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Reduction of teams in the 2019 world cup

TheParraboy

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On this topic, found an interesting article on the match played in Berri, 238km north-east Adelaide. Imagine if something like this was done today:

http://www.news.com.au/sport/cricke...town-of-berri-sa/story-fnqpo3wn-1227242825944

Thats a good read

We really should have taken some of these games to the country

I think we got 5k crowd for the Scotland Afghanistan game at the GABBA. great game but it was morque like atmoshpere. We would have gone close to selling out in regional grounds with 10-15k capacity. I understand they needed to be up to international standard (lights, cameras, facilities), but we had like 6 plus years to co-ordinate this.

I know its not as simple as all that, but would be better

The union world cup in 2003 took games everywhere, a real party carnival atmosphere at all games cause the lesser sides played out to full grounds away from the mainstream city arenas. Wish this cricket world cup (and future ones) had that foresight
 

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http://www.espncricinfo.com/icc-cricket-world-cup-2015/content/story/841887.html

Sachin Tendulkar has condemned the ICC's decision to reduce the number of teams in the 2019 World Cup as "a backward step" in the global expansion of cricket and described the lack of consistent matches available to Associate sides as "unfair".

Tendulkar, an ambassador for the World Cup on behalf of the ICC, told an audience at an exclusive dinner in Sydney that the ICC should instead be exploring ways to expand the next World Cup to as many as 25 teams.

He also suggested Full Member nations should regularly play their 'A' sides against Associates and strive to provide a "fair platform" for smaller cricketing countries.

"I found out the next World Cup would only be ten teams," said Tendulkar. "Which is slightly disappointing because as a cricketer I want the game to be globalised as much as possible and, according to me, this is a backwards step.

"We've got to find ways of encouraging the lesser teams."

Tendulkar also contradicted the views of ICC chief executive David Richardson, who defended the planned reduction of teams from 14 to 10, by suggesting, "The World Cup itself, the premium event, without exception should be played between teams that are evenly matched and competitive."

Richardson's statement has been widely challenged, with only one match so far between Full Member nations - New Zealand's one-wicket victory over Australia - considered to be competitive. In stark contrast, some of the matches between Associates have provided the most keenly fought contests, Ireland scored a notable result by defeating West Indies and Afghanistan capped off their remarkable rise in qualifying for the World Cup by overcoming Scotland in a final-over thriller.

"The lesser teams have, in each and every World Cup, they always surprise top teams," Tendulkar said. "And they can do it on a consistent basis only if they're given a fair platform to express their talent.

"Right now, they get up after four years on the cricket world's biggest platform and they're expected to play and compete with the likes of Australia, South Africa, India, New Zealand, West Indies, Sri Lanka, so many top sides. It's unfair to them."

Since the 2011 World Cup, Ireland has played only 11 ODIs against Full Member nations and their captain William Porterfield has been joined by his Scotland counterpart - Preston Mommsen - as well as a host of players and officials from both Associate and Full Member sides, in calling for a "level playing field".

An online petition asking the ICC to reverse the decision to cut the number of World Cup teams has, at the time of writing, gathered more than 15,000 signatures.

Tendulkar said he believes cricket's global fan base will only grow if the Associates improve to the level where they can be consistently competitive and he believes the first step is to schedule regular matches against second-string sides from the Full Members nations.

"Why not get Australia A, England A, New Zealand A, South Africa A, New Zealand A, India A, everyone, to go and visit these countries and play them on a regular basis," Tendulkar said. "And see, not just 14 teams, but how can we get to 25 teams participating in the next World Cup?"

"It is not just about the top six or seven sides. If we are to globalise this game we have to get more and more people excited about cricket and the fan following only follows the result.

"If the results are good then you have more fans, so it's important that they play good cricket consistently for a longer period, not just one good performance and then suddenly they go underground for four years and then turn up if they do well in those qualifying rounds.

"So I would say it's something the ICC needs to look into and I hope they look into it."


While calling for an expansion of the World Cup, Tendulkar also spoke about his concerns for the 50-over format and said he had suggested to the ICC about splitting ODIs into two 25-over innings.

