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I visit often enough for the read, just don't feel the need to post all that much.

This thread aside, the discussion of who or what more closely resembles faeces, holds little interest when I'm already fairly certain of the answer.
 

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I'm amused how much disregard there is for the position of Fullback, emphasised by the League soap operas doing the rounds at the moment. We all know soap operas are the home of placebo actors as are the arsewipes for promoting placebo fullbacks.

I haven't taken much notice of Hoffman's tackling ability but I certainly can vouch for Barba and Milford, who are distinct from Hayne in that Jarryd could tackle if he had any idea how to position himself. None of the last 3 are competent, let alone good fullbacks. Before Brisbane hire Barba to play fullback they need a totally dominant front row

Milford's easy, the Broncos want him in the halves where he's made a name for himself and Hayne thinks he's now a 5/8, imo should be centre, at least he's in the line. Melbourne supporters see Slater differently than the arsewipes, they see the 11 tackles he made, not the try he scored yesterday.

Maloney for instance is making a name for himself as 5/8 and can break the line with a turn of speed. Put him at fullback where he had to defend the width of the field and goodnight Dick. A fullback can excite all he likes but first he must learn to impress by doing the job his team mates rely on him doing, stopping something they miss.
 
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If it means anything, I really enjoy this column.

Seeing it relegated out of the main page to the troll cave...well, I'm looking for a reason not to return to this site, and I guess I've now found one.
 

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If it means anything, I really enjoy this column.

Seeing it relegated out of the main page to the troll cave...well, I'm looking for a reason not to return to this site, and I guess I've now found one.

Thank you for your support but it would be unconscionable of me to be responsible for even one person leaving what is probably the most notable avenue for League discussion on the net. I had to go back to the start of this thread before I realised how hypocritical I was now being by jumping up and down like a kid whose mum wouldn't buy him a f**king icecream

I began RR because I didn't like being trolled and designed this thread as a challenge to people who wanted to troll me. I dared them to come at me front on instead of sniping and hiding in the confusion. Worked pretty well once the wankers realised being out-ridiculed wasn't all that much fun. Problem is I should have stopped this thread once I achieved a persona as someone not to be trolled, instead I became comfortable in my seclusion.

If the administration is to be successful in its attempt to protect forummers from being made uncomfortable or reticent there can be no place for a thread tagged 'Redneck Redfaces', it is contradictory in any effort to police trolling. The Troll Cave really is a necessary subterfuge to prevent raising the ire of the forum populace, deleting not a viable option, a depository for posts/threads that are not conducive to the well being of the forum.

It is for the above reasons I as the author of RR declare it defunct, no-one in their right f**king mind wants to be relegated here so a great deal more thought needs to be put into posting and respecting the right of others to have an opinion. I'm sure most of us would prefer to ignore rather than troll, let's hope light hearted sarcasm and humour are not casualties.
 

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Don't ignore that this thread has evolved into something quite different, it's really become a rather entertaining blog. Now far be it from me to agree with all you write, and one must accept that more than the occasional jibe still finds it's way into your musings, but given the responses you've had over the last few pages I'm sure I'm not the only one that finds your particular style of ranting entertaining.

An added bonus, perhaps unforeseen at it's conception, being the dearth of pages of dross that must be sorted through to find an entertaining read.
 

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Best I move on, maybe I can offer my musings in another form, one that is more discerning but like everyone else I'm now aware the threat against poor judgement is real
 

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of course, its our pleasure to serve

mind you it would have happened alot quicker if you'd have thought to ask for it to be moved back here rather than whinge because it wasn't
 

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of course, its our pleasure to serve

mind you it would have happened alot quicker if you'd have thought to ask for it to be moved back here rather than whinge because it wasn't

Great to see you have a sense of humour, well done
 

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Panthers should win because every team worth it's salt should win this time of year at home. Back line is as good as anyone's if the old Coote re-emerges so all depends if Walsh can stitch front and back into one. Shame Mose is moving on, he's looking interested lately, matter of fact this game will be won or lost by those moving on, Prince or pauper another key element.

Dogs' only chance is to get to Hasler's 2nd stanza plan leading by double digits, could happen if the monolith we know as Madge's mob wet the bed like they did against Manly. More and more like Melbourne, the only way to beat Souths is browbeat them early and confuse them late. If CB get within a converted try either way it will be a gargantuan performance.

