Rnd 13: vs Sharks

[BennyV]

hasnt been a less anticipated local derby in years. both clubs struggling bigtime
holdsworth and aidsford should get you home tho.


who the f**k is quinlan?

Pfft, I see your defective back and raise you Dan Hunt, Bronson Harrison and Mitch Rein...

 

[Dezziedc]

Both.
I fear that copping 25-30 tackles a game in the front line will risk injury to our most potent player. I also worry about Quinny's returns with the ball.
Can fathom that.
Mary is trying to stamp his mark on the team which is fine in principle, but I would rather see risks with players like Runci brought in etc

I don't think mary is trying to stamp his mark on the team, I think he's just trying to fill some gaps in the team due to injury.

Firstly, you have Peter on the wing. Who do you put with him? You could say Charly or you could say Quinlan. Firstly, Quinlan is too small to be either a winger or centre, so that rules him out. Secondly, putting Charly in the centres on the same side as Peter makes for 2 virtually inexperienced first grade players defending together. It's an easy target for the opposition. Hell, if I was the opposition coach playing against that I'd have a couple of my big boys standing wide running at those 2 all night. Same with Quinlan, target him at centre or wing and it would be easy meters.

Putting Dugan at centre at least allows for some first grade experience and reasonably good defense in that combination - as it is new there will still be issues to iron out but at least you have a head start experience wise on any of the other combos. You might be risking injury, but it is a better combination than any other one available.

Secondly, given his results at the start of the year (and with the agreement of a lot of posters in this forum) Quinlan should be given as much opportunity in FG as possible. It makes sense to bring him in at fullback as that is where he has performed earlier in the year with great success. Even Mary said in the presser that he was disappointed with Quinlans performance against the rabbits and he needs to put in more. One bad game against a massive side does not immediately rule him out of the side.

In an ideal world we would have BMoz on the wing, Farrel in centre and Dugan at fullback. But we don't and I think this is a reasonable combination until we at least get BMoz back on the park.

 

[Dezziedc]

Does it really matter?
A few of the 20's, Nsw cup....and just Merrin, cooper, frizzel
from 1sts.

As for debelin dan hunt mkII !

Well it actually does.

First of all you need players who are contracted to the NRL - part of the NRL salary cap. I doubt we have any of the 20s that fall into that category and there are probably a fair amount of NSW cup players that don't qualify either.

Secondly, everybody is calling for their heads but nobody has offered up a full set of replacements for the forwards. We have a couple of possibilities in the Cutters but not a whole bunch of them. And even then, by all accounts it doesn't seem like they are performing either.

Thirdly, if the players in the cutters aren't performing, why would you promote them to FG? You want them putting pressure on the FG team, not getting in by default. That doesn't do anybody any good. If I had the attitude of the FG forwards and I got dropped for an existing Cutters player I wouldn't be concerned at all. It would be like a 1 or 2 week holiday before I got slotted back in again - by default.

There are no genuine replacements in the current squad to take up the positions. So it's not like Mary has options - he just needs to try to change the attitudes of this team and work with what he has.

 

[possm]

I don't think mary is trying to stamp his mark on the team, I think he's just trying to fill some gaps in the team due to injury.

Firstly, you have Peter on the wing. Who do you put with him? You could say Charly or you could say Quinlan. Firstly, Quinlan is too small to be either a winger or centre, so that rules him out. Secondly, putting Charly in the centres on the same side as Peter makes for 2 virtually inexperienced first grade players defending together. It's an easy target for the opposition. Hell, if I was the opposition coach playing against that I'd have a couple of my big boys standing wide running at those 2 all night. Same with Quinlan, target him at centre or wing and it would be easy meters.

Putting Dugan at centre at least allows for some first grade experience and reasonably good defense in that combination - as it is new there will still be issues to iron out but at least you have a head start experience wise on any of the other combos. You might be risking injury, but it is a better combination than any other one available.

