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RL independence day arrives - NRL Independent Commission announced for November 1

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Titanic

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I agree with your agreeing except that nothing has changed. If News hadn't been involved previously rugby league would be the truly national code it aspires to be now.
 

Quidgybo

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No Leigh.

I would be happier if they left now.

But there is no way any concessions should be granted.
Then you must be happy with the status quo, right? Because nothing else but the status quo is realistically going to happen earlier without some sort of compromise. You want to have your cake and eat it too.


Bottom line is that the Eels need to go well. That is exactly what I want.


Now you can go back to putting words in your own mouth and not mine.
I'm just trying to understand what your position is. Are you for some sort of earlier reform, and if so how are we *realistically* going to achieve it? Or are you for the status quo? Because when I hear you saying that we should just wait another six years and that we should make no concessions to bring reform sooner, it sounds like you're for the status quo.

Leigh.
 

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Deadline passes, but commission is 'getting there'

Adrian Proszenko, Josh Rakic and Daniel Lane

May 1, 2011

ARL chairman John Chalk yesterday broke his silence on the stalled negotiations for the independent commission as yet another supposed new dawn for rugby league goes by today without the new governing body being in place.
News Ltd had trumpeted today as being the day it would walk away from its joint ownership of the sport, but the independent commission is still not ready because the media giant, the ARL, the QRL and the NRL clubs have not been able to agree on several key issues.

Chalk said he was keen to see people with rugby league in their blood on the commission, not necessarily captains of industry.

''There are three lots of lawyers in this and there's a lot of contracts to be dissolved,'' he said. ''There's a myriad of companies involved that need to be taken out of the equation and the lawyers have been working on it every day for three months. The rest of it is pretty much on track. The devil is in the detail.

''We've only got one shot at it and we've got to get it right.''

When asked about the stumbling blocks, such as the demand for News to sign a non-compete clause, he said they were ''toing and froing'' on the issues with the media group.

''At the moment, it's lawyers at 40 paces. It's been, at times, frustrating. But we're getting there. To me it [News's April 30 deadline] was always going to be a problem.

''We've got consensus on people and then those people need to accept positions. I certainly want them to have a feeling for sport and know about sport. They should have a feeling for rugby league and its tribalism. There's a lot of emotion involved in sport. I imagine some of the people who were approached were quite strange. They may be captains of industry, but they love the arts and sciences - we're people who run around the grass in coloured shirts and socks and footballs in our hands colliding with one another. I want people who like rugby league and are passionate about it. I don't particularly care which state they come from.''

NRL boss David Gallop said the process of forming the independent commission was frustrating for everyone, including the fans.

''Everyone's intensely interested in it, but it's important that the current issues in the game are dealt with without the restructure being a distraction,'' Gallop said. ''I think we've done a pretty reasonable job of that over the past year or so. It's been a difficult time to be involved in the administration. The good news is that the commission is the right move for the game, it's just a matter of getting all the pieces of the jigsaw together.

''It's obviously got a bit of a way to go. It's not a matter of a week away. It's a work in progress. There is a raft of contractual arrangements. Some of which are closer to completed than others. And then the dissolution of the existing bodies and then hopefully we can hit the ground running and get those eight people across all structures and strategic plans. There will be a big induction process for the eight commissioners and we are already doing some planning for that.

''We've helped put together some material for prospective commissioners but beyond that we will get involved with the contractual documents as they get done. But beyond that, it is really a matter between the ARL and News Ltd. I have a lot of people talk to me about a lot of issues but I'm not directly involved in sitting down to negotiate those issues. We have a process ready to go with external experts like Colin Smith and the group of club CEOs, so that everyone is consulted along the way.''

Former Brisbane international Shane Webcke said rugby league had always suffered from people in power wanting to preserve their spots.

''I think a big part of the reason this independent commission has been hard to get together is because of the vested interests and the long-term interests of a lot of people,'' he said. ''And the fact they want the independent commission is a credit to them because the people involved have set themselves up around the income and lifestyle derived from their positions in rugby league.

