Roosters Trial

[Ned Kelly]

I've given up hoping the NRL webb site would post the Tigers v Roosters trial. Is there anywhere I can see it?

 

[macnaz]

I recorded it so if u want to PM me your address id be happy to send u a copy.

 

[bellyache]

I've given up hoping the NRL webb site would post the Tigers v Roosters trial. Is there anywhere I can see it?

Its on fox tonight.. Replays; First Charity Shield then WCC Followed by Foundation Cup. I watched it twice and Tigers and Roosters were both solid, it was a trial and the score line means SFA. These two teams are on the up..

 

[Mario chalmers]

1. We have some gun players especially our props - Galloway, Woods, Bell and Buchanan all look really good to me.
2. Our backrow is a major concern. Fulton missed some easy tackles tonight but he has pace and the ability to score a try - I think he has to be in the starting team. Blair looked alright - he is a role player but a decent one. Anasta at the moment appears exactly what I though he would be - a waste especially considering what we lack is backrowers with impact.
3. Our outside backs are slow. Koro is a gun and I think Lawrence can get back up there. Tedesco might be up for it as well but we need more speed out wide.
4. Miller looks shithouse. He has never looked good in first grade. He is slow and appears a mediocre option. I'd like to be wrong but the whole Sheens didn't give him a go is bullshit.
5. All the crap about Marshall having to be at 6 was crap. He can play in tight no problems.

I think Potter needs to choose a team that has a lot more scoring potential in it. Get rid of Anasta and Ayshford for starters and you can probably add Miler to that list. Play Tedesco at 1 and if he doesn't cut it give the role to Koro.

A backline something like:-

1. Tedesco
2. Koro
3. Lawrence
4. Brien
5. Utai
6. Moltzen
7. Marshall

and then the forwards something like the following:-

8. Galloway
9. Farah
10. Woods
11. Fulton
12. Pettybourne
13. Blair

with a bench something like:-

14. Bell
15. Buchanan
16. BMM
17. Thomson

At the end of the day though I think we are lacking some quality outside backs, backrowers and possibly a half although I'm not sure if Benji needs to play alongside a great half.

I disagree with a few points you make there.

Firstly you can jump up and down about the backrow makeup but it appears Anasta (left side), Fulton (right side) and Blair are set in stone to start the year. I dont believe Fulton and Anasta will complement each other too well as they both lack size. Players of Fulton's build have struggled to find a role in the modern game as you need size in the wrestle.

In saying that, I think Daniel Anderson is going to try and quicken up the ruck this year in anticipation of reducing the interchange in coming years. Its clear that is what the game needs, Wayne Bennett even conceded the other week that wrestling takes away from the spectacle. If the wrestle is phased out, Fulton and Anasta will be of more use because they carry less weight than the likes of Tony Williams etc and can keep up with quicker play the balls.

I thought Chris Lawrence looked especially slow when in the clear at one point. But the likes of him and Ayshford havent seen much good early ball over the past 12 months and this needs to happen before you can judge any three quarter. Jennings didnt get any ball at Penrith and was useless too.

I cant accept your criticism of Miller, its hard too look great when Benji and Farah run the show. All I expect of whoever plays 7 this season is that they can pass both directions. Its not much to ask but some of the players that ahve played in the halves have clearly been not suited to the position. If Miller can receive the ball from Farah and give it on to Marshall he's done half his job.

Following on from that I dont share your view re Marshall playing in tight. He needs to play wider of the ruck where there is more space. When you get the ball wider the defence is less likely to be organised and the attacking team has players in motion which puts the defence in two minds.

If the ruck speed quickens up and the defensive line is generally given less time to reset then this will increase Marshall's effectiveness close to the ruck, until that happens he has to play two wide of the ruck.

Moltzen is an ordinary passer so I coudnt play him the halves. He doesnt run the ball back hard enough from fullback and that is a high priority IMO as it can set the tone for the next set of 6.

Tedesco is still no confident with his knee. Its a shame Simona wasnt given a crack at 1 in the trials

I hope I dont have to watch another season of Utai getting outlept like he was last wkend. He is too short and doesnt even contest a highball. You need tall wingers these days

Utai would make a great impact player for 15 mins midway through the second half and could otherwise cover any injuries in the backs.