"I think Test cricket definitely will survive and T20 is definitely going to survive," he said. "There is a big question mark over one-day cricket because I think it is getting monotonous. I have sort of casually suggested to the ICC that they need to look at the format. Can we change the format a little bit so that it's not predictable?

"Right now when it comes to batting from the 15th over onwards to the 35th over you know exactly how the batters are going to bat and that is something that is possibly boring the spectators.

"Can we change that? Can we look to introduce something that is not quite as predictable, which is slightly out of the box?"

Tendulkar proposed a split-innings format, which he said could encourage more exciting matches and fairer results when games were interrupted by rain. It is the type of format that was trialled during the 2010-11 Australian domestic season when the 45-over Ryobi Cup was split into two innings although the experiment only lasted one season after it was determined the international game would remain at 50 overs.

"I suggested that it be 25 overs and then the other side comes in and they bat 25 overs and then you go back again and bat 25 overs and then you finish the game with 25 overs but in the entire match you have only ten wickets," he said.

"I felt there was a huge disadvantage in certain venues when the sides had to go in second because there is so much dew. Spinners are virtually out of the game and fast bowlers don't get any movement.

"They're bowling straight and the batters are thinking, well, where am I going to hit the next boundary? The game doesn't go ahead like this. We need to find the right balance."

"It just adds to the excitement, whether you want to lose seven wickets in the first 25 overs and score 270 runs because it's going to rain later, or have wickets in hand because later on there's going to be dew and batting's going to be easy and you can attack the bowlers."

When asked about the reaction of the ICC, Tendulkar replied, "They haven't reacted. I'm still waiting."

I 100% agree with the part in bold, but disagree with his suggestion of chopping up the 50 overs/innings to two 25 over innings constituting one match. The game will take even longer to finish. Think 25 teams in a World Cup is a bit too much, but he has the right idea that the ICC need to EXPAND and not CONTRACT the number of teams for future tournaments. Also, expansion of the T20 World Cup is good for the Associate Nations, and there's a higher chance for an upset (e.g. Netherlands in 2009)
 
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More common sense spoken here:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/icc-cricket-world-cup-2015/content/story/837671.html

Porterfield went as far as to say the 10-team model would merely be a rehash of the Champions Trophy already played among the top eight teams in the ICC's rankings. He wondered at the logic of reducing chances for Associate nations who struggle as it is to get games against Full Member nations - Ireland have only played nine such matches since the 2011 tournament despite their obvious development.

"It wouldn't be a World Cup if you just keep reducing teams down to the top few teams that are ranked," Porterfield said in Brisbane ahead of Wednesday's match against the UAE. "It's frustrating whenever you come to tournaments and the governing body wants to keep cutting teams. Cricket is the only sport in the world that does that when it comes to world events. It's very disappointing and frustrating from our point of view that that's the way the ICC are viewing things.

"We have played nine ODIs against top-eight teams in the last four years. That is not a lot of cricket - about two games a year against top nations. That is not acceptable. It is not what developing the game is about. Hopefully if people get behind that then things can change and it's not just a case of narrowing down the teams, it's a case of expanding the game."

UAE batsman Khurram Khan made his own firm statement about the opportunities afforded to cricket's next tier by observing that despite his region's status as a frequent venue for matches in Sharjah, Abu Dhabi and Dubai, few, if any, Full Member nations bother to schedule matches against the host country while there.

"Definitely I'd like to see us play many more matches against Test playing nations," Khurram said. "You cannot just expect us to come to a World Cup and do well without playing any other games against them before the World Cup. We have to have more opportunities playing against these teams.

"They are coming to our country to play cricket, we'd like to have some matches against them. Eighteen tours, Australia, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, India, whoever is visiting there, definitely we have to have more games for associates. It's been a little harsh on Associates that you expect them to do well when suddenly after four years you give them six matches and you want them to beat everybody. It's not going to happen."

and another article worth reading:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/icc-cricket-world-cup-2015/content/story/837477.html
 
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25 teams? Is he on the juice? What a snorefest that would be. Teams will get 5 hundy and you'll see someone get 300 ... on their own.

I agree we have to do something for the minnows. Afghanistan, UAE, Ireland, Scotland, and Australia have a few talented cricketers. Maybe one day one of them will make something of them selves.
 

