Round 10 panthers v titans

[franklin2323]

UFC has HIA protocols as far as I know. 3 months before you can fight again.

NRL has it's own concussion protocols. Has the medical tent that reviews every single tackle and players now get dragged off for really minor knocks. There are no spear tackles. No actual shoulder to the head or real dog shots... so is jumping at shadows now

 

[Kilkenny]

A recent UK study has apparently confirmed long standing opinions linking prolonged heading of a soccer ball with brain injury and increased risk of dementia. If not already how long will it be before there is pressure to eliminate heading of the ball from football. Sounds ridiculous, but I guarantee it is only a matter of time,

 

[betcats]

NRL has it's own concussion protocols. Has the medical tent that reviews every single tackle and players now get dragged off for really minor knocks. There are no spear tackles. No actual shoulder to the head or real dog shots... so is jumping at shadows now

Gallen actually sums up my feelings on it all pretty well. I have just taken the relevant part cause he waffles on a bit but the line is below also.



https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/paul-g...-contact/0fccbebd-ff90-4326-b2f7-9de154c671a2

"The Josh Papalii one. Send-off, no problem. Herman Ese'ese. Send-off, no problem. Tyrell Fuimaono's hit on Ryan Papenhuyzen may not have been a send-off in years gone by but I'm fine with that under the new guidelines; he had time to adjust and hit him lower.

The Sitili Tupouniua one. Previously that would have been a penalty, on report, no further action. I've got no problem with that now being 10 minutes in the sin-bin. He had ample time to hit a lower part of the body and still hit the head, so that's fine.

But then there was the incident where James Tedesco fell into the chest of Lachlan Burr. Seriously, what else could Burr have done? Nothing. Tedesco slipped into him and his head struck Burr's chest, not even his shoulder. Teddy jumped straight up, unhurt.

Under the new rules, fine, make it a penalty. But 10 in the sin-bin for that?

They're the ones that people get frustrated about - obvious incidental contact where there's nothing else the player could have done.

Those are penalties at most. Maybe you end up with a low-grade charge from the match review committee. They can't be sin-bins. That's just too harsh, 10 minutes in the bin for incidental contact that's simply part of our game

Then there's the Josh McGuire one on Sunday, just eight minutes into the game. That's a penalty, sure, where the first contact is with the ball and his arm bounces up; but because it's Josh McGuire and he's got that reputation where people think he's a grub, he gets sin-binned. Was that worth 10 minutes? I don't think so.

Then there's that Liam Martin incident, where he was penalised for striking Tanah Boyd with his forearm, despite the initial contact being with the chest before sliding up under the chin. Seriously, that contact is just part and parcel of the game, yet the Panthers were robbed of a great try when the Bunker went back to review it.

Martin just had his bumpers up; that's what they call using the forearms these day. They don't lead with their elbows, they get their arms and forearms up to try and either knock the defender off, or get a quick play-the-ball.

That was incidental contact. It's been part of our game forever and should always be. I could not understand that Martin incident being called back and penalised.
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[betcats]

A recent UK study has apparently confirmed long standing opinions linking prolonged heading of a soccer ball with brain injury and increased risk of dementia. If not already how long will it be before there is pressure to eliminate heading of the ball from football. Sounds ridiculous, but I guarantee it is only a matter of time,

I could be wrong but I think for certain ages there has been bans on heading the ball in the US and UK, its not uniform and maybe in the UK it is just banned in training but I read something along those lines a little while ago...

 

[Kilkenny]

I could be wrong but I think for certain ages there has been bans on heading the ball in the US and UK, its not uniform and maybe in the UK it is just banned in training but I read something along those lines a little while ago...

Id say your right. There has been some very high profile former superstars of the game who have been diagnosed with and or passed away from dementia related illness. I think I read only recently there are civil litigation cases before the UK courts involving such matters and once the floodgates open who knows where it will end up.

 

[franklin2323]

Id say your right. There has been some very high profile former superstars of the game who have been diagnosed with and or passed away from dementia related illness. I think I read only recently there are civil litigation cases before the UK courts involving such matters and once the floodgates open who knows where it will end up.

How do you win such a case though? Like the sport dates back to the 1800's. You play it knowing heading is part of it

 

[franklin2323]

Gallen actually sums up my feelings on it all pretty well. I have just taken the relevant part cause he waffles on a bit but the line is below also.



https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/paul-g...-contact/0fccbebd-ff90-4326-b2f7-9de154c671a2

"The Josh Papalii one. Send-off, no problem. Herman Ese'ese. Send-off, no problem. Tyrell Fuimaono's hit on Ryan Papenhuyzen may not have been a send-off in years gone by but I'm fine with that under the new guidelines; he had time to adjust and hit him lower.

