Ron Massey Cup/Sydney Shield 2016

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I agree with a few of your points here. But they are a different beast. Obviously they are not a results based on score setup. They are a development squad and resource for blooding Roosters U20s. Surprisingly the non Roosters boys gain a lot in confidence playing in this comp and their football ability improves immensely. In 2015 they had some shocking results but were also competitive in a lot of their games.
There are definite merits in looking at them playing the Shield comp but don't underestimate the opportunities that Kingsgrove has given to many young players. In a short period of time there are quite a lot of Kingsgrove boys out there in the NRL and NSW Cup.

All the teams in RMC are development teams. There is system where every player is allocated points and each club has to comply with a limit. The difference is that most of the other teams in this development competition manage to win 40% of their games.

 

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True but surely they can learn said skills in the shield comp where they aren't just competitive but can gain a sense of winning. The RMC has the potential to be a very formidable 3rd-tier comp but with an opposed bye in Kingsgrove on the fixture list it loses its quality.

I agree, it would also help if things were organised a bit better from the Roosters side. That hopefully will be the case this year

 

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All the teams in RMC are development teams. There is system where every player is allocated points and each club has to comply with a limit. The difference is that most of the other teams in this development competition manage to win 40% of their games.

Thats not true, while there is a pathway component to many of the RM sides they are there to win and compete. Yes there is a points system but thats not a system based on development but a system that equates to the salary cap. Preventing the richer clubs having all the best players.

 

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Thats not true, while there is a pathway component to many of the RM sides they are there to win and compete. Yes there is a points system but thats not a system based on development but a system that equates to the salary cap. Preventing the richer clubs having all the best players.

There are some pub competitions where the competition isn't too serious - this would be ideal for Kingsgrove.

 

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2015 Review - Kingsgrove Colts

1 Asquith 68-4
2 Mounties 72-12
3 Wenty 52-4
4 Windsor 36-10
5 Auburn 48-10
6 Guildford 54-6
7 Blacktown 74-26
8 Bye
9 Cabramatta 46-12
10 Concord Burwood 36-12
11 Wests 36-12
12 Guildford 34-24
13 Mounties 74-6
14 Wenty 60-10
15 Windsor 52-12
16 Auburn 68-14
17 Asquith 68- 4
18 Blacktown 82-6
19 Cabramatta 52-12
20 Bye
21 Concord Burwood 58-18
22 Wests 44-18

Total FOR 232 pts AGAINST 1,114

13 games lost by 40 to76 pts
6 games lost by 24 to 38 pts
1 game lost by less than 24 pts.

Kingsgrove achieved their goal of never winning or even competing. Although the figures are very similar to 2013 Kingsgrove could not repeat their 104-4 loss to Wests in that season.

 

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Back in the real world Wenty beat St Marys in both grades, by 7 tries to 4 in RMC and 5 tries to 4 in Sydney Shield.

Wests beat Concord Burwood 28-26. Wests had 33 players and the RMC started and led 22-0 at half time and extended the lead to 28-6 15 minutes into the second half. Concord Burwood then overran Wests as the Shield players were interchanged into the game but ran out of time.

 

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Mounties rugby league club boasts seven pairs of brothers including two sets of twins, says football manager Steve Litvensky

February 17, 2016 4:40pm
Doug ConwayFairfield Advance

John Kennedy, Maurice Kennedy. Matt Whitehouse, Ben Whitehouse. Moutnies rugby league team has two sets of twins amongst seven sets of brothers.

Brotherly love is working wonders for high-flying Mounties rugby league club, a rarity in world sport that boasts seven pairs of brothers, including two sets of twins.