''I understand that [to relinquish power in such a circumstance is hard], but that is the challenge. People say, 'Put the game first', but if you are relying on the game to determine your income and lifestyle it would be hard to follow the call to put the game first. That's human nature.

''But it is important to get it across the line, all of the great things we've talked about [that the independent commission could bring] will drip away unless rugby league can get up and stretch it's legs.
''I've read with interest that a bloke like John Quayle - and I am talking as a Queenslander who grew up in the Quayle-Ken Arthurson era - is not guaranteed a place. If you talk to those people who know, John Quayle is unquestionably one of the great administrators in Australian sport and he also ranks highly around the world [through his involvement in the Olympic movement]. So, why isn't he an automatic selection for the commission? I don't get that.''

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...tting-there-20110430-1e1z5.html#ixzz1L1UXxH2y
 
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''We've only got one shot at it and we've got to get it right.''

Exactly. People want to push this through and accept whatever nonsense News Ltd wants to include.

What people have to remember is News wants to get the best deal it can NOW rather than wait a couple more years and have the ARL and the clubs realise they can just wait them out. News has the TV rights sewn up till 2017 under the 1997 agreement. This way they can essentially sew them up till 2027 AND keep their puppet Gallop in for at least three more years AND avoid promising to never set up a competition in opposition to the NRL.
 

siv

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Firstly we cannot wait till 2018 as there is guarantee in the peace deal that News Ltd will walk away

The QRL have a strong state comp I have no issues with that, and we have seen the impact of Canberra / Newcastle and Illawarra to the local comps and a lesser extent Brisbane and Auckland

TV rights deal as a fan I don't care as long as it is on TV and no 2nd Friday night match and no MNF

But the longer this goes on the more noise gathers for the 16 clubs to abandon the current NRL arrangement and restart a new Super League break away again

But lets not beat around the bush the Qld Cup is only a merged Brisbane City / Qld Country Division comp that is working very well, but not a open reserve grade comp

Where NSW can achieve the same result by merging the Bundy Cup and NSW Divisional Championship and support its development for 10 years
 

Titanic

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ECT ... that's exactly right. I would like to have an independent commission but at what cost? I doubt we can "wait them out" but I do think we can work them out without dropping our draws for the clubs either.
 

Parra

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If this proposed commission is "independent" then Woolworths really are the "fresh food" people.
 

supera

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the whole debacle shouldve been sorted - we were led to believe it had been when they announced a deadline.

its now affecting tv rights because we'll have less time to negotiate the best possible deal.

it has also effectively ruled out some high quality expansion opportunities because we dont have the chance to factor it into tv rights negotiations.

as a fan of the game who wants to see it grow as much as possible, this has become immensely frustrating.
 
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I have an idea, all the clubs are together in wanting and independent commission, the other parts of rugby league are relatively in agreement for an AFL type commission. The only stumbling block is News limited, wanting certain clauses/money/tv rights guarantees.. etc. Therefore just start a new rugby league competition/organisation without them. If they try to take us to court let them...we have the moral right as a sport to rule ourselves. They have had years on years of leeching our code, it should stop now, and if the law doesn't support us....then the law is an ass.
 

Quidgybo

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John Qualye will be included on the Commission.

He will be the commissioner from within the game. Other commissioners might have played league but will not have made their career within the game. Qualye became CEO when the game was at its lowest ebb. Unattractive on the park, low crowds, semi professional with clubs being staffed by bricklayers and surviving on chook raffles. He brought the game back and to the brink of full professionalism. He took a suburban Sydney comp and brought expansion to Brisbane, Newcastle, Townsville and Auckland. He brought unprecedented interest from television. He introduced the salary cap. He saw the war from ground zero and kept the resistance alive. He left when he saw that he had become one of the problems.

At some stage in the next six years, Gallop will decide to move on or be moved on by the Commission.

