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Roosters coach makes play for unwanted Bulldog

Geohood

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Perhaps we offer something low for the first year then once a few people such as Harro, Fitzy, Nutley leave he can have an upgrade. Theres always a way.
 
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If Willie moved to the Roosters he would be the most hated man in Rugby League.

But I would cheer the bloke, nothing better than a good villain and Willie is the best one we’ve got ATM.
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adamkungl

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Yeah he'd be on 100k for next year probably. But Fitzy has a year, maybe two left in him most people reckon, Harrisons crap and unless he pulls his finger out big time i cant wait to see him f**k off, and Nuts is at the end of his career.
 

Dogaholic

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An old Willie Mason Column...

Belmore's best beginning to boil

By Willie Mason
Bulldogs star

July 21, 2006

LOSING Nate Myles to Sydney Roosters on top of Roy Asotasi going to South Sydney has got me fuming. It's again a case of the Bulldogs paying for their success, and I don't think that's fair.

Let's start with Roy.

I moved to the Bulldogs in 1998, he arrived in 1999, and we have been great mates ever since. I played first grade before him but I have watched him develop into one of the best front rowers in the competition.

The Bulldogs have developed him to where he has been such a great player over the past couple of years. Now we can't afford to keep him. Yet the bottom sides like South Sydney, and those other clubs who aren't as successful, get to grab at our good players. It sucks.

Don't get me wrong.

Roy deserves the money he gets, but what can you say when a club like Souths offers you $450,000 a year and the Bulldogs can't afford to give him what he's worth.

The Rabbitohs have got all that money to spend because they've got players that are average first graders and not worth too much.

Like I said, good luck to him and I'm happy for him to go because he's got a family to look after.

But as I keep saying to him, he'd want to cherish this year because it will probably be the last finals series he plays until he retires. There's no way in the world Souths will go any good next year.

Nate's a different story and that ticks me off even more.

While I'm really upset that Roy did leave because we're great mates, he's done his time at the Dogs, he's been a great player for four or five years, and he deserves that money.

But I think Nate should have stayed because he needs to do his apprenticeship and he's gone and chased some money. You can come with excuses like you need a change or you need a starting spot but it comes down to the money.

I'd have loved to have been in his position, getting thrown $250,000 or $300,000 as a 21 year old, but I sacrificed that money to stay at the Bulldogs - and I haven't regretted it one bit.

I've won a premiership and it's made me the player I am today.

I wished Nate all the luck in the world because he is a good mate but I don't know if he is ready for the leadership role at the Roosters that comes with the responsibility of being a starting player.

The Roosters are going to put all that pressure on him by saying he's their No.1 buy and he's got to replace Adrian Morley. But Adrian Morley is irreplaceable.

He's one of the most intimidating players I have ever played against and it's a shame to lose him back to England. There's no other Adrian Morleys out there so I don't know what the Roosters are thinking with that.

It was the same for me when I was 21. I learned off players like Steve Price, Steve Reardon, Darren Britt and all those sort of older heads.

I sat behind those blokes, picked their brains, watched how they trained and that's probably made me the player I am. It's developed me into a leader. But I was no leader when I was 21 and I was in a better position than Nate was.

I don't know what can be done to help clubs like the Bulldogs retain their players. Probably raise the salary cap again? But to be honest there's probably nothing you can do.

It's a problem that won't go away. Sonny Bill Williams is off contract next year, so are Mark O'Meley and Daniel Holdsworth, there's a lot of them here at Belmore.

People are going to be throwing $600,000 or $700,000 at Sonny, $400,000 at Mark, Daniel Holdsworth has been playing some great football so he could be worth up to $300,000. It never ends.

That's just the price you pay for being successful.

Personally, I don't see what's wrong if a club wins a stack of premierships, just like the Dragons did in the 1960s.

There are not going to dynasties in the game now because the good teams just keep getting broken up every time you have a couple of good years. A couple of the good players come off contract and then they get bought.

We had an opportunity in the next four or five years to really establish ourselves in the NRL as the team that dominated the new millennium but we haven't got that chance now. Roy Asotasi was a real big part of that and so was Nate Myles and we've lost them both.

Turning to tomorrow night's clash against the Roosters, that's going to be a harder game than last Friday night's blockbuster against St George-Illawarra.

There's a confidence in the team after beating the Dragons last week that I last felt in 2004 when we won the premiership. But there's a lot of experienced players there now that know confidence isn't going to get you there.

You still have to work hard and you can't be mucking around. You've got to be switched on for every game and I think myself, Andrew Ryan, Tony Grimaldi and the rest of the senior players will be trying to drill that into everyone.

The Roosters will be tough because they've just come off a win, they're still a chance to make the eight and they're old rivals. They hate us and we hate them. If you play in a grand final and one team wins and one team loses there's always going to be rivalry.

We also need to beat them because they keep buying our players. Obviously they're trying to buy a premiership.


The Australian
 

Angry_eel

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The Camden Leisure Pirate said:
If Willie moved to the Roosters he would be the most hated man in Rugby League.

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He'd be the most hated man by the Bulldogs supporters not Rugby League. The papers will love him if he went to the roosters. They love a headline of Bulldog says this or Bulldog does that.
 