 

[happyG]

Benji prefers five eighth.
Benji performs better at five eighth (a premiership, a world cup victory and a golden boot playing there is pretty handy evidence)
Benji performs better at five eighth when the halfback is stable. Thats only happened with Prince & Lui.

Lui took near 20 games to get confidence & stop being a passenger. I'm willing to bet Miller won't need that long if he is given a fair chance.

pretty accurate assessment. alot of teams would like a miller in their mix aka dragons.

 

[Ned Kelly]

I recorded it so if u want to PM me your address id be happy to send u a copy.

Mate! That is an absolutely amazing offer. Much appreciated!

Now it's so close to season kick off I reckon I can hang in there. If I had asked a week ago I would have accepted the offer but it's not worth putting you through the effort.

Thanks again,

Have a great season!

Ned

 

[macnaz]

Any time Ned

 

[Tiger05]

I cant accept your criticism of Miller, its hard too look great when Benji and Farah run the show. All I expect of whoever plays 7 this season is that they can pass both directions. Its not much to ask but some of the players that ahve played in the halves have clearly been not suited to the position. If Miller can receive the ball from Farah and give it on to Marshall he's done half his job.

This is where I think a lot of supporters have it wrong. We need more out of one of our starting halves.

Following on from that I dont share your view re Marshall playing in tight. He needs to play wider of the ruck where there is more space. When you get the ball wider the defence is less likely to be organised and the attacking team has players in motion which puts the defence in two minds.

I disagree. I think he can play in tight and he can play wider of the ruck as well. I also think we have better options at 6 than Miller at 7. Sirro and Moltzen appear better in the halves than Miller has so far.

Just to be clear Miller might get it together and prove that he is the best option and I hope that occurs.

As for Tedesco, Motlzen and Utai. I would like to see Tedesco given the fullback spot because he has appeared likely previously and I think he already looks better than Moltzen.

I like Utai but I think we need more speed out wide, I think one of Ayshford or Utai has to go.

As for the backrow - I just can't see Blair, Fulton and Anasta working at all. Again I hope I'm wrong.

 

[Radical Rat]

This is where I think a lot of supporters have it wrong. We need more out of one of our starting halves.



I disagree. I think he can play in tight and he can play wider of the ruck as well. I also think we have better options at 6 than Miller at 7. Sirro and Moltzen appear better in the halves than Miller has so far.

Just to be clear Miller might get it together and prove that he is the best option and I hope that occurs.

As for Tedesco, Motlzen and Utai. I would like to see Tedesco given the fullback spot because he has appeared likely previously and I think he already looks better than Moltzen.

I like Utai but I think we need more speed out wide, I think one of Ayshford or Utai has to go.

As for the backrow - I just can't see Blair, Fulton and Anasta working at all. Again I hope I'm wrong.

I agree regarding Miller. I don't think it's enough for him to just shovel the ball on. If he doesn't have a dynamic running game (which it seems he does not), then he needs to have a good kicking game. I haven't seen any evidence of this yet either. I'm all for him starting the season and getting a good crack at it. But from what he has shown so far, I'm not sold whatsoever. That includes the 20's. Like you 05, I'm more than happy to be wrong.

 

[abpanther]

Do you guys still expect Fulton to play most of the game and get big minutes/tackle counts?

Yes its a fantasy related question

Thanks

 

[madunit]

I agree regarding Miller. I don't think it's enough for him to just shovel the ball on. If he doesn't have a dynamic running game (which it seems he does not), then he needs to have a good kicking game. I haven't seen any evidence of this yet either. I'm all for him starting the season and getting a good crack at it. But from what he has shown so far, I'm not sold whatsoever. That includes the 20's. Like you 05, I'm more than happy to be wrong.

So let me get this straight.

Lui shovelled the ball onto Benji for 20-30 games before he started running to the line - that was okay.

