Round 1 v Sharks

[SaintPeter]

Willow said re Dufty
His improvement in attack and combining with Lomax gives him reason to feel more confident. Don't kick the kid when he's getting better.

Maybe? but, not in my opinion. He cannot tackle. He just cannot tackle.
You cant have a full back who wont tackle.
The fake intercept attempt ?? Please! if he does it again against the sharks it must be the END (hopefully).

 

[Willow]

Who said anything about a fake intercept attempt? Re tackling, I'd like to see more of that from our forwards.

 

[thebigredv]

Good luck to the team. That bench...

 

[Russell Crowe's Band]

Good luck to the team. That bench...

ours is also odd

 

[BBTB]

Who said anything about a fake intercept attempt? Re tackling, I'd like to see more of that from our forwards.

That was there for everyone to see. Dufty
Is afraid to tackle. That attempt at intercept. Was a pathetic, way out.

 

[Willow]

That was there for everyone to see. Dufty
Is afraid to tackle. That attempt at intercept. Was a pathetic, way out.

I'm curious as to how wingers and fullbacks find themselves in a position where their main job is defence. Perhaps you can help me here.

 

[Old Timer]

I'm curious as to how wingers and fullbacks find themselves in a position where their main job is defence. Perhaps you can help me here.

If your team has less than 50% share of the ball and leaks like a sieve in the middle and in the edges then best that your wingers & FB’s are highly accomplished in all facets of defence.

A bit of Dugan defence wouldn’t go astray .

 

[possm]

Willow said re Dufty
His improvement in attack and combining with Lomax gives him reason to feel more confident. Don't kick the kid when he's getting better.

Maybe? but, not in my opinion. He cannot tackle. He just cannot tackle.
You cant have a full back who wont tackle.
The fake intercept attempt ?? Please! if he does it again against the sharks it must be the END (hopefully).

To be fair, I can see how he has improved with his passing gazme and his timeing when joining the line in attack.

I would really like to see him directing the backline in defence, being in good field position most of the time, being solid in our last line of defence and taking the high ball with confidence and returning it with speed.

 

[muzby]

A bit of Dugan defence wouldn’t go astray .

Season 2020.

Missed tackles:
- Dufty: 15
- Dugan: 26

Ineffective tackles:
- Dufty: 3
- Dugan: 8

Line break causes:
- Dufty: 4
- Dugan: 12


How would dugan’s defence have helped us?

 

[possm]

Season 2020.

Missed tackles:
- Dufty: 15
- Dugan: 26

Ineffective tackles:
- Dufty: 3
- Dugan: 8

Line break causes:
- Dufty: 4
- Dugan: 12


How would dugan’s defence have helped us?

Why compare Dufty to Dugan. Dufty is 25 and Dugan is 98.

How about comparing Dufty to the fullbacks at:
Melbourne
Easts
Souths
Canberra
Penrith

 

[2012....Sharks Year]

Season 2020.

Missed tackles:
- Dufty: 15
- Dugan: 26

Ineffective tackles:
- Dufty: 3
- Dugan: 8

Line break causes:
- Dufty: 4
- Dugan: 12


How would dugan’s defence have helped us?

Slightly creative use of the figures there Muz.... Of attempted tackles Duges missed 15% and Duffy missed 23%. Line break causes is not really worth comparing a centre to a fullback because the fullback rarely defends in the line. I happen to like Duffy.... sure he gets rag-dolled a bit but he plays above his weight. Straight swap for Duges for ‘22 by any chance?

 

[muzby]

Why compare Dufty to Dugan. Dufty is 25 and Dugan is 98.

Because some dunce suggested Dufty needed some Dugan defence

 

[muzby]

Slightly creative use of the figures there Muz.... Of attempted tackles Duges missed 15% and Duffy missed 23%. Line break causes is not really worth comparing a centre to a fullback because the fullback rarely defends in the line. I happen to like Duffy.... sure he gets rag-dolled a bit but he plays above his weight. Straight swap for Duges for ‘22 by any chance?

