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RL independence day arrives - NRL Independent Commission announced for November 1

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1 Eyed TEZZA

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Phil Gould isnt exactly the biggest fan of the current ARL admin either. Im sure if it was up to him, News would be gone and the ARL would be running things again with completely new admin. Id be happy with that or the clubs and ARL 50/50.
 

m0nty

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Roy Masters seemed less enthused - then again, maybe he doesn't want his snout in the trough either.

Roy is a Fairfax man, and has thrown his lot in with Ribot purely to oppose News. Predictable as bogans on Bondi beach.
 

Goddo

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I think thats the cruix of the argument.

I don't mind if it ends up 50/50 clubs/state rl's, or 80% clubs 20% RL's with special veto powers as currently proposed. Either can work.

But in order for 50/50 to work, the RL's need to be pretty much dismantled and rebuilt from the ground up, and there can't be any appointed positions... we need full acountability and to run the various bodies as businesses. But would the RL's agree to being rebuilt? QRL seems dead against ANY change... this has more to do with the personality politics within that organisation, the very thing that we need to get rid of.

A broom needs to go through the whole system, get rid of the dead wood and eliminate possible areas (such as state RL's) which can be corupt within the new structure (whatever it is).

Personally, I think what is on the table now is a good system, it will address a lot of the issues in the game. As I see it, a big problem remains to be the old blazer wearing institutions in the game resisting change and loss of power. Others may see it differently. I guess it depends on how much faith you have in those organisations. The super league war destroyed any I had in any of our current organisations, which is why I am pro reform.

However it goes, I think it needs to happen this year, or we will be in for another dud TV deal...
 
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I'd trust Roy over virtually any other person in RL. And Gould is much a fairfax employee as Roy is. Roy is pretty much the only person in the media who is exposing things like the underselling of the TV rights and other dodgy NRL deals. He is probably the kind of person you'd want on the commission, except he probably wouldn't put his hand up because he hasn't got the ego that someone like Gus has. News Ltd probably wouldn't be too keen on him being elected either. The commission needs to be a mix of capable business people and people who are passionate about the game and know it inside out. Roy would fit the latter perfectly.
 

Titanic

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What are the NSWRL/ARL to be repentant for?

Raising RL to the status of No1 footy code in the country?
Creating the biggest sporting series/most watched TV program in the nation - Origin?
Being so successful at marketing & expanding the sport in the 80's & 90's that RL became the one "must have" in order for a Pat TV network to be successful in Australia?

For being so successful and right that one of the worlds biggest corporate bullies failed in a hostile takeover and was forced to the negotiating table?

or for sticking up for the sport right now, when all the corporate bully and the private owners can see is a chance to grab the cash that they craved last time around?

Mate - I am a staunch ARL (as an institution) supporter but I cannot go passed a system that allowed what happened in the Humphries/Arthurson era and is still happening in the Love/Livermore era.

Sure a lot of great things have happened, not the least of which was standing up during the SL debacle, that's the strength of the sport, but that doesn't mean we can't do it better.

Getting the focus on administration and away from personalities without bending over for the clubs would be a healthy start, imho.
 

El Diablo

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http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...weary-of-commission-delays-20100221-onyi.html

Greats grow weary of commission delays
GLENN JACKSON
February 22, 2010

THE push towards an independent commission has done some funny things to rugby league's finest, but in this case it has brought about almost the unthinkable: forcing one of NSW's best to side with Queensland.

Steve Mortimer, the first NSW player to captain the Blues to a State of Origin series victory, said he could understand the Queensland Rugby League's reluctance to allow the commission to be established, due to what he felt was an ''inept'' NSWRL during the past decade.

''I guess in recent years, the QRL have maybe been showing their frustration,'' the former Canterbury halfback said. ''I believe they are a better-run entity than the NSWRL.

''Therefore they are frustrated because the administration over the last 10 years has been very much below par. They're going to have to fall on their sword because of the inept management by the NSWRL.

''I can understand their frustration, but the QRL can take heart that this body will be independent.

''They won't have to be wrestling with the NSWRL any more.''

While the push towards a commission continues, it does so at a slower rate than many had hoped, with the QRL seen as the biggest obstacle. Mortimer, one of NSW's greatest players, is one of the few to have publicly expressed support for the body, which has attracted heavy criticism for standing in the way of the game achieving independence.

The murmurings of discontent are still strong. While Mortimer offered support, two of the game's most revered administrators, Ken Arthurson and John Quayle, have criticised the QRL for standing in the way of the commission.