Secondly, given his results at the start of the year (and with the agreement of a lot of posters in this forum) Quinlan should be given as much opportunity in FG as possible. It makes sense to bring him in at fullback as that is where he has performed earlier in the year with great success. Even Mary said in the presser that he was disappointed with Quinlans performance against the rabbits and he needs to put in more. One bad game against a massive side does not immediately rule him out of the side.

In an ideal world we would have BMoz on the wing, Farrel in centre and Dugan at fullback. But we don't and I think this is a reasonable combination until we at least get BMoz back on the park.

On last weeks performance I would be;

Dropping Quinlan back to the Cutters.
Moving Dugan back to fullback.
Moving Thompson to right Centre.
Promoting one of the big props from the Cutters or NYC to first grade. My team would look like this:

1. Dugan - his best position for the team.
2. Mata'Utia - due to injury to Morris
3. Thompson - solid in defence and shown he can feed Flo
4. Beale - let's hope he has a better game this week
5. Nightingale
6. Widdop - if he has an injured hand he should be rested
7. Marshall - will improve week by week
8. Creagh - prop is his new positon now and into the future
9. Pumipi - Rein is out and I Pumipi goes well
10. Stockwell - let's hope he is over his injury
11. Frizell - is a backrow forward
12. Harrison - needs to run hard on the edge
13. Merrin - needs to organise the middle third defence

14. Ailaomai - it's time to put him to the test
15. Garvey - this is his big chance to get back on track
16. Cooper - is great off the bench
17. De Belin - needs to find form

 

[Dezziedc]

I don't think Thompson is adding anything on the field at the moment, let alone moving him to centre. It could be an option but I don't think it adds any value. We need him to get attitude back and be in the forwards. Alternatively drop one of the forwards and bring Ailaomai in as a replacement IF he is playing well. Is he actually contracted as part of the squad?

And Quinlan has a bad first game back so that's it? My god people, one week everyone is shouting his praises and the next he isn't FG quality.

You either play as the best player in the world week in week out or you are gone - one bad game and its off to the scrap heap. Hate to see you guys actually coaching a team - you'd have a different team every week not giving anyone time to settle. Hey maybe you all could apply for the state of origin gig.

 

[dragonreddy]

I think Possum has the right mix.

As Dezzie said QUINLAN is too small to be a winger or a centre. He should be in the Cutters he just isnt that good of a player to be pushing DUGAN out of position. I dont see QUINLAN as a first grader . Thompson at centre is a good call he has a lot more experience in that position than DUGAN ,we have plenty of second rowers to fill his spotin the pack.

 

[karuah6]

I don't think Thompson is adding anything on the field at the moment, let alone moving him to centre. It could be an option but I don't think it adds any value. We need him to get attitude back and be in the forwards. Alternatively drop one of the forwards and bring Ailaomai in as a replacement IF he is playing well. Is he actually contracted as part of the squad?

And Quinlan has a bad first game back so that's it? My god people, one week everyone is shouting his praises and the next he isn't FG quality.

You either play as the best player in the world week in week out or you are gone - one bad game and its off to the scrap heap. Hate to see you guys actually coaching a team - you'd have a different team every week not giving anyone time to settle. Hey maybe you all could apply for the state of origin gig.

Relax Dezziedc they only want to see their name in print. Some are good but some are bloody useless & couldn't coach if they tried.
We all have our opinions but it would be nice to have a coach with man management skills that can get into the heads of some of the players.

 

[dragonreddy]

I don't think Thompson is adding anything on the field at the moment, let alone moving him to centre. It could be an option but I don't think it adds any value. We need him to get attitude back and be in the forwards. Alternatively drop one of the forwards and bring Ailaomai in as a replacement IF he is playing well. Is he actually contracted as part of the squad?

And Quinlan has a bad first game back so that's it? My god people, one week everyone is shouting his praises and the next he isn't FG quality.

You either play as the best player in the world week in week out or you are gone - one bad game and its off to the scrap heap. Hate to see you guys actually coaching a team - you'd have a different team every week not giving anyone time to settle. Hey maybe you all could apply for the state of origin gig.

Quinlan has had plenty more than one bad First Grade game ,pretty much every time he has played in FG this year he has been very very average,

 

[blacksafake]

I think Possum has the right mix.