A line break cause is a pretty important stat. Still means their positional play or tackling ability was inept..

And I liked duges when he was here but he’s a shadow of the player he once was.

I’ll keep duffman

 

[Dragon David]

To be fair, I can see how he has improved with his passing gazme and his timeing when joining the line in attack.

I would really like to see him directing the backline in defence, being in good field position most of the time, being solid in our last line of defence and taking the high ball with confidence and returning it with speed.

Dufty needs to see a lot of videos on Billy Slater who caught the high kicks consistently well and brought the ball back with speed. In addition, when the ball is swung out wide Billy would be running in at 100 mph to time his injection into the attack and be able to score or pass out to the winger. Billy was not that much bigger than Dufty (height the same and Billy 6 kgs more)

Everything is to do with speed. Dufty has it. His defence might not be the greatest but there have been and are quite a lot of fullbacks suffer/suffering from this dilemma.

Cooper Cronk mentioned this in his interview recently on NRL360. Catching and passing the ball with speed.

A good coach can get players to defend ball and all. Steve Rogers wasn't a good defender when he started out but after a few years became so effective with his ball and all tackles and much of this ability came with executing it with speed.

Hopefully we will see Dufty do well in attack and defence in the game against the Sharks. He looks fitter and stronger so after his talk recently, it is up to himself to live up to what he says and thinks he can do.

 

[Crush]

If your team has less than 50% share of the ball and leaks like a sieve in the middle and in the edges then best that your wingers & FB’s are highly accomplished in all facets of defence.

A bit of Dugan defence wouldn’t go astray .

Dugan could tackle but I don’t remember too many try assists? Dufty had 14 try assists and 12 tries last year from memory.
Anyway, pointless comparison at this stage, we need better from Dufty with kick returns and defusing bombs agreed.

 

[Old Timer]

Season 2020.

Missed tackles:
- Dufty: 15
- Dugan: 26

Ineffective tackles:
- Dufty: 3
- Dugan: 8

Line break causes:
- Dufty: 4
- Dugan: 12


How would dugan’s defence have helped us?

So you think that Dufty’s defence at FB is superior to when Dugan was our FB because that’s the comparison that anyone other than you and maybe 1 other would know is being made?

 

[rasaint]

I have always said that Duff isn’t a ‘superstar’ yet is a most exciting player and has scored try’s very few players in the past decade are capable of.
His 2019 try against the tight Easts
defence was sublime, punching through the forwards, turning Teddy into a turnstile, turning Cronk inside out and then sufficient speed to hold out Latrell.
Duff’s defence is satisfactory.
In my opinion Duff is not as good as Papenhazen, AJBrimson, Teddy or Tommy Turbo. ( I’m a big Brimson fan/ some injury issues). Swings and roundabouts thereafter. Ask the Q how would Duff go behind a top 4 side?

 

[Old Timer]

Dugan could tackle but I don’t remember too many try assists? Dufty had 14 try assists and 12 tries last year from memory.
Anyway, pointless comparison at this stage, we need better from Dufty with kick returns and defusing bombs agreed.

The question was about defence that’s why I gave the example.
No question about who is the better attacking player but alas that attack was swamped by our inability to stop the other team from scoring easily against us.
With Dugan at the back you always knew the attacking player would be fully contested.

 

[muzby]

So you think that Dufty’s defence at FB is superior to when Dugan was our FB because that’s the comparison that anyone other than you and maybe 1 other would know is being made?

I’m looking at the cold, hard facts that show Dufty is a better defender.

If we’re going down the path of comparing our fullbacks from the past vs the future, both Dufty and Dugan aren’t even fit to tie David Riolo’s bootlaces.

 

[Crush]

The question was about defence that’s why I gave the example.
No question about who is the better attacking player but alas that attack was swamped by our inability to stop the other team from scoring easily against us.
With Dugan at the back you always knew the attacking player would be fully contested.

“The inability to stop the other team from scoring easily” get used to that this year if the trials are anything to go by.
We couldn’t read simple block plays.