Quayle said the game needed an independent commission to take full advantage of the next television rights deal, and said the QRL's stance reminded him of their backing of Perth entrepreneur Alistair Norwood to take the Brisbane franchise when the Broncos entered the competition.

''Nothing's changed,'' Quayle said. ''They didn't support the Broncos, they didn't approve of the Gold Coast and they didn't approve of North Queensland. I'm not surprised at all. Why is Queensland opposed to this?''

Of the commission itself, Quayle said: ''We're well behind on that one. It must happen.''

Ken Arthurson, who formed the formidable administrative combination with Quayle, encouraged News Limited, the Australian Rugby League and the heavyweights behind the commission to sit down in a room and lock the door until an agreement is reached.

''Otherwise it'll just go on and on and on and on … it's ridiculous,'' Arthurson said. ''We're facing serious and formidable opposition from the other codes. If we remain a fragmented organisation, we're going to find it bloody hard to withstand those threats.''

Like Quayle, Arthurson encouraged the parties to look beyond state lines and petty squabbling.

''People have got to get beyond that,'' Arthurson said. ''The game is the most important thing. It drives me crazy, all this procrastination. I think it's something they've got to go on with and go on with fairly quickly.

''I understand there's one or two points of issue, but I don't think they should present much of a stumbling block. The way the game is at the moment, we're a fragmented body.

''We really need to be unified, particularly if we're going to withstand the other codes.''
 

bartman

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Lazy journalism, playing the NSW v Queensland card without really letting the legitimacy of the issues raised by the QRL (as verified by Mortimer) stand for itself.
 

m0nty

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Lazy journalism, playing the NSW v Queensland card without really letting the legitimacy of the issues raised by the QRL (as verified by Mortimer) stand for itself.
Mortimer was telling the QRL to get off their arses and stop obstructing the IC. As an aside, he attacked the NSWRL. How exactly does that support your position of letting the ARL appoint half the commissioners? Mortimer is saying the ARL is not fit to run the game any more.
 

bartman

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So do you think the NSW v Qld angle was lazy journalism, or not? Nothing to do with how/whether it supports my own view of how the IC should be formed....

But since you brought it up, Mortimer is attempting to "understand [the QRL's] frustration" but trying to add his own spin that "the QRL can take heart that this body will be independent" - whatever that means :lol:.

Independent Commission - great idea.
Clubs electing/appointing all 8 commissioners - bad idea.
Clubs and "the game" (ie. RLs) sharing the election/appointment of 8 commissioners 50-50 - great idea.
Suggestion that all elected/appointed commissioners have to be approved by (a weighted) 75% of all electing/appointing individuals (ie club reps and RL reps) - fantastic safeguard.

What does News Ltd have to be scared of here...? Why are they holding up the formation of an Independent (and representatively elected) Commission...?
 

m0nty

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Okay bartman, so you're on board with the QRL wanting veto power over every commissioner, as per their letter. Do you understand how unworkable that is? It would make the commission like the UN Security Council, where everyone has veto power and nothing serious ever gets done. We'd be sitting here until 2018 when the News contract expires, giving the AFL a free kick to establish its beachhead in western Sydney.

It's the QRL that is holding up the IC, and no one else. Even the NSWRL, busted arse outfit that it is, has managed to figure out a viable compromise that can move the process forward (giving the RLs veto power over constitutional changes). Mortimer knows that, everyone knows that... except the QRL and its supporters.
 

skeepe

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I find it funny that one of the reasons people are staunchly in favour of the QRL model is that the clubs wouldn't expand the game (not that that makes any sense, because the commission and not the clubs will be making those decisions), while at the same time nailing their colours to the mast of an organisation that, as stated by John Quayle in the above article (and he'd know, given the position he was in at the time), that opposed the introduction of every Queensland team to enter the competition.

Quite funny really.
 

Parra

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What gravy train? Are you suggesting these people are being paid off to support the commission?


Nothing of the sort. But quite a few hangers-on were burnt when the dust settled after the last fiasco. Better for their careers that they try to back the winner, regardless of the merits. Makes for crap journalism though.
 
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News Ltd has colluded with the clubs and written this proposal without the RLs being given a look in and won't accept a compromise from a legitimate governing body of the game and it's the QRL that's holding this up? This nonsense about the QRL holding things up in an effort to put pressure on them to accept News Ltd's plan has tipped this whole issue on its head. What people should be asking is why News Ltd won't accept a deal that will inevitably occur at the end of the 20 year agreement made in 1997 anyway? Even it agreed that the game should revert to 50% ownership by the ARL and 50% from the clubs. But this is their best chance to get rid of the ARL and put the game in the hands of people with a vested interest that they can capitalise on.
 

