Robbie Deans

[hellteam]

When Beale was ruled out, why did that muppet Faingaa come in and not Barnes? All through the cup the Wallabies had been an infinitely better side with Berrick Barnes out there, yet next game he was always back on the bench.

Yeah we were awesome against Russia and USA....

 

[no name]

I think tonight showed the Wallabies are a better side with Barnes in the team.

It was like all WC the Wallabies went out and played their game and said to the ABs this is what we've got. They got to the semi and played exactly the way they did all tournament. The cards were shown early and it was a shit hand.
I really thought Barnes being in the run on was going to be the change or the 'trick' up the sleeve.
He finally got a run after it was too late and picks up man of the match.

 

[Twizzle]

I think Deans is an improvement on his predecessor, but where we go from here I'm not sure.

McKenzie ? dunno

Cooper had 2 bad games but he aint that bad and he was very good at the start of out tournament. Now is the chance to experiment without him as he'll probably be out for a year or so if his knee is gone.

 

[kia ora storm]

Not sure about Deans...he coached the Crusaders well but they also had a team full of stars at the time which helps any coach.

It has to be said that the Oz backline was poor when attacking and you can blame Cooper etc but at the end of the day it comes back to Deans having the balls to drop players and they may have been better having Barnes in at first five v the AB's IMO.

 

[hellteam]

Anyone else see when Cooper was on the bench and he was on his phone? Injured or not, that is not a good look - one you can never see happening under a respected coach.

 

[Suitman]

Anyone else see when Cooper was on the bench and he was on his phone? Injured or not, that is not a good look - one you can never see happening under a respected coach.

Agreed. What the f**k did he have his phone on the bench for anyway?
Bad look for sure. Could wait to twitter the universe I'm betting.

Suity

 

[shiznit]

its interesting.... i find it hilarious that there's a faction out there that think Ewen McKenzie will somehow turn the Wallabies around.

Ive said it on here before.... Quade Cooper's issues are due to Ewen McKenzie's poor coaching.

Instead of fixing Cooper defensive deficiencies the correct way and suffer short term issues... he's decided that short term success of the reds is better than the long term benefit to the actual player.

The sooner Mckenzie stop's hiding Cooper from contact... the sooner the kid will start to even his game out.

i mean... Robbie Deans can hardly throw the kid in the front line of the defense at international level if he doesn't event defend there at Super level.

McKenzie will learn very quickly that those bullshit shortcuts work at the lower levels of the game... but in the furnace of a test match... you will get found out.

 

[Butters]

So it's Ewen McKenzie's fault that Robbie Deans doesn't know how to coach the players he's chosen? :lol:

Quade Cooper was given free reign to do whatever he wanted by Mckenzie and it worked to perfection for the reds. Deans limited what Cooper was allowed to do, he forced him to play a more conservative/traditional 5/8 roles and it didn't payoff because Cooper is not that style of player. If he wanted a traditional 5/8 then Berrick Barnes should've been at 10. Don't force Cooper to be someone he isn't. It's like having Carlos Spencer in your side and telling him to play like Jonny Wilkinson, it doesn't make any sense!

But Deans in all his wisdom thought it wise to abandon everything that had worked for the Reds and Cooper and had them play the most conservative defence oriented style you'll ever see. And surprise surprise it didn't work.

So in conclusion Robbie Deans is a bad coach.

 

[shiznit]

So it's Ewen McKenzie's fault that Robbie Deans doesn't know how to coach the players he's chosen? :lol:

Quade Cooper was given free reign to do whatever he wanted by Mckenzie and it worked to perfection for the reds. Deans limited what Cooper was allowed to do, he forced him to play a more conservative/traditional 5/8 roles and it didn't payoff because Cooper is not that style of player. If he wanted a traditional 5/8 then Berrick Barnes should've been at 10. Don't force Cooper to be someone he isn't. It's like having Carlos Spencer in your side and telling him to play like Jonny Wilkinson, it doesn't make any sense!