As Dezzie said QUINLAN is too small to be a winger or a centre. He should be in the Cutters he just isnt that good of a player to be pushing DUGAN out of position. I dont see QUINLAN as a first grader . Thompson at centre is a good call he has a lot more experience in that position than DUGAN ,we have plenty of second rowers to fill his spotin the pack.

This, Quinlan is a good reserve grader(nothing wrong with that,i wish i was)& will always be.Too small & not robust enough.I'm the first to whinge when we put a second rower out in the centres but at the moment we have no choice.As i've stated before we do miss Farrell big time.

 

[Dezziedc]

Quinlan has had plenty more than one bad First Grade game ,pretty much every time he has played in FG this year he has been very very average,

So basically he fits in with the rest of the team. Actually, very very average is better than 50% of our current team.

 

[Dezziedc]

Quinlan has had plenty more than one bad First Grade game ,pretty much every time he has played in FG this year he has been very very average,

I will have to disagree with you here. He is fine to bring in as a replacement. Not a permanent spot yet as with our full compliment there isn't a spot for him.

I think he performed pretty well in the few games he played at fullback at the start of the year. And again, picking out one persons bad game in a team full of them is witch hunting.

 

[StgeorgeDragons]

hasnt been a less anticipated local derby in years. both clubs struggling bigtime
holdsworth and aidsford should get you home tho.


who the f**k is quinlan?

I said to a couple people they are playing quinlan at fullback

They replied "whos quinlan"

Thought it sums it up quite well.

 

[Slippery Morris]

I think it was worth a go putting Duges at centre and Quinlan at FB. It did not work out well but it was definitely worth a shot. Price was criticized for being to cautious with his selections and now Mary is being criticised for taking a gamble.

Agree with Possum though and maybe put Duges back to FB and Thompson at centre. Thompson's best game so far in the red V was aginst the Storm when he went to centre prior to getting knocked out.

Quinlan is good backup for Duges I would not write this kid off yet.

 

[dragonreddy]

I will have to disagree with you here. He is fine to bring in as a replacement. Not a permanent spot yet as with our full compliment there isn't a spot for him.

I think he performed pretty well in the few games he played at fullback at the start of the year. And again, picking out one persons bad game in a team full of them is witch hunting.

We didn't need a replacement fullback we have one of the BEST, we needed a winger or centre and because of QUINLAN'S lack of size MARY didn't play him there,my point is the same as a lot of others on here that we blunt Dugan's game by putting him in a position he is unaccustomed to fit a bloke with less ability in Dugan's position ,doesn't make sense,not a witch hunt .

 

[Slippery Morris]

Yeah but Duges has alot more NRL experience than others. It backfired but we would not have know otherwise. If he had a blinder which he is capable of then you would think otherwise.

 

[TruSaint]

Quinlan touched the ball 33 times for 50 metres.....................
Playing fullback.

Duges, out of position, with 18 possessions makes 105 metres.

Ohh and by the way Dugan made 22 tackles t Quinlans 7.

Please show me another FB in the comp with 50 metres next to their name.

Experiment failed. Put Dugan back to his position.

 

[Get2dachopper!]

The team looks the strongest with Dugan at fullback.

I don't know about Marshall and Widdop in the halves, they are both similar sort of running 5/8's. We need an organising halfback who can simply keep us in the game with their kicking, like Soward used too. Perhaps put Williams back at 7 and have Marshall play right centre. Marshall should simply be instructed to run and set up his outside man (Like he almost did with Flo against Souths). Forget about trying to kick/organise the team. He may be able to do that at right centre.

 

[Hutty1986]

Jesus that's a poor looking Sharks side. Still not at all confident we'll beat them though.

 

[Drain the Dragon]

Gallen said on radio this morning that he was still a chance to line up.
If he plays, they win.

 

[TruSaint]

Gallen said on radio this morning that he was still a chance to line up.
If he plays, they win.

Sad... but true.

Here's a team with problems beyond comprehension, Asada, coach, etc and the squad they name should offer no resistance... why then do I think we cant win.