The Sitili Tupouniua one. Previously that would have been a penalty, on report, no further action. I've got no problem with that now being 10 minutes in the sin-bin. He had ample time to hit a lower part of the body and still hit the head, so that's fine.

But then there was the incident where James Tedesco fell into the chest of Lachlan Burr. Seriously, what else could Burr have done? Nothing. Tedesco slipped into him and his head struck Burr's chest, not even his shoulder. Teddy jumped straight up, unhurt.

Under the new rules, fine, make it a penalty. But 10 in the sin-bin for that?

They're the ones that people get frustrated about - obvious incidental contact where there's nothing else the player could have done.

Those are penalties at most. Maybe you end up with a low-grade charge from the match review committee. They can't be sin-bins. That's just too harsh, 10 minutes in the bin for incidental contact that's simply part of our game

Then there's the Josh McGuire one on Sunday, just eight minutes into the game. That's a penalty, sure, where the first contact is with the ball and his arm bounces up; but because it's Josh McGuire and he's got that reputation where people think he's a grub, he gets sin-binned. Was that worth 10 minutes? I don't think so.

Then there's that Liam Martin incident, where he was penalised for striking Tanah Boyd with his forearm, despite the initial contact being with the chest before sliding up under the chin. Seriously, that contact is just part and parcel of the game, yet the Panthers were robbed of a great try when the Bunker went back to review it.

Martin just had his bumpers up; that's what they call using the forearms these day. They don't lead with their elbows, they get their arms and forearms up to try and either knock the defender off, or get a quick play-the-ball.

That was incidental contact. It's been part of our game forever and should always be. I could not understand that Martin incident being called back and penalised.
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I feel dirty saying this but I agree with Gallen. Most people seem to fall in that same boat really

 

[Pomoz]

A recent UK study has apparently confirmed long standing opinions linking prolonged heading of a soccer ball with brain injury and increased risk of dementia. If not already how long will it be before there is pressure to eliminate heading of the ball from football. Sounds ridiculous, but I guarantee it is only a matter of time,

The damage they have found to some of the ex-players brains is astounding. Nobby Stiles played for England and Manchester United and was found to have CTE (chronic traumatic encephalopathy) which is only present in people with history of repetitive head trauma. He is one of many players found with this disease. A report found that soccer players were 3.5 times more likely to die of neurodegenerative disease compared with members of the general population. Sobering stuff.

 

[Kilkenny]

How do you win such a case though? Like the sport dates back to the 1800's. You play it knowing heading is part of it

I agree, but when it comes to civil litigation it is a trillion dollar industry and more often than not some of the judgements are staggering. It is a few years ago now, but a case in Florida saw a convicted felon break into a fast food restaurant after it had closed for the evening. He was intending to steal proceeds from the safe. Once inside the premises he sustained a very severe neck injury after slipping and falling on a wet tiled floor. He successfully sued and won a multi million settlement because the staff were deemed negligent by not putting out the wet floor signage and thereby exposed him to risk. This example I give is a very condensed summary granted, but I just make the point the law is an ass.

 

[MugaB]

As Robinson said, everybody calm down. The NRL have got it right, they must stop the head high tackles. I am glad that finally, we have stopped listening to the old "bring back the biff" players and are serious about stopping foul play. They will find the balance and get the accident vs reckless/intentional rulings right. I think it might be worth thinking about a 5 minute sin bin so the borderline hits are given a lesser penalty.

Nay, 5min sinbins are a recipe for disaster, you'll introduce more thuggery as they might get away with 5 mins over 10, i like the 10mins coz its a blanket rule, and significant amount of time to hamper your side if you f**k up, im sure we'll see the refs be a bit more cautious with the usage, i mean the friday games were harsh, but the Saturday games looked like they figured it out a bit better, then sunday it went a bit more nitpicky, regarding martins fend, but ese'ese and tyrells shots they got right, as this is what they need to stamp out

 

[MugaB]

Well said Westy. This was long overdue. There might have been a few soft sin bins but all the send offs were spot on. Tallis admitted the Titans' tackle was "a send off even when I was playing".

The type of tackle Fuimano and Papali did have always been treated as a penalty in the past. There was a view it was "accidental" no harm intended. It doesn't matter whether serious harm was intended or not, but Papali and Fuimano were so reckless the hit to the head was inevitable. The Papali tackle is the same type of tackle that broke RCG's jaw. Papenhasuen was stretchered off the field. They should have sent Fuimano off and then brought him back on so they could send him off twice!

Ian Roberts and Mario Fenech are just two players I know of with brain injuries from playing league. There are many more. Cordner hasn't played for 10 rounds. Friend was forced to retire. How could we tolerate this damage to players for so long? This started because the refs don't like to send blokes off because they get criticised by dinosaurs like Steve Roach.

Ricky Stuart is an idiot for saying what he did. The game is just as tough as it has ever been. The only difference is the cheap shots of lazy players like Papali will no longer be tolerated. It's about time.