LMFAO!! what a load of bollocks!!

theres no such thing as a 'conservative/traditional 5/8'. that so called 'conservative/traditional' style of play is actually what a 10 actually does.

It doesnt matter if your Johny Wilkinson or Carlos Spencer... there both first five's... part of there job as first five is to play that 'conservative/traditional' style your talking about.

you compare him with Carlos Spencer... Los' changed up his game all the time... his biggest problem was his judgement and temperament. Very similar to Cooper.

Quade Cooper needs to learn how to be both the brilliant attacking player... and being able to tighten his game up when he needs to.

The fact the kid cant do it once again show's that the coaches at a level below haven't been doing the right thing by Quade Cooper.

But Deans in all his wisdom thought it wise to abandon everything that had worked for the Reds and Cooper and had them play the most conservative defence oriented style you'll ever see. And surprise surprise it didn't work.

Robbie Deans has won 5 Super titles... on the way he's hammered Ewen MacKenzie on multiple occasions.

So Ewen McKenzie's one off super fluke holds little weight here...

Robbie Deans knows that what works in Super Rugby... wont work at test level.

So in conclusion Robbie Deans is a bad coach.

a couple of weeks ago Deans was 'Dingo'... now he's a bad coach... :lol:

Robbie Deans certainly has made big mistakes... but McKenzie wont come in and work miracles...

in fact.... you may find that you go backwards under him...

 

[Butters]

LMFAO!! what a load of bollocks!!

theres no such thing as a 'conservative/traditional 5/8'. that so called 'conservative/traditional' style of play is actually what a 10 actually does.

It doesnt matter if your Johny Wilkinson or Carlos Spencer... there both first five's... part of there job as first five is to play that 'conservative/traditional' style your talking about.

you compare him with Carlos Spencer... Los' changed up his game all the time... his biggest problem was his judgement and temperament. Very similar to Cooper.

Quade Cooper needs to learn how to be both the brilliant attacking player... and being able to tighten his game up when he needs to.

Cooper can mange games, he's shown at S15 and test level that he can lead teams around the park with patience. But when the coach has hobbled you by taking away your best aspects of running the ball and directing you to kick the ball away whenever it's in your half, then it's not a player problem but clearly a coaching one.

The fact the kid cant do it once again show's that the coaches at a level below haven't been doing the right thing by Quade Cooper.

Yeah that's it. The coach who has Quade Cooper carving up teams week in week out is bad while the coach who can't get him to perform is good. :crazy:

Robbie Deans has won 5 Super titles... on the way he's hammered Ewen MacKenzie on multiple occasions.

So Ewen McKenzie's one off super fluke holds little weight here...

Robbie Deans knows that what works in Super Rugby... wont work at test level.

You mean Deans won competitions with a team with Richie McCaw, Dan Carter and half the all blacks side? Woah best coach evar!1!!

How are the crusaders managing to survive without Deans? They've only won 1 title and played in 2 grand finals since he's been gone. Clearlytheir success was all Deans work. :lol:

a couple of weeks ago Deans was 'Dingo'... now he's a bad coach... :lol:

Robbie Deans certainly has made big mistakes... but McKenzie wont come in and work miracles...

in fact.... you may find that you go backwards under him...

Yeah the coach who took the reds from being perpetual cellar dwellers to a S15 champions is such a bad coach. :lol:

Robbie Deans had the most stacked backline the wallabies have had in years and he had them playing like the poms.

 

[shiznit]

Cooper can mange games, he's shown at S15 and test level that he can lead teams around the park with patience. But when the coach has hobbled you by taking away your best aspects of running the ball and directing you to kick the ball away whenever it's in your half, then it's not a player problem but clearly a coaching one.

i agree... McCabe at 12 was wrong.... but lets be honest here... if Quade Cooper wasn't such a weak link in defense they wouldn't have to make adjustments to the defense one of which was to play a defensive center. if McKenzie fixes Quade's defense like he should... you don't have to play McCabe.