The strong bonds of kinship, with a bit of sibling rivalry­ thrown in, laid the groundwork for the club’s best year ever, and they are expecting even greater things in 2016.
The Canberra Raiders feeder club were minor premiers last season in the NSW Cup, one rung below the NRL, knocked out in the final by eventual premiers Newcastle.
They produced the competition’s player of the year in second rower Mitch Barnett, and the leading points scorer in Mitch Cornish.
They also won the Ron Massey Cup development level competition, and made the final of the lower grade Sydney Shield. “It’s hard to beat a year like that but we’ve got high expectations,” said Mounties football manager Steve Litvensky.
“We want to win the Ron Massey again and go one step further in the other grades.”

Boosting the Mounties cause this season is the addition­ of Canberra Raiders hooker Glen Buttriss, 30, the club’s biggest ever signing. But their mighty band of brothers looks set to have another huge impact.
They include two sets of twins – backrowers Matt and Ben Whitehouse, of Smithfield, and John and Maurice Kennedy, a fullback and five-eighth combo from the northern beaches.
“It’s like one big family playing at this club,” said John Kennedy.


“Everyone gets along, and everyone is treated the same, no matter which team you are playing in.

“It’s very professional, without being professional.”
Brother Maurice agreed, saying he loved playing with his sibling in a welcoming family environment.
Brothers, especially twins, had an advantage over other players, he said, because they were so familiar with each other’s styles and seemed to know what the other was thinking.
“Brothers do everything together, you know how it is,” he said. “Every day you’re out in the back yard mucking around.
“I can look at him (John) a certain way, and I know what he’s going to do.”
Like many identical twins, the Kennedy boys are not averse to having a bit of fun at the expense of teammates and coaches.
When jerseys and shirts are being handed out, one of the twins will invariably go around for seconds, claiming if questioned that the first jersey went to the other brother.
“They do it all the time,” laughed football manager Steve Litvensky.

 

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Blacktown won both grades against Guildford with a 24-6 result in RMC and 24-22 in SS.

Mounties beat Cabra 40-10 in SS but the RMC result was 22-22. Mounties had to recover from a 22-6 deficit with 20 minutes to go. This is not a bad result considering that Mounties are fielding a side title NSW Cup against Newcastle tonight but there are no Raiders playing so once the proper season commences about 12 or 13 of this side will be in the RMC team.

 

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Ive heard Kingsgrove still don't have a coach for this season. Not a good sign 2 weeks out from the season starting.

 

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Ive heard Kingsgrove still don't have a coach for this season. Not a good sign 2 weeks out from the season starting.

They certainly do have a coach. Can't remember his name of the top of my head, but has been woking with Arthur Katinas at the Roosters and had quite a bit of success over the last couple of years in the SCC Agrade comp.

They have had a pretty decent preseason and a good hit out on the weekend against Pennisula. This was the first time the Roosters boys had been involved but it wasn't too bad, a good effort esp in defense, which showed their preseason effort.

 

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They certainly do have a coach. Can't remember his name of the top of my head, but has been woking with Arthur Katinas at the Roosters and had quite a bit of success over the last couple of years in the SCC Agrade comp.

They have had a pretty decent preseason and a good hit out on the weekend against Pennisula. This was the first time the Roosters boys had been involved but it wasn't too bad, a good effort esp in defense, which showed their preseason effort.

What was the score against Peninsula?

 

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2015 Review - Mounties

Mounties won 18 of the 20 preliminary rounds scoring 722 points and conceding 322 for an excellent differential of 400. After an upset in the first week of the playoffs they recovered to secure the club's first senior premiership since their A grade in 1987.

Mounties, via a JV with the Canberra Raiders, were minor premiers in the NSW Cup and despite hundreds of NRL games in the squad fell at the final hurdle.

