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Perth Red

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Where is it said that stadium was strictly for 2nd division team?! Dolphins always have had ambitions for NRL & stadiums can be built with idea of expansion in mind. Melbourne rectangular stadium is an example of that
I'm only going off photos as havent been but it looks like there is a large building behind the stand that currently has a part roof that would prevent further extension of that stand (the corporates would have to be demolished as well), and the rake on the other side looks pretty shallow to be adding another much bigger section behind it, you'd be a long way from the pitch at the top of the stand. Given they have committed to playing at Suncorp its a bit of a pointless discussion anyway! This is what they'd need to build on one side. holds around 11k and costs around $60mill with the toilets, shops, food etc under it. A lot more than that for a proper corporate stand on the other side if they could fit it in. End stand looks fine. Then add big screens etc etc and you'd need to be spending $175mill plus in reality to get it to a roofed 25k modern stadium with suitable corporate facilities.
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A high-level report by accountancy firm PriceWaterhouse Coopers has emerged as the secret weapon in the Redcliffe Dolphins’ bid to win the game’s expansion race.

The report, obtained by News Corp, takes a deep dive into the reach of the three bidding parties and their potential impact on the other sides in southeast Queensland. It suggests the Dolphins would attract more fans than the other two bids, without canabilising existing southeast Queensland teams.

It is understood the document forms part of the paperwork that the Dolphins sent to the NRL in their application for the 17th licence, and has subsequently come to light as the Brisbane Firehawks and Jets take a breath after stalled talks over a proposed merger.

The Firehawks and Jets were locked in delicate negotiations late last week as they sought to intensify the pressure on the Dolphins, the clear favourites to win the 17th licence should the ARL Commission press the go-button on expansion.

However, those talks appear to have hit a brick wall, leaving the Jets and Firehawks to go it alone. The Dolphins, meanwhile, have been sitting back and watching events unfold with quiet confidence, in part because of the PwC investigation eases some of the ARL Commission’s major concerns around growing the game’s fan base and cannibalisation of the existing sides.

The Commission made it clear that their decision around the 17th team would be contingent to a large extent on bringing new fans to the game rather than poaching supporters from the Brisbane Broncos and Gold Coast Titans.

The Dolphins insist they are best placed to meet both criteria and have the evidence in the form of a 21-page document that suggests their bid is the most palatable when it comes to the commission’s well-documented concerns.

“With a successful NRL bid, the Dolphins plan to mobilise their existing supporters while additionally taking up the role of a true second team for Brisbane,” the sport states.

The report says that by taking games to Sunshine Coast Stadium and their existing home ground of Moreton Daily Stadium, the Dolphins will give the commission incremental growth beyond that provided by the Jets and Firehawks.

“As both the Dolphins and the Jets propose to play the majority of home games at Suncorp Stadium, each team will have an inevitable impact within this catchment,” the report states.

“However, by additionally playing home games at Moreton Daily Stadium and Sunshine Coast Stadium, the Dolphins provide larger incremental growth to the NRL within those new markets.

“Currently Brisbane is a ‘monopoly market’, serviced by only one NRL team, despite hosting the second-largest concentration of NRL fans in Australia.

“The introduction of a new and second team would allow for an NRL game to be played at Suncorp Stadium on most weekends during the regular season, providing more opportunities to attend NRL games to Brisbane-based fans who may not have the means to travel for away games.

“Additionally, the positive net impact of increasing total support in a given market through the introduction of a new team and generation of ‘local derby’ rivalries is well understood, and evidenced by the entry of the Western Sydney Wanderers into the Sydney A-League market.”

The report makes it clear that the game will benefit from a second team in Brisbane through the derby effect, giving clear evidence of how it has worked in other sports.

“Currently the Broncos play home games at Suncorp Stadium approximately once every two weeks, leaving capacity for another team to play home games on alternate weeks,” the report says.

“Existing NRL fans who support the Brisbane Broncos are likely to continue to support that team. However, by (nearly) doubling the number of NRL regular-season games at Suncorp, there is an opportunity to broaden and increase the NRL’s penetration into the south east Queensland market.

“By adding a second team, the NRL may be able to capture further supporters within the greater Brisbane region, attracting more ‘casual’ fans to games (as games are played more often), and potentially increase club memberships and ongoing patronage at games and other events.

“Any potential market overlaps between the incumbent Titans and either of the incoming competitors, Dolphins or Jets, will be immaterial due to the very small populations within these modelled overlaps.

“Matches where two local teams play each other in their home cities are known as derby matches. It is well documented in Australian professional sports that derby matches result in significant increases in supporter turnout for both teams.”

Meanwhile, the Jets on Wednesday revealed they had negotiated a five-year sponsorship contract, worth $4 million annually.

By their own admission, the Jets are the poorest of the three bids, with the Ipswich consortium lacking the fiscal muscle of the Dolphins’ $100 million asset base and the Firehawks’ $25 million in cash reserves.

But Jets chief Nick Livermore says their $20m commercial deal puts the western-corridor bid firmly in the frame to win the 17th licence.

“With this commercial deal, we will have money from day one,” Livermore said.

“I cannot disclose the identity of the parties due to confidentiality, but we have a signed five-year agreement in place worth $4 million annually for our major sponsorship and other corporate arrangements.”
 

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So they’re going to have more fans by playing games at two 10k capacity stadiums? Yeh makes sense! The report commissioned by the clubs clearly shows the dolphins region has the highest number of broncos supporters and supporters of other qlnd clubs. If any club is going to cannibalise the broncos it is the dolphins going by that report.
 

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cumbrian Mackem

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Got to admit I don’t like the idea of the dolphins having multiple home grounds. Especially when 2 of them aren’t really of NRL standard.