Early candidates to be the next CEO...

From within the NRL executive, Bill Harrigan. He is the most experienced controller of the game on the field in the last twenty years, both in terms of feel for the flow of the game and in terms of spirit and interpretation of the rules. He knows the politics of Rugby League. He is confident and a proven decision maker and innovator. He has worked within NRL operations since the beginning and now within the executive. He has been labeled arrogant but does publicly admit when he thinks he was wrong.

Michael Searle is the rising star administrator from within the clubs. In the last ten years he has formed a new club in a market that has proven hard to crack, got that club a stadium, built a center of excellence for that club, got a stable football department, and a competitive team on the field. The club has incurred debt but is profitable. He has become a major player within the game, bringing the clubs together as a block. He has used this to lead the push for the formation of a Commission and ejection of the ARL and News Ltd from control.

Within four years of leaving as CEO, David Gallop will be appointed as a commissioner from within the game. As CEO he has over seen the introduction of a new side on the Gold Coast, likely expansion to Perth and either Brisbane or the Central Coast, record crowds and television ratings. He knows how the NRL works, how the politics of it work and how to run it. He has seen growth in the NRL television revenue from $50m per year to about $90m and perhaps $200m with the next deal. He has experience handling bad publicity and putting measures into place to address causes of bad publicity. He has handled scandals.

Gallop might or might not take John Qualye's spot after Qualye retires but his position won't depend on it. They may serve together for a time. It will become a tradition that former CEOs are appointed to the Commission a few years after leaving the top job.

Leigh
 
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applesauce

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@emigrated roughyed, They can do that at the end of the year when all the NRL club licences expire. It won't happen though, too many SL scars.
 

applesauce

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Mortimer's timely visit to News chief

HIS passion for rugby league can never be questioned. Wanting to ensure the independent commission was on track, league legend Steve Mortimer organised a meeting yesterday with News Limited chairman and chief executive John Hartigan. The meeting came as well-placed sources believe the commission is "very close" to being finalised.

"I have always been a friend with John Hartigan and he is a man I greatly respect," he said. "I left the meeting with a smile on my face."

He ruled out any interest in a commission spot, however.
 

Quidgybo

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With all due respect to Mortimer and all the other candidates from within the game, it simply has to be John Qualye. He is by far the most qualified "Rugby League" man of those eligible and available to sit on the inaugural commission.

Leigh
 

Parra

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I'm just trying to understand what your position is.

I think I have made it clear. Look beyond the hype, and the doomsday scenarios.


The NRL is generating more money and interest than ever before. It is so successful that the biggest media company in the world it doing all it can to extend it's monopoly over the broadcast rights for as long as possible.

The NRL is so important to the growth and ongoing profits of Fox Sports and Foxtel that moves are being made now to shore up the TV rights. The TV company wants to act now, not wait and be forced in a few years time.

We are seeing the same tactics used that we saw with the SL fiasco. The same lies, the same attempts to run the game down, to drive down the value, to convince people that "something needs to be done". It was bullshit back in 1995 and it is bullshit now.

The game is thriving. It is dominating TV ratings and breaking it's own records each year. Despite all their efforts, interest in other sports remains static. AFL flounders around, it's only bragging rights is Melbourne attendance figures; Soccer's A-League is a joke; rugby's ARC has come and gone.

Cricket would be the best comparison for league. Another sport that dominates it's ratings, has a strong but limited international schedule and strong domestic rivalries. It is also generating new interest with the Big Bash competition. It is genuinely growing, unlike the clumsy AFL attempts which need to be subsidised for who knows how long.
 

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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/nrl/new-nrl-body-in-progress/story-e6frfgbo-1226050745940

New NRL body in progress

Dean Ritchie
From: The Daily Telegraph
May 06, 2011 12:00AM

SLOWLY but surely rugby league's new independent commission is taking shape.