Ausguy

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surely paying him nearly nothing for the first year of the contract is a break of the rules, i mean its not morally right is it?
he should be payed whatever his worth is right now, otherwise id like to pay for the aussie back line please just for next year then when we win the comp we will deal with the following year punishment for blowing the cap.
they should not be allowed to have him until the players they plan to offload the following year are no longer at the club, it is 100% A RORT of nextyears cap if its alllowed to work like that.
 

Garts

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I think the staggered contract system has been banned, think it came about after Manly did it with Orford or did they just ban the sign on fee part? If it is banned he will only be able to sign a one year deal.

I love the line in the Mason article bagging Souths saying they wont do any good and Roy wont play finals footy ever again!!!!
 

shiznit

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Ausguy said:
surely paying him nearly nothing for the first year of the contract is a break of the rules, i mean its not morally right is it?
he should be payed whatever his worth is right now, otherwise id like to pay for the aussie back line please just for next year then when we win the comp we will deal with the following year punishment for blowing the cap.
they should not be allowed to have him until the players they plan to offload the following year are no longer at the club, it is 100% A RORT of nextyears cap if its alllowed to work like that.
do you understand how it works??

while its ideal to have him sign an evenly spread deal theres nothing wrong with him signing him to a bottom heavy deal... its a normal part of professional sports with a cap.

because of the timing they wont be able to offer him much this year. they make up for it by having to free up alot of room in the cap by dumping good players in the subsequent years to make up for the lack of money in his first year. there should be no rorting of the cap if the roosters actually boot afew good players.

that may mean dumping someone like Tupou.

the cap will come back to bite them in the end.....
 

B-Tron 3000

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Haha let him to to the Roosters.

He'll be out all night experiencing the 'Eastern Suburbs culture' and he will be playing like sh*t.
 

philstorm

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Haha, brilliant.

Him signing with Roosters means Folau stays with us due to no room in the Roosters SC.
 

Paul Hewson

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Wheelsy said:
What a total tool. Did he bag Myles and O'Meley non-stop for moving to the Roosters?

Bulldogs 4 lyf, only when it suits Mason.

Well he also bagged Asotasi for going to Souths and said that he won't play finals footy again.
 
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Mason ----> over rated
O'Meley ----> past his best
Myles ----> ha ha ha ha ha ha
Nutley ----> way past his used by date

Still, you could have the best forward pack in the comp and it means bugger all if you have sh!t halves.
 

Chachi

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:lol: this is great! I hope he goes to Easts so we can watch both them and the Dogs self destruct over the next few seasons.

Overpaid, overhyped egomaniacs the lot of 'em.

Grow up FFS.
 

Dogs Of War

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philstorm said:
Haha, brilliant.

Him signing with Roosters means Folau stays with us due to no room in the Roosters SC.

Whats to say the Dogs don't make a play for him? We would have plenty of room under the cap to accomodate him if Mason left, and our backline is looking very average at the moment.
 

NGR

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shiznit said:
do you understand how it works??

while its ideal to have him sign an evenly spread deal theres nothing wrong with him signing him to a bottom heavy deal... its a normal part of professional sports with a cap.

because of the timing they wont be able to offer him much this year. they make up for it by having to free up alot of room in the cap by dumping good players in the subsequent years to make up for the lack of money in his first year. there should be no rorting of the cap if the roosters actually boot afew good players.

that may mean dumping someone like Tupou.

the cap will come back to bite them in the end.....
manly did it and then the NRL cracked down on it... so no its not alright
 
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Garts said:
I love the line in the Mason article bagging Souths saying they wont do any good and Roy wont play finals footy ever again!!!!

Mason really showed his intelligence with that quote.Mason should be muzzled.
 

Dogaholic

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Chachi said:
:lol: this is great! I hope he goes to Easts so we can watch both them and the Dogs self destruct over the next few seasons.

Overpaid, overhyped egomaniacs the lot of 'em.

Grow up FFS.

Maybe for a year or so. Think back to when Dymock, Smith, Smith, Mckracken and Pay left.
 

shiznit

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NGR said:
manly did it and then the NRL cracked down on it... so no its not alright
cracked down on what??? are you saying the NRL have banned the staggered contract system... i didnt know they were even allowed to dictate that to clubs. especially if they enforce a salary cap.

does that mean the main salary only cant be staggered?? what about 3rd party endorsements?? they come under the cap but surely the NRL cant dictate to a 3rd party how payments should be made...
 

the bondi spy

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Ausguy said:
surely paying him nearly nothing for the first year of the contract is a break of the rules, i mean its not morally right is it?
he should be payed whatever his worth is right now, otherwise id like to pay for the aussie back line please just for next year then when we win the comp we will deal with the following year punishment for blowing the cap.
they should not be allowed to have him until the players they plan to offload the following year are no longer at the club, it is 100% A RORT of nextyears cap if its alllowed to work like that.

SPOT THE MORON :sarcasm:
 

the bondi spy

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Different kind of Rabbit said:
Mason ----> over rated
O'Meley ----> past his best
Myles ----> ha ha ha ha ha ha
Nutley ----> way past his used by date

Still, you could have the best forward pack in the comp and it means bugger all if you have sh!t halves.

Do you mean like Jeremy Smith and John Sutton. Or Eddie Paea.
 
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