Sounds to me like the dolphins are trying to please to many people by spreading themselves around which in my experience usually ends up in pleasing nobody. Even more so if the dolphins were to struggle in the early years with on field performances.
 

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So the people the Dolphins commissioned to say the thing, said the thing... Wow, who woulda thunk it.

If you read between the lines they are basically saying that the Dolphins will have less impact on the other clubs because they'll be the smallest club playing out of the smallest venues, which is a hilariously insane argument.

The absolute state of this sport when people are unironically arguing that the best option for growth is the one that will have the least impact on the other clubs, rather than the one with the potential to be the most successful.
 

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So the people the Dolphins commissioned to say the thing, said the thing... Wow, who woulda thunk it.

If you read between the lines they are basically saying that the Dolphins will have less impact on the other clubs because they'll be the smallest club playing out of the smallest venues, which is a hilariously insane argument.

The absolute state of this sport when people are unironically arguing that the best option for growth is the one that will have the least impact on the other clubs, rather than the one with the potential to be the most successful.

Stop yelling at clouds - you lost. Dolphins will get in & be a success.... & you'll still be here blathering blabbing about the The Smiths
 

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So they’re going to have more fans by playing games at two 10k capacity stadiums? Yeh makes sense! The report commissioned by the clubs clearly shows the dolphins region has the highest number of broncos supporters and supporters of other qlnd clubs. If any club is going to cannibalise the broncos it is the dolphins going by that report.
It goes onto say they will use Suncorp for most games so not sure what their plan is...
 

MugaB

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So they’re going to have more fans by playing games at two 10k capacity stadiums?.
Actually both stadiums can hold 11.5k each, i think sunshine coast can do a tad bit more with 12k, but I'm being nitpicky, i don't think they are there for more than 2 games a year, like I've said before, it's more likely it will be dolphins vs cronulla, raiders or bulldogs, the lower rated games that would be taken there, it will never be a well supported away team, like souths, bronx or parra
 

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Actually both stadiums can hold 11.5k each, i think sunshine coast can do a tad bit more with 12k, but I'm being nitpicky, i don't think they are there for more than 2 games a year, like I've said before, it's more likely it will be dolphins vs cronulla, raiders or bulldogs, the lower rated games that would be taken there, it will never be a well supported away team, like souths, bronx or parra

Actually Sunshine Coast will be upgraded for Olympics

Sunshine Coast Stadium (upgrade, 16,500) – Football (Preliminaries)
 

Pippen94

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Olympics is in 2032 and they are still looking for funding for the upgrade, so I'd suggest it is still years off from happening. Dolphins being admitted could certainly speed that up though

A lot of this construction will be completed long before games. Dolphins come in 2023
 

titoelcolombiano

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So the people the Dolphins commissioned to say the thing, said the thing... Wow, who woulda thunk it.

If you read between the lines they are basically saying that the Dolphins will have less impact on the other clubs because they'll be the smallest club playing out of the smallest venues, which is a hilariously insane argument.

The absolute state of this sport when people are unironically arguing that the best option for growth is the one that will have the least impact on the other clubs, rather than the one with the potential to be the most successful.
Seems like you read into that what you wanted to read. They are actually the largest of the bids and the fact that the majority of their matches are played at Suncorp means they will have an ''inevitable impact''. They refer many times to the fact that Suncorp will be the main base and that it will be used most weekends of the season.

There will be max one game at Dolphin Stadium and one at SC Stadium which will provide ''incremental growth'' in those new markets for the NRL.
 

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Seems like you read into that what you wanted to read. They are actually the largest of the bids and the fact that the majority of their matches are played at Suncorp means they will have an ''inevitable impact''. They refer many times to the fact that Suncorp will be the main base and that it will be used most weekends of the season.

There will be max one game at Dolphin Stadium and one at SC Stadium which will provide ''incremental growth'' in those new markets for the NRL.
Did you read it...
“As both the Dolphins and the Jets propose to play the majority of home games at Suncorp Stadium, each team will have an inevitable impact within this catchment,” the report states.

“However, by additionally playing home games at Moreton Daily Stadium and Sunshine Coast Stadium, the Dolphins provide larger incremental growth to the NRL within those new markets.
I.e. the Dolphins will play more games at small venues in smaller markets, therefore they won't have as much of an impact on the Brisbane 'catchment'.

It also says nothing about only one game 'max' at Dolphin Stadium and Sunshine Coast, that's just a figment of your imagination that the Dolphins own bid material refutes.

The report is also internally contradictory when it says this-
“Existing NRL fans who support the Brisbane Broncos are likely to continue to support that team. However, by (nearly) doubling the number of NRL regular-season games at Suncorp, there is an opportunity to broaden and increase the NRL’s penetration into the south east Queensland market.
So somehow the bid teams will have an 'inevitable impact' on the Broncos market if they play at Suncorp, but at the same time it's likely that existing fans who support the Broncos will continue to support them and more games at Suncorp will 'broaden and increase the NRL’s penetration into the south east Queensland market'...

Taken in the most charitable way, that suggests that cannibalisation of the Broncos market will be negligible at best no matter which team gets the license.

BTW, how much do you want to bet that the report measures the Dolphins 'existing supporters' by their leagues club member numbers? I f**king hate when teams do that.
 

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No existing Broncos fan is going to switch to the new team. If future generations who would have become Broncos fans dont and follow the new club is more likely but with over 2million people in Brisbane there should be enough RL fans to cope with that for two clubs.

Unless the Dolphins commit to a significant presence and ongoing relationship with the Sunshine coast I cant see many jumping on board there long term. Again I think the Dolphins are the future when they can play out of Moreton Bay and take 3 games a year to Sunshine coast and be a genuine two location club.
 
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