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RL independence day arrives - NRL Independent Commission announced for November 1

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_Johnsy

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QRL & news ltd dragging the process out as long as they can (is ribot still part of the QRL?). Self serving morons, the sooner news ltd & the dinosaurs of the QRL stick to and deliver to the timeframe they agreed to, the better our game will be.
 

CC_Roosters

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I hope and think the afl news will have given them all kick in the tail.

On a side note, will there be a root and branch review of the game, will it be an independant consultant doing it or an in house job by the directors?
 

applesauce

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If Quayle is 'past it' then what's Murdoch?
Roy Masters
April 30, 2011


APRIL 30 has dawned, and rugby league has no independent commission, despite a front-page News Ltd headline in February declaring the media company would surrender its half-ownership of the code to a board of eight impartial directors today.
The Sunday Telegraph's banner headline of February 13 followed the Indigenous All Stars match the previous evening on the Gold Coast, where news of News Ltd's exit had been leaked.
It prompted excited chatter among the VIP guests at a corporate function at the Titans' headquarters near their Robina stadium.
Six weeks later, some of the same guests assembled to celebrate the 80th birthday of rugby league's longest-serving official, Titans chairman Paul Broughton, a lunch hosted by his chief executive, Michael Searle.
Broughton has been a St George player, a Balmain and Newtown coach and the NSWRL special projects executive dispatched to the Gold Coast during the Super League war to act as chief executive of the Chargers, a club killed off in the eventual 1997 ARL-News Ltd peace treaty.
He chose a dozen guests to share his celebration on March 25, including John Singleton, who sacked him at Newtown, ARL chief executive Geoff Carr and former boss of the Gold Coast Bulletin and NRL board member Roy ''Rocky'' Miller.
More significantly, NRL chief executive David Gallop and former ARL boss John Quayle attended.
It was the first time the pair had been in the same room, apart from a couple of centenary functions in 2008 when they politely acknowledged each other.
Quayle has been the big rock sitting on the independent commission moraine as it makes its glacially slow pace to the sea.
The NRL clubs voted unanimously to have him appointed a commissioner, possibly as chairman, and he has the support of the NSWRL.
However, News Ltd publications insist on saying he is ''past it'', while the QRL is also known to be opposed to him.
News Ltd's opposition is understandable: Quayle cost the media empire $500 million when he refused to roll over when the Super League tanks rolled into ARL HQ in Phillip Street.
The QRL's opposition might be centred on a quote attributed to Quayle way back when they were dragging their heels in the march to the commission, seeking more voting rights.
Quayle was supposed to have said this was typical of his experience with Queensland during his long stewardship of the ARL: the Maroons acted out of self-interest, not national interest.
If Quayle indeed said this, or his words were quoted by others, he is dead right: Queenslanders will always put the state first and the game second.
But there is a suspicion Quayle was being used as a pawn in a battle between the clubs and the state leagues. The truth is Quayle would probably have sympathy with Queensland's case.
He has never been in favour of clubs controlling the game. He knows that if the clubs manipulated the commissioners, every dollar coming in would go back to them, particularly with private owners, such as Russell Crowe, Nathan Tinkler, Scott Penn and Eric Watson, now owning half the clubs.
One of Quayle's saddest days as ARL boss was when Kerry Packer's lieutenants marched into his office during the Super League war and forced him to spend the code's $20 million bank balance.
If Quayle became a commissioner - and it's known he believes it would be wrong for him to be chairman - he would seek to build cash reserves and fund development.
Yet he is accused of being too close to Roosters chairman, Nick Politis, with whom he shares ownership of a Hunter Valley grape and olive property.
Politis is a club man; Quayle is a league man, and I suspect they have agreed to disagree on the role of a commissioner.
News Ltd still carries brutal grudges from the Super League war, and it's been assumed Gallop, a former News Ltd lawyer, would not want to work with Quayle looking over his shoulder.
GALLOP has been marginalised in the independent commission process but any suggestion Quayle would not co-operate with Gallop should have been dispelled at the Paul Broughton birthday lunch.
Quayle sympathised with Gallop, ''now that Paul has learned to text and email'', a reference to Broughton's missives to headquarters.
He told of the time when he was first appointed to Phillip Street, and Broughton, then working outside the game, bombarded him with regular 7am phone calls and scribbled notes on suggested initiatives.
''What am I going to do with this bloke?'' a bewildered Quayle said to one of his assistants.
''Employ him,'' came the response, and so Broughton joined the NSWRL, and pioneered metric measurements to the field, enhanced the role of women, created special programs for indigenous youth, and introduced modified games for the hearing-impaired.
Broughton is still very active, and Quayle is a decade-and-a-half younger than him.
Which raises the question: If men such as Broughton - at 80, the same age as News Corporation chief Rupert Murdoch - are still performing, and coach Wayne Bennett expects to win a premiership at a third club by the time he is 66, why is Quayle ''past it''?