The Daily Telegraph has been told that six commissioners have been identified and indicated they will accept the positions.

That leaves two more to be finalised before the commision is announced in the coming weeks.

While the six candidates have not formally agreed they appear to certain to take their places.

There are still several issues to be resolved before the commissioners are announced but there is nothing, according to well-placed sources, that could derail the entire operation.

"It is very close to being finalised," the source said.

"The commission is starting to take shape.

"There are six names there and they seem happy to b

Neither News Ltd nor the ARL though are prepared to leak any names of the six candidates.

Another meeting of the group in charge of finalising the commissioner - News Ltd chief operating officer Peter Macourt, ARL chairman John Chalk, QRL director Terry Mackenroth and South Sydney chairman Nicholas Pappas - is scheduled shortly.

Despite a strong push, it seems former NSWRL boss John Quayle will miss out.
 

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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...eague-commission/story-e6frg7mf-1226053533401

Club fears stall new rugby league commission

THE game is poised to settle on the eight people to take it forward as early as tomorrow, but the independent commission appears no closer to fruition despite News Limited preparing to offer a guarantee there will be no repeat of the Super League war for at least five years.
NRL clubs, whose chief executives will meet in Sydney tomorrow to discuss the commission among other matters, are pressing the game's half-owner, News Limited, to sign a non-compete clause as part of its exit from the game - the media giant and the Australian Rugby League share ownership of the NRL.
Publisher of The Australian, News Limited is believed to be moving towards offering a five-year agreement to the club chairmen, although it appears that may not be enough to remove the hurdle altogether. One club source suggested the offer should be dismissed out of hand.
On the other hand, News Limited has outlined its concerns over signing a non-compete in the past - namely because such clauses are usually accompanied by financial compensation.


Furthermore, News Limited argues it is already handing over its half of the game, a move it says should be enough to convince others of its intention not to start a rival competition.

The issue has been bubbling away since the start of March, when it was revealed by The Australian. Since then, talks have been going on behind the scenes without being able to reach agreement on the way forward. It remains one of the major issues preventing the commission's formation.
The other is the stance adopted by the Queensland Rugby League over its place under the commission. The QRL will meet on Friday to discuss the issue.

"There's a few things to be sorted out," QRL chairman John McDonald said.
The flow-on effect from that has been the game's inability to open crucial negotiations over the next broadcast deal, which could net the game more than $1 billion.

Furthermore, clubs were hoping for an instant injection of funds with the commission's formation, some of which was expected to be passed on to players.
It has been estimated the commission could release as much as $10 million in additional funds next season, meaning clubs could share more than $500,000 each.
The players' union has already suggested it would like the salary cap to go up by at least $100,000 next season.
Without the commission, that may not happen, creating the prospect of the impasse spilling over to the players and the NRL.
It shapes as a major issue at tomorrow's chief executives meeting, where NRL chief executive David Gallop and ARL chief executive Geoff Carr will provide an update on proceedings.
The chief executives conference won't be the only important meeting taking place tomorrow.
The commission's selection panel, minus News Limited's Peter Macourt who is overseas, will meet to finalise the game's inaugural eight commissioners.
It is understood as many as seven are already in place, leaving the parties to determine the final position.
There were suggestions the ARL made a belated attempt to have former chief executive John Quayle appointed to the commission, but it failed.
Another major issue on hold due to the commission impasse is expansion.
South Sydney yesterday announced it would take a game to Perth for the next three seasons and chief executive Shane Richardson challenged the people of Western Australia to show they deserved a team.
"It's really important to show how serious the people of Perth and Western Australia are about getting their own team back in the NRL and that they show that by coming to this game in June," Richardson said.

Seems odd that News Ltd are only prepared to offer a guarantee of 5 years that they wont start up another competition...

Are they just being intentionally difficult?
 

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Even if News promised not to start a rival comp, would that stop anyone else trying the same thing, with the possibility of News being involved in broadcasting that rival comp at some time down the track?
 
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