From here on in Dragons/Tigers players need only concentrate on establishing their worthiness for '14, which in itself means we should see a good game, worthy of rocking up with the kids. Imo Marshall shouldn't be playing since a win alone proves sfa, a close loss without him if the team showed cohesian would be a far better outcome.

First of 3 big games will be intriguing, a rare full strength spine of the Titans against the whimsical Warriors. I envisage that Kelly will show Johnson how to give his team confidence. Albert, like Shaun, doesn't possess a fabulous passing game, but he certainly knows how to use his other similar talents much more effectively. The prospect of both these blokes in broken play makes the game a must see and I know Albert won't die wondering.

Main interest for me in the 2nd big one is Kyle Feldt, great to see new kids on the block. Sims is more trouble than he's worth so the Cowboys are improved and at home, everything to play for and Thurston must be coaching the side . . . how else could they be winning. Problem is the Knights know they deserve a shot at the Cup and NQ don't, Benny will use the fact that Newcastle have played their heart out all year to stimulate his mob against usurpers.

Last of the big games will see poor old Tooves again under a bunsen burner, Canberra Stadium is becoming a science lab. Not only are Manly expected to win in a place few win, they are up against ingredients that may have been revitalised mixed with players in the rightful positions . . . almost. Would have been better for all concerned had Ferguson broke a leg instead of Wighton but this game may see an intensity the Seagles will have to do their best to match. No more injuries please.

A lot of people say Melbourne should rest players, but they don't understand the Storm think more of their supporters than anyone else, home games are not to be taken lightly. Unlike the Eels supporters who are accustomed to mediocracy Melbourne supporters are surrounded by aliens and need all the encouragement they can get. That's a bit soppy I know but how else could I write more than one line

Crikey, almost forgot the biggest game of all, more important for the Roosters than the Sharks funnily enough. This is a badly needed opportunity for the Roosters to regain momentum, just a win would be enough if the Sharks play their best. Fifita is easily the best big minute prop in the game and he's starting, mongrel man Graham is back to inspire and De Gois is an enigma when he starts ferreting. Will be a good test for the team to beat.
 

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My religion is Scepticism, to a devout sceptic everything is either tangible or completely explainable, relying on faith replaced by not suffering disillusionment. Naturally people of my persuasion take the media with a grain of salt, along with politicians and the like, what is written is not proven and when seemingly proven is not always justified.

Imo Cronulla supporters need not be horrified because doomsayers can't be satisfied, there is solace in that a lot of people will see the perceived infractions as necessary. A few years ago the Sharks were a team on the brink of disaster, no less than they are now, their Achille's heal being not finding the holy grail by winning a Cup. Winning a premiership might be fleeting but it does establish a place in the respectability stakes.

Every team needs at least one superstar, Cronulla over the years have had a few and came close, probably always one great player shy of enough. Tried an imaginary supercoach, the latest borderline fitness supplements and now heaven forbid, apparently paying their main attraction overs to stay in the joint.

Being a sceptic I don't give a shit if the Sharks are breaking rules, I have my own rules regarding what does or doesn't affect other clubs or hurts the game. The performance enhancing ElephantJuice thing is a molehill turned mountain, their affectiveness at best probably minimal and not conclusively proven to be used in a sinister conspiracy.

It would need a great stretch of the imagination to imply the Sharks want to be a superteam feared by all, more likely a team desperate to survive and at most establish themselves as a yardstick rather than a bumpstop. Keeping their key player as a means to attract a couple more potential greats like Carney and Fifita is a priority.

Now lets talk about that, easy for me because I'm a sceptic. Anyone who thinks key players in other teams aren't receiving incentives, that don't go on record, to stay where they are is delusional . . . could be anything from promises to hard cash. The real question that needs to be asked is if a star player is being paid under the table to stay, what will he need to be paid under the table to relocate. Forget what's on the books in either direction.

There are some players for different reasons that clubs deserve to keep, not just for the benefit of the club but to justify the attempt to benefit the game itself. Fairness is more than just blindly applying the rules, a case in point being what in f**king hell sin was there in allowing Folau to join a club that needed him badly. Bringing the game into disrepute works both ways
 

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It's long been my belief that great players don't make exceptional coaches, easier to get a point across if you talk a good game and the player you're talking to doesn't think 'It's easy for him to say, I can't play as well as he did'. I can imagine Wally Lewis instructing his players to think 4 moves ahead as in a chess game when most of them struggled with marbles. Wal must go close to being the worst coach ever.

