Robert Lui???

[bubblesunlimited]

A couple of questions for the Robert Lui supporters.

1. What does he offer the team??

2. How many stupid, ridiculous and crucial errors and missed tackles can he make before we drop him.


He was hopeless, horrendous and pathetic tonight, honestly we may as well have retained the services of John Morris.

Moltzen is the perfect fit at 7 for "our" team and it frustrates me the our head coach can't see it and that people on here and supporters think Robert Lui is the next Ricky Stuart.

Robert Lui is hopeless, he does not run the ball, he has the hands of a double amputee, he is mistake riddled, does not organise, has no kicking game and he is a turnstile in defense.

Get rid of him and put Moltzen at 7.

Lote is back soon, Lote on the wing, Brown to the centres and Moltzen at 7.

f**k I'm frustrated.

 

[simmo1]

LOL @ bagging Lui's defence and kicking game and then campaigning for Moltzen at half.

 

[Eddie.]

I disagree completely. Lui was woeful tonight however he has had some very decent games over the last 12 months. He does have a kicking game and is a dangerous player when on song.
Moltzen is playing terrible footy and should be no where the starting side, let alone starting halfback!!!

 

[super_coach]

On tonight's game alone Lui got the points decision over Moltzen. They both played poorly but Lui was better than Moltzen. I dont know what is the answer but Moltzen is not even playing at state league standard

 

[851]

Miller to 7,he has both Moltzen and Lui covered,we need to sign this kid long term,Lui can leave for all I care,and Moltzen may as well leave too,he is a half,but we have better ones already here in both the 6 and 7.

 

[37916319]

Lui did put in couple nice kicks early and a nice pass to set up Ayshfords try and than did some silly things, but to be fair, they all did.

What we needed tonight was a half with a cool head who could control the game with his (in Moltzens case hers) kicking game and patience. Lui, Moltzen and Miller may all be too inexperienced to take on that roll at the moment so IMO the result would not have been any different.

Put simply the entire team was playing catch up footy and trying to make up for last week, they all tried hard but execution was non existant.

 

[macnaz]

Miller to 7,he has both Moltzen and Lui covered,we need to sign this kid long term,Lui can leave for all I care,and Moltzen may as well leave too,he is a half,but we have better ones already here in both the 6 and 7.

Yep i agree, for those dont watch T cup i suggest you watch one and see how he dominates a game.
I love the fiji flyer on the wing as well .

 

[DanOz]

A couple of questions for the Robert Lui supporters.

1. What does he offer the team??

2. How many stupid, ridiculous and crucial errors and missed tackles can he make before we drop him.


He was hopeless, horrendous and pathetic tonight, honestly we may as well have retained the services of John Morris.

Moltzen is the perfect fit at 7 for "our" team and it frustrates me the our head coach can't see it and that people on here and supporters think Robert Lui is the next Ricky Stuart.

Robert Lui is hopeless, he does not run the ball, he has the hands of a double amputee, he is mistake riddled, does not organise, has no kicking game and he is a turnstile in defense.

Get rid of him and put Moltzen at 7.

Lote is back soon, Lote on the wing, Brown to the centres and Moltzen at 7.

f**k I'm frustrated.

Couldn't agree more. The only thing you left out is how Lui disappears when the pressure is on. Thank god we have Farah.

 

[bubblesunlimited]

Couldn't agree more. The only thing you left out is how Lui disappears when the pressure is on. Thank god we have Farah.

DanOz, 100% correct mate, he plays outside centre in attack and defence.

David Copperfield rings him for tips on disappearing so amazingly in front of so many people.

Tim Moltzen is the right fit for "our" team.

 

[Tigerm]

Yep i agree, for those dont watch T cup i suggest you watch one and see how he dominates a game.
I love the fiji flyer on the wing as well .

I watched my first Toyota Cup game last night, agree with the Fiji Flyer, he certainly has a future.
Miller had a good game, done some dumb things as well though. The NRL is less forgiving, I harp on about experience, but if he is good now he should be better in a year or two as well?
My example of this, would be Lui himself, wasn't he the superstar of the Toyota Cup?
But someone asked the question earlier, do we have a halves coach??? All 3 contenders need some one on one time with someone IMO.

 

[azsportza]

I would like to remind people that Robert Lui has only played 27 games in first grade. He wasn't the worse player on the field. There is rumours flying around on twitter that he has been linked to the Broncos in 2012.

People have called for Tim Moltzen to replace him in the number 7. Watching him last night and since he has moved to the number 4, he is a big HOG of the footy. Moltzen if he is going to go back to the number 7 needs to learn to pass it again. We could of made more breaks if he offloaded it.

 

[jadtiger]

Seriously Moltzen is not the answer his form is abysmal probably because of his injury from last year.He should not even be close to first grade his confidence is shot to ribbons only a spell in reserve grade can reverse it in my opinion

 

[Tigers Tale]

I might be wrong but I think Miller will be a much better half than either Lui or Moltzen. I can see a lot of talent in Lui but unfortuunately I can't see so much in Moltzen. Whether he is coming off an injury or not, he just seems out of his depth..certainly at the moment.

What I do see in Miller, even at this young age is a bit of mongrol and aggression. I know kids can look good in the 20's but I really rate Miller. I'd be signing him way before Moltzen. He is prepared to put his body on the line more than both Lui and Moltzen.