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lol Iafeta, nice.

But seriously 25 teams is taking it way way too far.
I personally think 12 is about right assuming the associates get pretty much zero cricket like it is now.

If the ICC were actually looking to promote the game and gave them much more top level cricket, I could see a 16 team world cup working well. Netherlands and Kenya could be added to the current lot and wouldn't disgrace themselves.
 

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We all talked about the potential of Ireland making the QFs, but I wonder what the ICC must be thinking now that Bangladesh (currently outside the ICC top 8) have made the QFs? If Ireland also make the QFs, the ICC's decision to have a 10 team World Cup is looking more and more stupid by the minute.

So much for dropkicks like Big Sam talking about the 42 games being meaningless.
 
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There will be a sense of loss when this Cricket World Cup is over, a sense that summer was here on lease only, and now it is headed for the airport along with the Sri Lankans and the English and the Bangladeshis, with all their colour and clamour. So win or lose, let's enjoy it while we can, goddammit, because this Cricket World Cup is shaping up to be the best ever.
Leave the discarded jandals and empty wine bottles, there will be time enough to clear up when the last ball has been bowled. We don't like cricket, we love it. The violence and invention of the batting, the bowlers trying to keep order like policemen at a carnival, the spire of St Peter's at Adelaide and the swirl of the crowds.
And England, that sceptred isle, that seat of Mars kicked over by a country that had not even been dreamed about in the days of empire. There have been upsets before in World Cups, but none of them mattered like this one. Bangladesh's victory stuck two fingers up to England, and Australia, and India, the unholy trinity, the axis of evil, the 21st century colonialists who have sold out cricket for their own greedy ends.
So when the Bangladeshi players ran across the Adelaide Oval towards their fans, I was running with them. When they glided across the turf in joyful celebration, I was floor-surfing into the leg of the living room sofa. What now Giles Clark, in your pin-striped suit sitting on a bag of money, the face of English cricket? Where did you hide Kevin Pietersen? What have you done with England, an old-fashioned team made in your image? The world has moved on.
How I laughed when I saw the Matt cartoon in the Telegraph, the day after England's humiliation against a country they once called East Pakistan. It pictured two robed and bearded mullahs walking along a British street, one earnestly saying to the other, "Somebody has to stop young English men travelling abroad to play cricket."
Bangladesh's victory mattered more than any other previous World Cup upset. Should we even call it an upset when, since 1992, Ireland have beaten more of cricket's full member countries at World Cups than England. About all that is left now to the country that invented cricket is flannel, like coach Peter Moores saying he would have to look at the data to analyse what went wrong against Bangladesh. Picture him sitting on the loo, computer on his lap, captioned "porcelain analysis". Ye gods.
Bangladesh's victory mattered because it was one more colourful protest against the decision to reduce the next World Cup to 10 teams. That's a decision made in India. At the 2007 World Cup, both India and Pakistan were knocked out in the group stages and the bankers and TV moguls didn't like it one bit. So while the ICC arrogantly talks about eradicating match fixing, don't believe it for a moment. They're at it themselves.
Hosts England and the other seven top teams in the ICC rankings will automatically play in the 2019 World Cup, plus two other qualifiers. But remember England, India and Australia have guaranteed status in the top echelon of the ICC rankings because they rewrote the rules between them to state that they could not be relegated. That sounds like match-fixing.
So more power to Bangladesh. Brendon McCullum said, "Passion for the game is starting to flow through and the talent is rising to the top and I expect them to become a very tough proposition over next few years." So long as they are allowed to be.
The splendidly named Tony Irish, the chief executive of the Federation (representing all the major cricket-playing countries except India) of International Cricketers' Associations, said, "One of the objectives must be to try to grow the global game. The opportunity for other countries to participate in the World Cup, the pinnacle tournament, is important . . . The ICC has 105 members - 10 full members, and a number of competitive associate members. The important thing is that the body that administers the global game needs to have a global view. The fear is that the stronger countries will just play each other more and more, and the weaker countries will have less opportunity to play the stronger countries. The rich get richer, and the poor get poorer."
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This Cricket World Cup has been an opportunity for all. It has been a wonderful contrast of atmospheres, from the 70,000 Indians who crammed into the MCG to cheer on their team against South Africa, to the tighter travelling bands who have made so many friends at New Zealand's smaller grounds.
You have to hand it to the Aussies, from the 2000 Olympics to the 2015 Cricket World Cup, they are brilliant at embracing the show, and we in New Zealand are happy to be a part of it. Maybe more than just a little part of it - because for all the great shots in the World Cup, from AB de Villiers, the man whom Dale Steyn compares to Neo from The Matrix, to Glenn Maxwell, dubbed the Big Show by teammates, the guy who topped them all is Kane Williamson.
To date Williamson played the shot of the World Cup. Context is all. He had the bottle to step away to leg, knowing he would be the gagging goat if Pat Cummins splintered his off stump. He had the technique and the nerve to hit the ball over long on for six. It was a shot for the little guys. It was a shot that typified why we love this World Cup above so many of its bumbling predecessors.
And there is so much more still to come.
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Hear hear, absolutely sick to death about the "Big Three"