Brutus

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News Ltd has colluded with the clubs and written this proposal without the RLs being given a look in and won't accept a compromise from a legitimate governing body of the game and it's the QRL that's holding this up? This nonsense about the QRL holding things up in an effort to put pressure on them to accept News Ltd's plan has tipped this whole issue on its head. What people should be asking is why News Ltd won't accept a deal that will inevitably occur at the end of the 20 year agreement made in 1997 anyway? Even it agreed that the game should revert to 50% ownership by the ARL and 50% from the clubs. But this is their best chance to get rid of the ARL and put the game in the hands of people with a vested interest that they can capitalise on.


I would not be surprised if any of this was proven to be true.
 

m0nty

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News Ltd has colluded with the clubs and written this proposal without the RLs being given a look in and won't accept a compromise from a legitimate governing body of the game and it's the QRL that's holding this up? This nonsense about the QRL holding things up in an effort to put pressure on them to accept News Ltd's plan has tipped this whole issue on its head. What people should be asking is why News Ltd won't accept a deal that will inevitably occur at the end of the 20 year agreement made in 1997 anyway? Even it agreed that the game should revert to 50% ownership by the ARL and 50% from the clubs. But this is their best chance to get rid of the ARL and put the game in the hands of people with a vested interest that they can capitalise on.
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So why won't News Ltd accept the QRL compromise? Until anyone can answer that question there can be no other conclusion to draw. They only ever do what's best for them so by demanding the RLs fall into line with their proposal there has to be serious questions asked about this plan. If they were really keen to leave the game they'd accept the compromise. Once they leave the game what do they care who owns the game? Unless getting rid of the ARL and positioning the clubs with all the power is advantageuous for News. When the owners of the game are money hungry clubs and you have a lot of money I can see why News would want them running things instead of a non-profit organisation like the ARL.
 

Rockin Ronny

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whats paranoid about it? Its clear from reports that Searle has consulted News but not the ARL. How can you be paranoid about something that is clearly happeneing?

Searle is obviously a "News Limited" buddy.

He somehow managed to get News Limited (aka NRL) to approve a Gold Coast NRL licence over CC Bears when the Dolphin/Titans had no ground, no name, questionable demographics and a a history of recent failure (which will come again soon - post honeymoon).

Suddenly, he's the head of this push for an "independent" commission!?

Meanwhile, the CC Bears can't even get a commitment for possible expansion from Searle's mates - despite all the obvious benefits AND a TV licence deal coming up.

Until rugby league ends the Arko-type boys' club, the game will just be backwater played in 2 states - severely killing off its potential.
 

El Diablo

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Searle is obviously a "News Limited" buddy.

He somehow managed to get News Limited (aka NRL) to approve a Gold Coast NRL licence over CC Bears when the Dolphin/Titans had no ground, no name, questionable demographics and a a history of recent failure (which will come again soon - post honeymoon).

Suddenly, he's the head of this push for an "independent" commission!?

Meanwhile, the CC Bears can't even get a commitment for possible expansion from Searle's mates - despite all the obvious benefits AND a TV licence deal coming up.

Until rugby league ends the Arko-type boys' club, the game will just be backwater played in 2 states - severely killing off its potential.

what a load of sh*t

does this sound like he's a news ltd buddy?

http://www.smh.com.au/news/sport/bully-boys-back-afl-over-titans/2008/07/06/1215282650283.html
Bully boys back AFL over Titans

Andrew Webster
July 7, 2008


NEWS Ltd - cue Darth Vader theme music from Star Wars - has conflicts of interest plastered all over rugby league. Here's another … We understand the Gold Coast Titans are furious about The Gold Coast Bulletin helping bankroll the region's new AFL team. When the Titans started to sniff out potential sponsors a few years ago, the News Ltd-owned tabloid steadfastly refused to do so in the name of editorial independence. Imagine the Titans' bewilderment, then, to learn that not only has the newspaper become a partner of the consortium expected to be handed the AFL's 17th licence in October but editor-in-chief Bob Gordon is sitting pretty on the board. Many at the Titans - without question the success story of the NRL in recent times - claim "The Bully" is less supportive of rugby league than before. Indeed, the whole thing makes you wonder why News Ltd is supporting an AFL team when it has half-ownership of rugby league? This all comes on the back of former Bulletin managing director Roy Miller being spirited on to the NRL board as one of the media company's appointees. We called News Ltd corporate affairs director Greg Baxter, who said he was unaware of the relationship between the newspaper and the proposed AFL side. He directed us to Gordon, who is yet to return our call.
 
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