Although i agree with you, the cordner thing is a rort, he is off till round 12, which is the minimum amount of time so they can receive a salary cap exemption and get another $350 on their cap, i know everyone uses the whole, "but cordner is better player, than a $350k random 2nd rower" but its rort, coz when boyd does come back, this new player doesn't just disapear, and you dont win a title in the first 12 rounds... i wonder if a Martin or Capewell is playing at that price, as there is talented players, that are arguably in better form than boyd was, coz if we had that extra cap space that the rooster now have, we'd have locked up another bright junior

 

[Black Magik]

How many times did Anthony Don come up holding his head or neck?

That is why this crack down will fail. That is why it is a farce. Legitimate penalties being diluted by crud.

 

[MugaB]

None this changes the fact that the penalty on Martin was bullshit, they could have had 100 penalties like that across the weekend. Putting your forearem into someones chest will never go out of the game its not dangerous or illegal. A couple more weekends like we just had and Vlandys will cave and tell the refs to dial it back I am positive of that, he reacts to criticism.

It doesnt matter how hard they come down on it there will be accidental high shots. Teddy was literally on his knees when someone accidently got him high and was sin binned, that is complete garbage. Penalty sure but to sin bin someone for that is pathetic, like Nathan said you can't just disappear if a guys falls from his feet to his knees and gets a little shot to the head it should not be a sin bin. There is a big difference between that and say what moses leota did, treating them the same is stupid and will change the game dramatically.

V'dog and most of the coaches like bennet and robbo have been talking about high shots all year, its taken one controversial round to set the standard, i get anyone can slip, and cop one, but don't rush it, these guys like ese'ese flying out of the blocks, or DWZ taking Nate out a few rounds back, even Townsend on Ponga last year, it's dangerous, i get that it didn't hurt the player right then and there, but we lost nathan vs the storm coz of that coathanger, that shit shouldn't happen, especially since we were very lucky and are able to win without him.
Its been annoying to read the forum on this particular issue, but its not PVL rule thats the issue or the timing of it, i don't care if they brought it on in the finals, it has to start somewhere, and knocking out a slipping teddy tedesco, is never acceptable especially if NSW is showcasing origin without him. Or any player for that matter.
Remember when someone took out Turbos legs a few season back, Barrett was coaching manly and he was fuming, they stamped that shit out, look at the players now, a leaping player is totally off limits, these guys are professionals, and no one is risking their paycheck to sit on the sidelines, and not play
(Other than Hethro)

The referees are to blame for the enforcement and officiating of the rules, not the rule makers. Unfair to point the finger at ARLC especially when a referee or in reality the bunker is pulling up 6 plays prior to give a penalty, i mean thats for the captains challenge is for, isn't it? just coz the on field ref missed it, don't rewind that play and the rules stay as is. The liam martin fend was stupid, because it could have been on report after only, it wasn't the reason the try was not valid, these refs are anal, and yeah we whinge about one try, but canberra lost by one try in '19 GF, and we were short by one try in '20.
f**k you bunker, stay out of the live play

 

[Original Name]

It was the defenders neck. People don't want to concede a penalty don't make contact with the head/neck. JWH has been doing it for years with everyone complaining it's about time it's called.

People complain when JWH makes first contact with the head/neck. There's a difference.

 

[MugaB]

You're right, but unless JAC's brain is somewhere to the south of his bum, this suspension wasn't head injury related. And he appeared hurt, but managed to flash down the wing to score a few minutes later. Already players who have been fouled are displaying skills worthy of an Academy Award.

It was still a hipdrop, which was a Melbourne tactic, thats been driven out of the game in regards to dangerous tackles, if josh did that to Yeo or Luai in origin and ruled them out for the season, i bet we would want at the very least give a sin bin too

 

[Munted]

these guys are professionals, and no one is risking their paycheck to sit on the sidelines, and not play
(Other than Hethro)

Oh man, thats what they should do. Suspension carries monetary fines from the club for X games missed.
Yearly salary / 24 regular games = Salary forfeited p/game missed via suspension.

None of them will f**k it up now.

 

[Jane Murray]

https://fb.watch/5xP4vkQcHR/

 

[Jane Murray]

This is a massive coincidence.

 

[GongPanther]

I liked the way Toó got straight back up after he was coat-hanged.

My favourite moment of the day was Moses Leota's try, as that run by him will forever be burned in my memory.

And a moment of silence for poor Peachy when he was directly in the firing line when Fish scored that try. It was like watching somebody getting run over by a Big Mack truck.

 

[Kilkenny]

I thought the Titans may have been a decent test for us but alas it wasn’t to be.

I can’t help feeling these blowouts may not be a good thing and we need some close fought contests.

Obviously our draw in the second half of the season is far tougher and that should be a good thing.