Angry clubs set independence deadline as AFL counts its cash
April 30, 2011

NRL club chairmen have called for News Ltd and the ARL to hand over control of the game within seven days so that the new independent commission can commence urgent negotiations for the next broadcast rights deal.

But a more crucial deadline might be the end of the season when the licences of the 16 NRL clubs expire and they would be free to walk away and start their own competition. The club chairmen met on Thursday to vent their frustrations over the failure of the NRL partners to meet an April 30 deadline trumpeted on the front page of News Ltd newspapers for the new body to take over the running of the code.

The meeting coincided with the announcement of the AFL's $1.25 billion five-year TV and new media rights deal with Foxtel, Channel Seven and Telstra, prompting anger that league was unable to begin negotiations because the independent commission was not in place. Blame for the delays in a process that began almost three years ago was pointed squarely at News and the Queensland Rugby League, which is demanding its right to control the game in the state be enshrined in the constitution of the new Australian Rugby League Commission.


News is refusing to guarantee it won't start a rival competition as it did with Super League, which led to a virtual 14-year ''Cold War'' in the guise of the NRL after the media company and the ARL reached a peace deal in 1997.

''It is of considerable concern to the chairmen that the formation of the independent commission, designed to free rugby league once and for all of vested interests, is being delayed by such issues,'' a club chairmen's statement.

''The formation of the independent commission has always been of fundamental importance to the future of the game. With the commencement of negotiations for the new media rights deal now overdue, with the AFL apparently having now negotiated a lucrative media rights deal, and with the licences of all NRL clubs expiring at the end of the season, the immediate formation of the independent commission is now critical.

''The NRL clubs call on the ARL and News Limited to finalise all outstanding agreements to allow the formation of the independent commission within the next seven days.''

News representatives are mystified by the demand for a non-competitive clause as the company has already been granted the first and last rights of refusal on any television deal until 2027 - the reason Rupert Murdoch launched the Super League raids on the game in 1995.

But a News spokesman said the company had always been prepared to consider a non-compete clause on ''normal reasonable commercial terms''.

Unravelling the agreements put in place at the end of the Super League war is one reason for the long delay. There also appears to be reluctance to have the inevitable showdown over the choice of the eight commissioners.

ARL and club officials want the game's former boss, John Quayle, but his appointment is opposed by the QRL. Ultimately it will be a matter for News as the final eight-person board has to be approved by the NRL joint-venture partners before their departure from the game.

While the QRL - along with the clubs - has input into the selection process through former Queensland treasurer and deputy premier Terry Mackenroth's place on a four-man panel, NSWRL officials control the ARL board by six votes to four. In turn, the NSWRL is now controlled by the clubs after a successful takeover campaign at last December's AGM.

News's stance on Quayle is unclear but officials believe that after agreeing to the media company's demand for NRL chief executive David Gallop to remain in his job for the next three years it is only fair that News accept the former ARL chief executive, who quit to aid the Super League peace process.

They also believe he would be able to assist Gallop as the eligibility rules precluding anyone with official involvement in a club or league for the previous three years from being a commissioner.

The criteria rule out Country Rugby League boss Terry Quinn, who was being promoted as an alternative to Quayle. News also said the company was comfortable that the selection process was moving well.
 

applesauce

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News have first and last rights till 2027 (something that the QRL did remove 6months ago in negotiations but now it's back for some reason).

If say 7 get the rights from 2013, do News still get First and Last in the following deals?

Or

Would it be better to wait till the clubs licenses expire and start fresh?
 