Miller doesn't do this after 2 games at halfback and one at five-eighth in the NRL over 2 seasons and in a trial game - he's not good enough and should be written off

Lui wasn't much of a kicker when he first came into NRL either - thats okay

Miller hasn't shown much of a kicking game in his first few appearances in first grade - that's not good enough

I'm glad that's all cleared up.

Miller now is a better defender than Lui has ever been. Miller is more creative now than Lui was at the same stage. Miller now runs to the line more than Lui did at the same stage.

So long as Miller can get Benji good field position and can become a reliable kicking option, he will grow into the role and become a better 7 than Lui was.

Miller is already ahead of Lui at the stage of their first grade careers.

 

[madunit]

Given Sironen's size, and our depth of better halves coming through the junior ranks, I doubt Sironen will play much in the halves in his future, he'll end up being a good ball playing Lock imo

 

[madunit]

Do you guys still expect Fulton to play most of the game and get big minutes/tackle counts?

Yes its a fantasy related question

Thanks

Not sure about the big minutes, but I do think he will be used primarily for defence from the bench.

In saying that, he does run good lines and runs onto the ball and into gaps without fear.

If only he had Blair's size

 

[abpanther]

Not sure about the big minutes, but I do think he will be used primarily for defence from the bench.

In saying that, he does run good lines and runs onto the ball and into gaps without fear.

If only he had Blair's size

Thanks man, was just wondering if he would be used differently this year given the coaching change

 

[Magpie Tragic]

Not sure about the big minutes, but I do think he will be used primarily for defence from the bench.

In saying that, he does run good lines and runs onto the ball and into gaps without fear.

If only he had Blair's size

If only Blair had Fultons heart & work ethic

 

[madunit]

he'd be worth every bit of his wage then.

 

[Radical Rat]

So let me get this straight.

Lui shovelled the ball onto Benji for 20-30 games before he started running to the line - that was okay.

Miller doesn't do this after 2 games at halfback and one at five-eighth in the NRL over 2 seasons and in a trial game - he's not good enough and should be written off

Lui wasn't much of a kicker when he first came into NRL either - thats okay

Miller hasn't shown much of a kicking game in his first few appearances in first grade - that's not good enough

I'm glad that's all cleared up.

Miller now is a better defender than Lui has ever been. Miller is more creative now than Lui was at the same stage. Miller now runs to the line more than Lui did at the same stage.

So long as Miller can get Benji good field position and can become a reliable kicking option, he will grow into the role and become a better 7 than Lui was.

Miller is already ahead of Lui at the stage of their first grade careers.

I didn't say 1 word about Lui in my post. So I'm not sure why your reply is based on comparisons that were never made.

But if you do want to make comparisons. Lui had a much better kicking game than Miller has displayed so far. I also said I didn't particular rate Miller in the 20's, Lui was also much more dominant at that level.

How you can say Miller is more creative than anyone is beyond me. He hasn't shown one ounce of creativity as yet. I'd love an example. He may well show something in the future and I hope he does, but he looks quite rigid to me so far.

 

[madunit]

It's based on previous comments you've made

 

[Tiger05]

I didn't say 1 word about Lui in my post. So I'm not sure why your reply is based on comparisons that were never made.

But if you do want to make comparisons. Lui had a much better kicking game than Miller has displayed so far. I also said I didn't particular rate Miller in the 20's, Lui was also much more dominant at that level.

How you can say Miller is more creative than anyone is beyond me. He hasn't shown one ounce of creativity as yet. I'd love an example. He may well show something in the future and I hope he does, but he looks quite rigid to me so far.

I don't know why posters are stating Lui never looked as good as Miller. Lui looked a lot better in the limited times I saw him in the 20's and to me looked a lot better than Miller when given a chance in the top grade. I don't think it is even close.

Miller has looked ordinary so far and anyone stating anything else is delusional. In saying that maybe he will play like his fans state he can. I hope that he does.

 

[macnaz]

Although i will admit he hasnt looked brilliant in first grade , he was awarded halfback of the year and also played for NSW and was in the junior Kangaroo's . Not to mention he was also scouted by the Roosters at the age of 14 . Someone with those credentials must have some talent you would think , how about sitting back and watching how he progresses and save our judgement for down the track .