 

[living the dream]

I find it somewhat surprising that there are still supporters on here calling for Moltzen to be selected at 7.
He does not possess the mental or physical toughness required of an NRL player.The disappointing thing about Moltzen is that he does have ability & all the skills to be a dominant player.
However until he grows a heart performances we now see from him will continue until he either takes a long hard look at himself or he just disappears into oblivion.

 

[madunit]

Has anyone here considered the fact that Moltzens form may have, well everything to do with the fact he's

*playing in a position that he's only played in 3 times before, prior to 2011
*Of those 6 games he's played at Centre, 2011 is the first time he's played in the centres on the side of the field he's currently on.
*Is a half
*Has only played 14 of his 47 games in the halves (10 of them at halfback)
*Has had some pretty nasty injuries which take a while to regain your confidence from (however I understand that this will soon become a moot point)

These aren't excuses, these are facts that show he's been played out of position for around 75% of his first grade career thus far.

This alone is enough to make someone low on confidence as they cannot play their natural game, they are being forced to adopt a different style of game. He's playing in a position he hasn't been in 2009 and until he was shifted to centre, he would have been training as a half (as a bench replacement for Lui).

Cut the kid some slack people.

And face Facts, Lui was by far the Tigers worst player last night. His simple knock on and subsequent missed tackle from the scrum gave Penrith their first try. All night his defence was pea hearted. Moltzen may not be much of a defender, but he at least gets his body into a tackle.

Lui is trying to tackle guys with his palms. He is scared in defence. That much is evident.

Lui's kicking game was good, but that was it.

 

[Tigers Tale]

You are right Madunit, we are probably being too harsh on Moltzen, he is probably as frustrated as we supporters are.

I guess my concern is (acknowledging your figures how out of position Moltzen is being played) if a player is going to be something, he will be in most positions. I cite Ben Barba as an example. I think he is a natural half or 5/8 but has adapted to fullback really well. I guess at a pinch he could play centre.

Without putting too much thought into it there have been many players that have played out of position and been better than average in their new position. It is about lifting for the team and putting in an effort no matter where you play. I think you see my point.

At the moment Moltzen is really lacking confidence. Whether it is his recovery from injury or not, I am not sure but I just think he is struggling to play any position well. He needs to resign himself he will not be half (barring injuries) under this current coach so he needs to lift no matter what position Sheens plays him.

 

[living the dream]

Moltzen is not a 15yo child where his peers notice talent & continue to persevere whilst working on his deficiences,he is a grown man regardless of being played out of position in the toughest game of all.If you are not prepared to put your body on the line go looking for work & be a contributor then shuffling him somewhere else is only going to compound the problem.
I watched the Toyota cup game last night & although i cant remember his name the no 4 would have given a lot more involvement, commitment & intensity than Moltzen

Their are no excuses applicable when you reach the NRL,drop Moltzen to the state cup let him play 7 & see how he performs for at this stage their is no place for him in the 17.

Ive had it with Sheens playing favourites.

 

[Sunshine Coast Tiger]

A couple of questions for the Robert Lui supporters.

1. What does he offer the team??

2. How many stupid, ridiculous and crucial errors and missed tackles can he make before we drop him.


He was hopeless, horrendous and pathetic tonight, honestly we may as well have retained the services of John Morris.

Moltzen is the perfect fit at 7 for "our" team and it frustrates me the our head coach can't see it and that people on here and supporters think Robert Lui is the next Ricky Stuart.

Robert Lui is hopeless, he does not run the ball, he has the hands of a double amputee, he is mistake riddled, does not organise, has no kicking game and he is a turnstile in defense.

Get rid of him and put Moltzen at 7.

Lote is back soon, Lote on the wing, Brown to the centres and Moltzen at 7.

f**k I'm frustrated.

Lui had a quiet game last night but anyone that thinks Moltzen has a kicking game anywhere near as good as Lui is not watching the same games I do.

Lui (in my opinion) is a better runner of the ball, has a far superior kicking game, far superior passing game and has better vision/football sense than Moltzen.

As others have said the guy that could take Lui's spot will be Miller not Moltzen.

I don't believe Lui will be at the Broncos next year as he has a contract at the Tigers for next year.

I ask again do we have a specialist halves coach at the tigers?

 

[Old Time Tiger]

Bubbles, get over it. Lui had a shocker very true but over the past few years how many times have others has a shocker? I think of Marshall and how many times did he have a shocker?

How many times did Marshall disappear to the wing?

If Moltzen goes to Souths or Timbuktu, good on him and I hope he gets the big dollars but Lui is the guy we should stick with.

I tend to agree with madunit regarding the positions he has played and the fact he has not been able to settle into a position. This point

This alone is enough to make someone low on confidence as they cannot play their natural game, they are being forced to adopt a different style of game

is a good one and a coach like Bennett would pick up on that and address it not Sheens though. But, I agree with living the dream,

If you are not prepared to put your body on the line go looking for work & be a contributor

well, maybe he won't make it even in Timbuktu. That idea about giving him a run in the NSW Cup at 7 is a great idea, let him play himself into form in that comp in that position.

Bubbles, is your last name Moltzen?

 

[hybrid_tiger]

Lui had a quiet game last night but anyone that thinks Moltzen has a kicking game anywhere near as good as Lui is not watching the same games I do.

Lui (in my opinion) is a better runner of the ball, has a far superior kicking game, far superior passing game and has better vision/football sense than Moltzen.

As others have said the guy that could take Lui's spot will be Miller not Moltzen.

Spot on, I can't believe people think Moltzen has more strings to his bow than Lui.

Moltzen is only in FG right now because he chooses his mates wisely.