Mounties had considerable development achievements as demonstrated the 17 players who appeared in the NSW cup side during 2015 also played RMC or SS as follows:

Cass Aiga - 15 games (NSW Cup), 3 games (RMC)
Dave Cahalane 5 (NSW), 16 (RMC)
Jake Goodwin 4 (NSW), 18 (RMC)
Jarrod Brackenhofer - 4 (NSW), 4 (RMC), 7 (SS)
John Kennedy - 4 (NSW), 20 (RMC)
Joe Rokoqo - 3 (NSW), 19 (RMC)
Justin Lemalu - 3 (NSW), 11 (RMC), 4 (SS)
Kurt Robinson - 2 (NSW), 21 (RMC)
Mitch Beggs - 1 (NSW), 20 (RMC)
Patrick Mago - 16 (NSW), 1(RMC)
Pat Mataele - 20 (NSW), 1 (RMC)
Sam Duggan 21 (NSW), 4 (RMC)
Sam Aiga - 2 (NSW), 19 (RMC)
Sonny Bristow - 4 (NSW), 6 (RMC)
Steve Tavita - 1 (NSW), 22 (RMC), 1 (SS)
Wayne Dargan - 2 (NSW) 12 (RMC), 2 (SS)
Willie Mataka - 14 (NSW), 3 (RMC)

see post 125 for Kingsgrove review.

 

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They certainly do have a coach. Can't remember his name of the top of my head, but has been woking with Arthur Katinas at the Roosters and had quite a bit of success over the last couple of years in the SCC Agrade comp.

They have had a pretty decent preseason and a good hit out on the weekend against Pennisula. This was the first time the Roosters boys had been involved but it wasn't too bad, a good effort esp in defense, which showed their preseason effort.

That's very good news. Hope to see a major improvement from them. I used to be a frequent onlooker at their matches.

 

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2015 Review - Wentworthville

Wenty won 14 and lost 6 to finish 2nd on the ladder with 602 points scored and conceded 359 points. The flawed final series meant they had to beat Mounties for a spot in the grand final.

Wenty undertook significant development activities, demonstrated by 22 players appearing in NSW Cup in 2015 that also appeared in RMC and SS in the season:

Beau Henry 16 games (NSW), 1 game (RMC)
Blake Cook 4 (NSW), 20 (RMC)
Chris Raikete 1 (NSW) 12 (RMC)
Danny Howard 5 (NSW), 19 (RMC)
Dean Parata 2 (NSW), 9 (RMC), 1 (SS)
Fou Tagilima 1 (NSW), 13 (RMC), 3 (SS)
Fred Pakatoa 19 (NSW), 1 (RMC)
Haulafa Lavaka 13 (NSW), 7 (RMC)
Henry Rawalui 3 (NSW), 16 (RMC)
Jack Madden 7 (NSW), 17 (RMC)
Jake Butler Fleming 10 (NSW), 12 (RMC)
Lionel O'Malley 7 (NSW), 9 (RMC), 1 (SS)
Michael Stevens 2 (NSW) 10 (RMC), 2 (SS)
Mitch Mammary 1 (NSW), 8 (RMC)
Mitch Stanfield 3 (NSW), 17 (RMC)
Moses Manu 13 (NSW), 8 (RMC)
Nick Kassis 14 (NSW), 8 (RMC)
Nick Walker 2 (NSW), 19 (RMC), 1 (SS)
Ryan Matterson 18 (NSW), 2 (RMC)
Stephen Howard 2 (NSW), 21 (RMC)
Tainaola Kei 2 (NSW), 17 (RMC)
Zeb Tawha 2 (NSW), 3 (RMC)

Preseason has been strong with 36-6 result against Concord Burwood and then the identical team beat Newcastle in a trial titled NSW Cup and although 26 players appeared in the NSW Cup trial against Penrith, the remainders were still able to beat St Marys easily.

 

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2015 Review - Wentworthville

Wenty won 14 and lost 6 to finish 2nd on the ladder with 602 points scored and conceded 359 points. The flawed final series meant they had to beat Mounties for a spot in the grand final.