Yeah that's it. The coach who has Quade Cooper carving up teams week in week out is bad while the coach who can't get him to perform is good. :crazy:

Carving up who??? were talking TEST rugby... when has Quade Cooper carved up test teams week in, week out??

just in case you dont know... Super Rugby is a level below test rugby.

You mean Deans won competitions with a team with Richie McCaw, Dan Carter and half the all blacks side? Woah best coach evar!1!!

yeah... guys that HE brought through...

Notice how Dan Carter can tackle... notice how the All Blacks have NEVER had to hide him in the defensive line...

thats because Robbie Deans actually made sure that Carter was a complete player BEFORE he made the test team.

How are the crusaders managing to survive without Deans? They've only won 1 title and played in 2 grand finals since he's been gone. Clearlytheir success was all Deans work. :lol:

The Crusaders are a great franchise because of the work Deans, Smith & Blackadder have put into the team. While Deans wasn't alone in creating that culture... you would be stupid to think he wasn't an integral part of there success.

Yeah the coach who took the reds from being perpetual cellar dwellers to a S15 champions is such a bad coach. :lol:

yeah... the coach who got sacked by the Tah's... the same coach that got sacked from Stade Francais because he almost got the european superpower club relegated... the very same coach who went head to head with Robbie Deans over 5 seasons and got an ass-whopping.

yeah... thats the coach... :lol:

Robbie Deans had the most stacked backline the wallabies have had in years and he had them playing like the poms.

:lol:

The most stacked backline the wallabies have had in years yet the majority of them wouldn't be able to make the All Black squad if they were eligible.

 

[Big Sam]

yeah... the coach who got sacked by the Tah's... the same coach that got sacked from Stade Francais because he almost got the european superpower club relegated... the very same coach who went head to head with Robbie Deans over 5 seasons and got an ass-whopping.

To be fair to Ewen, Stade have gone even worse since he left. They are a basketcase of a club and it's unfair to hold his tenure there against him.

 

[Warrior@Heart]

The foward pack at the wallabies is a mess right now, they have some promising players in Horwill & Pocock but the rest would struggle to make other national teams. Samo & Sharpe played reasonably well but are past it. O'connor should be developed at 12 and the team really wasn't good enough to beat the all blacks on a consistent basis. This years Wallabies team lacked the class of the sides which had the likes of Gregan and Larkham and lacked the heart of the sides which had the likes of John Eales and Tautai Kefu. As an all blacks fan we used to fear the Australian backline but this year they just didn't have the personnel to go all the way. Maybe Robbie Deans didn't develop enough of the talent available but in all honesty I don't think they had enough good players. Plus the all blacks are at the peak of a good era if they don't win tommorrow they probably won't win for awhile. Imho wallabies did well to make the semis with their current lineup.

 

[no name]

Robbie Deans knows that what works in Super Rugby... wont work at test level.

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Why does he persist with Quade Cooper at 5/8 then?
That statement there contradicts everything you have said.

 

[hellteam]

Quade doesn't defend at fullback because he can't tackle, its because he is so good at attacking from the position (in super 15 anyway)

Deans problem is that he picked a team around the same principals as the Reds (Quade defend at back, two defensive centre etc etc) but then the tactics he employed were nothing like the Reds at all - which didn't suit the team he had on the park.

 

[aqua_duck]

Quade doesn't defend at fullback because he can't tackle, its because he is so good at attacking from the position (in super 15 anyway).

He's reasonable at attacking from the back but no better than Kurtley Beale who's arguably the best FB in the world. You've gotto be kidding if you think Cooper can actually tackle

 

[aussies1st]

For the Reds it worked nicely as Quade was easily a better kick returner than the fullbacks on offer there. The Wallabies was another story as Beale's strength is his kick return and he never looked the same this season with the Quade switch in play.