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The QRL has every right to keep control of the game in Queensland. They have every reason to fear a Sydney-centric NRL taking over across the board. The QRL does a great job in its jurisdiction. It runs a very successful second tier league, administers grassroots competitions that are growing, runs senior leagues across geographical areas most would struggle to comprehend and has an elite state side that beats the shit out of its bigger and more wealthy opponent year on year. The QRL is not the problem. It has the interestes of RL in Qld at heart. Whose interests are the clubs and News Ltd looking after?
 

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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...ger-bubbles-over/story-e6frg7mf-1226047253498

Commission anger bubbles over

Brent Read
From: The Australian
April 30, 2011 12:00AM

FRUSTRATION over constant delays in the formation of the independent commission spilled over yesterday as NRL clubs went on the attack, demanding the Australian Rugby League and News Limited clear the way for its creation by the end of next week.

ARL chairman John Chalk responded to the calls last night by acknowledging the process had been delayed, but suggesting it was highly unlikely the deadline could be met.

That won't please the clubs, who have become increasingly angry over the delays in the commission's formation and could only look on in envy on Thursday as the AFL announced its billion-dollar broadcasting deal.

It was noticeable in the statement released by the clubs yesterday that reference was made to their licensing agreements, which expire at the end of the year. The most extreme implication from that would be the clubs will break away and form their own competition if the process continues to be stalled.

That appears a long shot, although several significant impediments remain. The most pressing issue remains the clubs' insistence that News Limited agrees to a non-compete clause, which would stop the media giant forming a rival competition as it did with the Super League war more than a decade ago.The Australian revealed the clubs' desire for a non-compete clause last month, predicting at the time that it could become a stumbling block to the commission's formation.

News last night described the demands for a non-compete clause as "defying logic".

"We have always said we would consider a non-compete agreement on reasonable commercial terms if one was proposed," a News spokesman said.

"We have not received any such proposal. However, the prospect of such an agreement defies logic. News has a first and last (right of refusal) over the TV rights.

"Why would any non-compete agreement be required?"

While the non-compete is a significant issue, it isn't the only one at play. The clubs regard the Queensland Rugby League as an ongoing impediment to the commission's formation, while the final eight commissioners are yet to be finalised, although at least six are believed to be in place.

"The NRL club chairmen were concerned that two key agreements necessary for the formation of the independent commission have still not been finalised despite lengthy negotiations," the statement from the clubs said.

"The meeting received a report that the members agreement has not been finalised due to the insistence by the QRL that its sovereignty over Queensland rugby league be enshrined, while the partnership dissolution agreement has not been finalised due to the reluctance of News to provide a commitment that it will not start any future competition which competes with the NRL.

"It is a matter of considerable concern to the Chairmen that the formation of the independent commission, designed to free rugby league once and for all of vested interests, is being delayed by such issues.

"The formation of the independent commission has always been of fundamental importance to the future of the game. With the commencement of negotiations for the new media rights deal now overdue, with the AFL apparently having now negotiated a lucrative media rights deal, and with the licences of all NRL clubs expiring at the end of this season, the immediate formation of the independent commission has now become critical.

"The NRL clubs call on the ARL and News to finalise all outstanding agreements to allow the formation of the independent commission within the next seven days for the benefit of everyone in the game, and to respect the time frames for the formation of the commission, which they, themselves, have set."

Chalk suggested the seven-day deadline wasn't achievable given lawyers were still wading through documents.

"I think a lot of people are frustrated," he said. "But there's a process going on.

"That's the way it is when you get lawyers involved."
 
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"Why would any non-compete agreement be required?"


1. These News germs have tried to destroy RL before by starting another competition for their own financial gain, but now we are just expected to take their slimy word for it.

2. If the non-compete agreement is so absurdly arbitrary, as News is saying, why don't they just sign it and move on?
 

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"Why would any non-compete agreement be required?"


1. These News germs have tried to destroy RL before by starting another competition for their own financial gain, but now we are just expected to take their slimy word for it.

2. If the non-compete agreement is so absurdly arbitrary, as News is saying, why don't they just sign it and move on?

Indeed.

News are probably worried about the legal ramifications i.e. what if a different competitor comes in (either from outside the game or within) and the league is divided again - would News sign with the competitor for rights or the commission's league? If they sign with the competitor, then does that then breach the non-compete agreement etc?