Brett Finch is talking media or coaching, probably has the right qualifications to do both. He certainly can talk, players will listen because if they want to be great they must play at least as well as he did and take the next step. The next step is something proven supercoaches Bellamy/Bennett/Gibson could not climb as players, but they definitely knew what's required.

Tenacity and an overactive desire to defend is a major attribute and never looking for a resting place on the field, which is why I thought Furner had all the credentials. I would expect Brett White to be competent at recognising coaching potential but maybe Dave's problem is more to do with familiarisation at Canberra and he may have to go to SL and start again . . . deja vu Brownie.

Imo a club who's seeking a supercoach would do better to study potential rather than buy off the shelf. Brown could have done well in Australia if he was given a chance at an NRL club prepared to persevere. Robbo and Maguire didn't need to go overseas, what they've got they've always had. Brian Smith was good in England and shit here so there's no need to go anywhere.

Trent Barrett for instance talks a good game I'm told, as a player possibly almost the equal of Cleary and Hasler who both definitely know what is required. He would probably coach for peanuts and there are clubs out there at the moment who's players are playing like peanuts. Dare I say it, Melbourne leads the way in perseverance both with players and coaches, no need to look further to see how it's done.
 

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Great effort by the Dogs, thank f**k it wasn't good enough. Impression was the referees were told to keep CB in the game, couldn't have 2 'Tooveys' two weeks running. How good is Dylan Walker going to be when he grows short and curlies and I'd like to see Sutton in the back row and Keary in full time employment.

Graham set out to prove he's the best pommie front rower and it would have been good to see the biggest 'ball' boy against him. Still, it's never good to have a full complement playing another possible just before the finals in case of defeat. One team gave everything and the one that didn't still won, that'll do me
 

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By far the biggest hypocrites in the game are the arsewipes, forget player managers who crawl cap in hand when trying to sell a player to a club, brag how good they are at securing a contract then think nothing of encouraging their client to break it. No, they can't hold a candle to the f**king arsewipes.

Imo Benji has never been better than just a passable 5/8, far too unreliable to justify any of the rubbish media used to sell their wares over the years. None of the 50 or so brilliant moments made up for the hundreds of diabolical brainsnaps. Because the media would have us believe he wore a golden boot they think they can convince us he now carries a smoking pitchfork.

Sheens had to put up with Benji's shit for years, handled it badly and paid the consequences, tried to coach one man instead of a team. Potter, or any other decent coach looking in from the outside, has noted the obvious. All he wants to do is start with a clean sheet with no creases.

On one hand we have the arsewipes see an opportunity to sell their f**king scummy stories by destroying a coach who has only just picked up a broom, given no chance to rearrange the new furniture. On the other they want to cover the fact they know sfa about League players by painting Benji as a traitor, when he has never been more than a figment of their imagination.

If Cam Smith decided to play AFL I might want to punch him but if I was a Tigers supporter I would help Benji pack his bags, shake his hand for what he tried to do but failed, and wished him well in anything other than coming back. He is an ordinary player who did an ordinary job, once put on pedestal and now decried as a devil, neither of which he deserves
 

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All the Leprechauns in Tiger Town will be rejoicing this morning after finding a Potter gold.

Mick should be showing a finger on one hand to all the doomsayers and arsewipes, a finger on the other pointing at a new Storm on the horizon. No need to steal a coach from another NRL team, steal players that others produced and wanted to keep but at the same time release square pegs from round holes. If he keeps his head out of the clouds a brand new cult will fall in his lap.

Luke Brooks is the new spearhead of a band of youngsters that will make Wests a destination for even more talent. Let's hope by the time it all comes together the new powers that be discard injustice and introduce a way for Potter People to stay together. More power to the producers, f**k the middlemen.

Impossible to overtake the Broncos, can't have the spoon and who cares if the Dragons steal a jump, Wests should ask the NRL can they play the remaining rounds for no points. Anything to give Brooks a run and prepare for a glorious outcoming next year I say
 

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Trying not to alienate anyone it seems appropriate to post an ongoing apology for my ad nauseum use of the term 'poaching', a glib response to the equally ambiguous 'cheating' used by those overcome with jealousy. Seems much to my chagrin I am destined to defend the indefensible, Melbourne's inexcusable avoidance of the salary cap.

I would much prefer everyone let bygones be bygones but as long as there are people who can't see the forest for the trees, continuing to give the powers that be an outlet not to right the injustice of discouraging some clubs to bludge off others. It is far too easy to accept the obvious and disregard the much more ominous.