In fact Cricinfo is hugely responsible for it, the amount of constant worship the Ashes, Big Bash, IPL, Dhoni etc. all get is a reflection of how these three are controlling the game. They make sure the spotlight is only on them, where the money is.

Badly want someone outside of that group to win the world cup, doesn't even matter who.
 
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Hear hear, absolutely sick to death about the "Big Three"

In fact Cricinfo is hugely responsible for it, the amount of constant worship the Ashes, Big Bash, IPL, Dhoni etc. all get is a reflection of how these three are controlling the game. They make sure the spotlight is only on them, where the money is.

Badly want someone outside of that group to win the world cup, doesn't even matter who.

The Ashes is the oldest rivalry in cricket. It deserves to command some respect in cricketing circles. It's every bit an institution as the game itself.

I agree with the IPL, Big Beat Off and the other shit though. I think there is way too much emphasis on T20 in general.

On the 14 teams, I think we saw a good showing by most of the Associates. They cannot compete or improve in these nations until they start playing the cream of the crop. The ICC should be forcing the top teams in the game to tour these regions. NZ, Australia, SA, the Pakis & India should be playing the likes of Afghanistan, Ireland, Scotland & UAE, and regularly.
 

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The Ashes is the oldest rivalry in cricket. It deserves to command some respect in cricketing circles. It's every bit an institution as the game itself.

I agree with the IPL, Big Beat Off and the other shit though. I think there is way too much emphasis on T20 in general.

On the 14 teams, I think we saw a good showing by most of the Associates. They cannot compete or improve in these nations until they start playing the cream of the crop. The ICC should be forcing the top teams in the game to tour these regions. NZ, Australia, SA, the Pakis & India should be playing the likes of Afghanistan, Ireland, Scotland & UAE, and regularly.
As they've pointed out on Guerilla Cricket, whilst Pakistan call the UAE home it gives a great opportunity for touring sides to play UAE and Afghans in ODI series. Ditto teams touring the UK with Ireland, Scotland, Netherlands.
 

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On the 14 teams, I think we saw a good showing by most of the Associates. They cannot compete or improve in these nations until they start playing the cream of the crop. The ICC should be forcing the top teams in the game to tour these regions. NZ, Australia, SA, the Pakis & India should be playing the likes of Afghanistan, Ireland, Scotland & UAE, and regularly.

100% agree with this. As I've said ad nauseum throughout this cricket forums, the Associate nations will only improve when they get regular exposure against the test playing nations. There needs to be more opportunities created for them.

Ironic how Tendulkar, Dravid and several of the current Indian players like Dhoni are for the Associate nations (Tendulkar even going as far to say that the World Cup should be 25 teams, which is too much IMO) when their cricket board (BCCI) is against the concept and is trying to do the exact opposite by promoting a 10-team World Cup.
 
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Storm13

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There's a good article on cricinfo about all the help the ICC gave the associate teams between the last World Cup an the current, which is the main reason we have seen a big improvement in each of the four nations compared to the past efforts. Unfortunately the first thing the new Australian, English and Indian regime did was scrapped all the support that they were getting.
 

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Thats pathetic, the ICC should be supporting these teams to encourage expansion
 

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