work to grow your consumer base or improve your business when you know that you can live outside your means, and invest almost exclusively in the football department, and your leagues club will bail you.

Brisbane Dolphins, marketed as an extension of "The River City", could become one of Australia's more iconic brands. Brisbane is known as The River City, so it makes sense to capitalise on it and the fact that dolphins swim in the Brisbane River.

Or adding Brisbane to their name could be the extent of their efforts to appeal to a broader audience, and the Brisbane Dolphins would exist as a de facto Redcliffe team in the NRL that is underwritten by their leagues club.

Look at the Roosters; they take the name 'Sydney' in 2000, and have made no other significant efforts to broaden their appeal across the city, and their attendance has been more or less stagnate since that time fluctuating between 11k-17k depending on other factors, but mostly coalescing around 13k-14k.

That's almost certainly the Dolphins future given their other efforts, or lack there of, in broadening their appeal, except that the Dolphins will be playing their home games 40min (if there's no traffic) away from their target audience.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Having a leagues club doesn't make you a safe bet. Plenty of clubs with leagues clubs have failed, they also incentivise bad business practices.

Why work to grow your consumer base or improve your business when you know that you can live outside your means, and invest almost exclusively in the football department, and your leagues club will bail you.

Or adding Brisbane to their name could be the extent of their efforts to appeal to a broader audience, and the Brisbane Dolphins would exist as a de facto Redcliffe team in the NRL that is underwritten by their leagues club.

Look at the Roosters; they take the name 'Sydney' in 2000, and have made no other significant efforts to broaden their appeal across the city, and their attendance has been more or less stagnate since that time fluctuating between 11k-17k depending on other factors, but mostly coalescing around 13k-14k.

That's almost certainly the Dolphins future given their other efforts, or lack there of, in broadening their appeal, except that the Dolphins will be playing their home games 40min (if there's no traffic) away from their target audience.

The distance between Redcliffe and Milton is a huge concern. It's why I think they would be more successful as the Moreton Bay Dolphins, based out of a stadium in Moreton Bay, than as the Brisbane Dolphins at Lang Park.

Brisbane might only need two teams in total, but if there was a third, I would put it up in Moreton Bay and model it after the Titans as the region is similar to the Gold Coast and is set to boom over the next 20 years with a projected population of 690k. Firehawks can be like the Broncos, but there cannot be a third team using that model.

 

[mongoose]

The distance between Redcliffe and Milton is a huge concern. It's why I think they would be more successful as the Moreton Bay Dolphins, based out of a stadium in Moreton Bay, than as the Brisbane Dolphins at Lang Park.

Brisbane might only need two teams in total, but if there was a third, I would put it up in Moreton Bay and model it after the Titans as the region is similar to the Gold Coast and is set to boom over the next 20 years with a projected population of 690k. Firehawks can be like the Broncos, but there cannot be a third team using that model.

Moreton Bay is just Brisbane imo, nobody associates with "Moreton Bay" It's just a name made up for the purposes of a council .... I think you're better off having a 3rd team on the Sunshine Coast which is supposed to see huge growth in coming years. Use the Olympics to upgrade their stadium to 25-30k and their support would be similar to the Cowboys.

 

[Pippen94]

Yes it is, we spent $125mill on hbf park and Dolphin stadium needs more than nib stadium did. Because it only has 3 sides it means its going to need BIG stands along the edges, the cost of a new corporate stand alone is well over $100mill. So it needs a corporate stand, a new main stand with cover, big screens, improved lighting and change facilities (that tunnel lol) at the very least. The only bit worth saving is the end stand.
And it needs to be at least 25k if they are going to be financially sustainable. Its currently 10k seats.

No it f**king doesn't. Can be 18k & play big matches at lang park which they'll do anyway.

 

[Pippen94]

Moreton Bay is just Brisbane imo, nobody associates with "Moreton Bay" It's just a name made up for the purposes of a council .... I think you're better off having a 3rd team on the Sunshine Coast which is supposed to see huge growth in coming years. Use the Olympics to upgrade their stadium to 25-30k and their support would be similar to the Cowboys.

Great, another regional team which brings no audience or derby & will need propping up like GC, Newcastle, Townsville..

 

[mongoose]

Great, another regional team which brings no audience or derby & will need propping up like GC, Newcastle, Townsville..

So you think the Knights and Cowboys are a failure but we should be replicating teams like the Sharks and Sea Eagles? right...

 

[Pippen94]

So you think the Knights and Cowboys are a failure but we should be replicating teams like the Sharks and Sea Eagles? right...

The whole point of another Brisbane team is to maximize the 2nd biggest rugby league market in the world, but instead you want to put team in area of 300k ppl which is on the doorstep of Brisbane anyway. Never going to f**king happen

 

[mongoose]

The whole point of another Brisbane team is to maximize the 2nd biggest rugby league market in the world, but instead you want to put team in area of 300k ppl which is on the doorstep of Brisbane anyway. Never going to f**king happen

I'm suggesting Sunshine Coast over a 3rd Brisbane team. Second Brisbane team is still a priority.