Forget the chiches I like to use that clubs should be allowed to keep what they produce, you have to look deeper than that. If Bellamy is indeed a supercoach the alternatives Melbourne had to 'cheating' the cap are far more foreboding than what eventuated. Suppose it happened today and the Storm were forced to let expensive players go.

Bellamy may get the shits and decide to replace them with far cheaper players other clubs wanted to keep. Say he replaced Folau with Daniel Tupou, Widdop with Luke Keary, Cronk with Luke Brooks, Inglis with Jack Wighton. There is no guarantee that the clubs he 'poached' those players from could afford any of the Storm players so they are the ones who suffer.

How long do you think Bellamy would take to turn those replacements into superstars, probably not much longer than the 12 months without points and he would have money left over to make sure Cam Smith or Slater never left the joint, maybe even buy Ferguson just to be nasty. Demonise Melbourne for keeping what they earned or castigate them for what they would have done if push came to shove . . . your choice.
 
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Big news today is a call for players to unite against time wasting, what the media call 'wrestle' and other mumbo jumbo. The coach tells a player to slow down play so naturally he asks how and from there we end up with a miriad of alternatives. The new idea is to impress upon players that it will be unmanly to hurt a player when he is not in a position to defend himself.

So, instead of picking up one leg of a player and taking it back with you as you return to 2nd marker you have to forget that it will slow down play and now consider the groin injury it may cause. Basically, what players are being asked is to do is play the game remembering to do unto others as you would have them to do to you . . . in other words play like Mick Cronin would.

In the old days players preferred hurting the opposition fairly, man to man, and the best way to slow the opposition was to pick out players you knew would tire and make them work. Nowdays you can't find a tired player because there aren't any so when you make a tackle you have to make sure your team is prepared before the bloke regains equilibrium.

If the number of interchanges are reduced forwards will tire, the need to slow them down by other means will diminish, the backs can afford to bide their time because opportunities will become inevitable. If coaches realise that wasted effort on wrestling, diving at legs and too many unnecessary players in a tackle will needlessly result in expending energy that can't be regained, they will coach against it.

Since it's the forwards who seem to be the main perpetrators of injuries in tackles make them think twice about wasting energy in the process, once they're off they stay off. The backs will have to think twice about expending energy any more than is necessary to stop an opponent because they will need it to take opportunity of stamina later in the game.

By far the best way to prevent something unwanted from happening is to make it disadvantageous. Reduce the number of interchanges for f**k sake
 
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Wouldn't you know it, biggest game of the year for Benny and no Jeremy Smith, what's worse is Willie is his next best prop and Kurt waiting to come up with anyone's guess. Broncos are 13th but will leapfrog the Knights in 7th, until the others play that is, ironically whoever loses at Suncorp will just about hear the fat lady singing. Seriously, anyone who doesn't feel for the old supercoach would pull wings off a fly

I'm in the minority who think the Shield is the be all and end all so unless Madge can't help himself there's no reason to risk Inglis. Tiger Brooks can't play and with Benji/Braith calling the shots Souths could give them 6 balls start and still sink the black. Will be the perfect game to have a Burgess Benefit, the media cacophony afterwards is going to be f**king nauseating.

Warriors/Raiders would have been the match of the round, McCrone and Milford finally in their right positions and Campese back, if only Fergie wasn't a f**kwit and Jack wasn't broken. Goodnight Dick for the loser, great opportunity for the winner if results go their way.

With both terrorists missing the plane the Dogs could be left on the tarmac if Penrith decide to fly into action. The mountain men in this formation could do anything to anybody if they put their mind to it, like the others on 24 the Broncos could glide by if they don't. CB win this one with this crew the sky's the limit.

Seagles have to beat the Storm by 22 . . . Cam is playing

Hope the 6 point buffer doesn't distract the Sharks against the Cowboys, lot will depend how the Dogs go if Cronulla are to be inspired, the table aside this would be the match of the round . . . then again the Us Against Them Mob need to sustain momentum.

More than likely points for and against will be out the window when Souths play Wests and the Titans are another 24 pointer on the edge of oblivion so where does that leave the Roosters. Searching for momentum, salvaging pride, risking a shot at a high score to prove a point, get their defence back in order . . . any or all of those. On paper it looks a straightforward Rooster turnaround, my concern is injuries and suspensions in these times of bewilderment

My favourite game is MNF . . . the footy gods must have known I won't be able to watch it for the first time this year
 
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