Wenty undertook significant development activities, demonstrated by 20 players appearing in NSW Cup in 2015 that also appeared in RMC and SS in the season:

Beau Henry 16 games (NSW), 1 game (RMC)
Blake Cook 4 (NSW), 20 (RMC)
Chris Raikete 1 (NSW) 12 (RMC)
Danny Howard 5 (NSW), 19 (RMC)
Dean Parata 2 (NSW), 9 (RMC), 1 (SS)
Fou Tagilima 1 (NSW), 13 (RMC), 3 (SS)
Fred Pakatoa 19 (NSW), 1 (RMC)
Haulafa Lavaka 13 (NSW), 7 (RMC)
Henry Rawalui 3 (NSW), 16 (RMC)
Jack Madden 7 (NSW), 17 (RMC)
Jake Butler Fleming 10 (NSW), 12 (RMC)
Lionel O'Malley 7 (NSW), 9 (RMC), 1 (SS)
Michael Stevens 2 (NSW) 10 (RMC), 2 (SS)
Moses Manu 13 (NSW), 8 (RMC)
Nick Kassis 14 (NSW), 8 (RMC)
Nick Walker 2 (NSW), 19 (RMC), 1 (SS)
Ryan Matterson 18 (NSW), 2 (RMC)
Stephen Howard 2 (NSW), 21 (RMC)
Tainaola Kei 2 (NSW), 17 (RMC)
Zeb Tawha 2 (NSW), 3 (RMC)

Preseason has been strong with 36-6 result against Concord Burwood and then the identical team beat Newcastle in a trial titled NSW Cup and although 26 players appeared in the NSW Cup trial against Penrith, the remainders were still able to beat St Marys easily.

'Flawed finals series'. What would you propose as an alternative? Just out of curiosity

 

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'Flawed finals series'. What would you propose as an alternative? Just out of curiosity

Top 5 - bottom team eliminated each week and you always have to beat a team that finished above you to progress from week to week.

 

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Haulafa Lavaka, who split his time between the NSW Cup and RMC teams for Wenty last year has had a good start to 2016. Now with Manly, he scored a try in the NRL trial against the Sharks and followed up with 5 tries in the NSW Cup trial against Wollongong Wests.

 

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Trials 27th February

Windsor vs Cabramatta at Windsor - SS 4pm, RMC

Blacktown SS vs Collegians 1st grade at Collegians, Figtree 3pm (with Collegians reserve grade vs Minchinbury Jets at 1.30pm).

 

[kbw]

What was the score against Peninsula?

4 tries to 3 I think (no goals attempted)

Good bunch of people up there at Peninsula

 

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2015 Review - Cabramatta

Cabramatta finished in the lowest position it has occupied since it joined the competition in 2000. A record of 8 wins and 12 losses relegated Cabra to 10th position. Paradoxically they still had a small positive points differential but this results from the 11th team having a negative PD of 882.

Despite the tough slog, Cabra still had 17 players that appeared in both NSW Cup and RMC/SS during the season:

Ahmad Ellaz - 3 (NSW), 2 (RMC), 1 (SS)
Andrew Pearn - 17 (NSW), 1 (RMC)
Blake Judd - 1 (NSW), 1 (RMC)
Corey Brown - 6 (NSW), 7 (RMC)
Corin Smith - 6 (NSW), 2 (RMC)
Daniel Abou Sleiman - 14 (NSW), 4 (RMC)
Jack Noble - 4 (NSW), 9 (RMC), 1 (SS)
Jordan Galloway - 3 (NSW), 12 (RMC)
Josh Davis - 1 (NSW), 16 (RMC)
Kris Keating - 7 (NSW), 11 (RMC)
Kurt Dillon - 17 (NSW), 2 (RMC)
Malakai Houma - 7 (NSW), 12 (RMC)
Mitch Mammary - 1 (NSW), 10 (RMC)
Nesaisi Mataitoga - 16 (NSW), 1 (RMC)
Patrice Siolo - 13 (NSW), 6 (RMC)
Tarek El Masri - 7 (NSW), 9 (RMC)
Winstone Asotasi - 1 (NSW), 4 (RMC), 4 (SS)