However they need to agree to it as their loyalty is to their own company and profit margins, not rugby league.
 

docbrown

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News have first and last rights till 2027 (something that the QRL did remove 6months ago in negotiations but now it's back for some reason).

If say 7 get the rights from 2013, do News still get First and Last in the following deals?

Or

Would it be better to wait till the clubs licenses expire and start fresh?

Has it definitely been confirmed that the negotiators have conceded the first & last rights till 2027 again?

I seriously hope they haven't...
 

applesauce

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The article above by Roy I posted says it is. But I remember when everyone was calling for the QRL's head about 6months back (before the News delays) they came out and said they removed the first & last by News from the table in the negotiations.
 

docbrown

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The article above by Roy I posted says it is. But I remember when everyone was calling for the QRL's head about 6months back (before the News delays) they came out and said they removed the first & last by News from the table in the negotiations.

Well this is the first article I've seen that mentions it still being in existence. There may be others but I haven't seen any.

I was still under the impression that subscription first & last rights had been peeled back at first from 2027 to 2017 and then finally just to 2012 (i.e. the current negotiation).

I notice that the article doesn't actually say 2027 though. - Edit: looked at the wrong article, apologies.

Can anybody confirm that it has 100% definitely been conceded again through to 2027?

I'm seriously hoping that it's a mistake.
 
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applesauce

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It does say it. You must of missed it:

News representatives are mystified by the demand for a non-competitive clause as the company has already been granted the first and last rights of refusal on any television deal until 2027 - the reason Rupert Murdoch launched the Super League raids on the game in 1995.

Ctl+f (2027)
 

docbrown

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It does say it. You must of missed it:



Ctl+f (2027)

Yeah sorry, I looked back up at the wrong article and edited my post.

I really hope it's just a case of poor journalism. I notice that 2027 isn't a direct quote and I hope that's it just old information that's lazily slipped through to the keeper.

If it is true though I can't believe that this isn't a news story in and of itself and that it has just been casually slipped into the article.
 

docbrown

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First and last rights of refusal has little to do with the non-compete.

They can knock back the commission's offer and then go approach clubs directly or start new clubs etc. It's not a security blanket to prevent the formation of another league.

However all that said - if First & Last Rights have been conceded again - if it's true, why isn't this on the backpage? It's a big story.

The whole point of the IC is to break away from News Limited's influence - if 2027 is set in stone again we're subserviant for a very long time.

Attention lurking journos - go break this story.
 

docbrown

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Wait...can someone explain the first and last rights thing?

It's just a contractural term which means that before any other bidders can vie for a property (i.e. the rugby league rights) that the seller must first receive a bid from the previous owner (in this case 9/Foxtel) based on the original terms of agreement (i.e. 3 games per week + finals + reps)

After that other bidders can enter the auction. However - in the case of first & last rights, the original bidder reserves the right to match the highest bid of any of the other competing parties.

In the NRL's F2A clause though it states that these rights are negated if a competing bidder exceeds 20% above the terms of the first bid. So say if 9 open with say $300 million and 7 counter with $361 million, then the last rights are negated and the original terms of agreement are no longer applicable.

What's good about that is that at that point, the NRL would no longer be obliged to inform 9 of what the other parties are bidding and so they would be required to estimate what would be a competitive bid which is to the NRL's advantage.

The best thing that could happen is that 9 & Foxtel put in their bid for the 8 games - then 7 & 10 (if they can put their mutual animosity aside) immediately out bid the first & last rights for the entire package (which is why it's so important to know what the new F&L rights foxtel agreement with IC will be).

In that way they not only dwindle their competitors' cash reserves - but it allows the game to be broken up with the networks fighting for individual pieces. Then at that point the NRL/IC can bring in potential new timeslots, a 9th game and changes to lead-ins and ad breaks that complicate the negotiations further. Under that scenario 9 & Foxtel would have to pull something big out of their hats in order to keep their current domination.
 
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Paul J

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The problem is that under the peace treaty from 1998, News Ltd own the game until 2018. If we wait until 2018 to get rid of News we won't be able to negotiate a broadcast deal without News Ltd's conflict of interest until a 2023-2027 deal. We'll be dudded until then.

News know this so they have offered to leave now but will try to screw us for all their worth on the way out.
 
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