Round 11 v Rabbitohs 22 May 2015

[Bazal]

Don't get me started on City vs Country! lol! Sure Paulo made made the side..but so did Jason Clark...and he found himself in reserve grade the following week! As for Beau Scott, I'm not disputing the money that your paying him, its his longevity that I have problems with. What happens when he retires? Your back to square one. Your much better off doing what Craig Bellamy did at the Storm, Des Hasler did at Manly, Jason Taylor is doing at the Tigers and recruiting a host of talented young players and persevering with them until they blossom; recruiting players like Beau Scott is only a short-term fix.

We've got plenty of decent, young or young-ish forwards on the books...Moeroa, Pauli, Junior Paulo, Kenny Edwards, Manu Ma'u, Alex Twal, Tyrell Fuimaono, Josh Ailoai...even Tim Mannah is only 27...

 

[T.S Quint]

Wait till next week and get all excited again only to be dissappointed.

It's the Parramatta way.

 

[yy_cheng]

To be honest I'm looking. I think the game is genuinely getting more boring and I'm not the only one.

Hayne in a red jersey

 

[T.S Quint]

NFL season can't start soon enough.

Oh wait...I'm a Niners supporter.

I'm f**ked.

 

[souths_pride]

Mannah (as someone pointed out to my surprise earlier in the season) has only ever played around 40 mins for his entire career. ot sure why BA is to blame for this?

That has surprised me too but if that is the case, then what has Brad Arthur done about it. Tim Mannah is a decent player when he is out there and I think Brad Arthur should be doing more to get him out on the field for longer. It may seem harsh but you need to be proactive as a coach!

Paulo is bigger, more aggressive, and better than Wicks. Also, with Pauli on the bench, starting Junior allowed us to always have a big body on against a very good pack.

Just because he is bigger, doesn't mean he is better. Wicks has been, at the very least, one of your most consistent forwards always season. I disagree that Paulo is more aggressive.

Tepai has been very poor in defence at times, given away ridiculous penalties and made lazy errors. He has a lot to learn and has never really had an extended step between NYC and First Grade.

Do you have any examples of him being poor in defence? I have seen him give away penalties, but I've never thought they were ridiculous ones i.e. like Waerea-Hargreaves. I have him down as powerhouse and a real strong runner of the ball. From memory, his performance against the Bulldogs also stands out as being particularly impressive.

Fair observation re Folau, but the problem wouldn't have gone away just because he was on the wing either. He is a poor defender.

Again this comes down to being proactive. Doing something is a lot better than doing nothing; you just can't sit there and let James Roberts destroy you all game. From the outside, it just appeared that Brad Arthur was completely oblivious to the problem.

I do agree with this. That said, he has dropped him at last. Also, given it seems we knew we had cap issues to deal with, I am willing to put this partly down to wanting to use more top 25 players. Shouldn't have been re-signed, however

Agree 100% he shouldn't have been resigned.

See Watmough thread for my thoughts

What page are they on?

Grevsmuhl isn't worth even close to the same money as Beau Scott.

Maybe not now, but he is certainly a class player, a potential captain and someone who can contribute heavily to winning you a premiership down the track. Basically, he is the caliber of player that you should be trying to sign.

 

[souths_pride]

We've got plenty of decent, young or young-ish forwards on the books...Moeroa, Pauli, Junior Paulo, Kenny Edwards, Manu Ma'u, Alex Twal, Tyrell Fuimaono, Josh Ailoai...even Tim Mannah is only 27...

Yes you've got young players but are they any good? Can you see those players being in a premiership winning team down the track?

 

[T.S Quint]

Tepai hits hard but misses quite a few tackles. Makes some poor decisions as well.
He deserved to get dropped.

 

[T.S Quint]

Yes you've got young players but are they any good? Can you see those players being in a premiership winning team down the track?

Yes.
But the team won't be Parra.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Yes you've got young players but are they any good? Can you see those players being in a premiership winning team down the track?

Yep, all at least as good as Grevsmuhl.

Our problem isn't lack of talent in the pack, it's lack of experience. Scott will help with that.

 

[Bazal]

Yes you've got young players but are they any good? Can you see those players being in a premiership winning team down the track?

Four or five of those players are better than Grevsmuhl. Twal has already captained NYC and only 18 years old.

 

[I bleed blue & gold]

BA sums it up real well here.

http://www.parraeels.com.au/news/2015/05/22/arthur.html

 

[souths_pride]

:? Then we stop paying him (or not ) and replace him in the lineup with the young back rowers he has been mentoring while he was here).

And you know he's been picked in Origin again, right?



The short term is exactly what we're trying to fix.

I think there is this myth in rugby league that this 'mentoring' that veteran players provide is like some sort of super power whereby they enhance the abilities of young players and make them better. If he has, then why isn't he doing it at Newcastle? They've shown no signs of improvement to me. Basically, this mentoring thing, I feel, is about helping young players get their life sorted and maybe give them a bit of advice in areas that they may be struggling. In saying that, it is what it is - just advice. Senior players, like Beau Scott, are not miracle workers; at the end of the day it is up to the younger players out there to go and perform and seize their opportunities.

As for Beau Scott being picked for Origin, I disagree with that selection and would have picked Frizell over him. Under the system in place, the NSW team is picked on the opinion of one man and that is the coach - Laurie Daley. However, I feel that is also the correct system if your going to hold the coach accountable for the performance of the team.

You guys shouldn't be worried about the short term. This is why you are in the position that your in - too much short term thinking. You guys would be a lot better off if you adopted a Bellamy/Storm, Hasler/Manly, Taylor/Tigers approach and identified/bought highly promising young players, persevered with them and let them develop.

 

[souths_pride]

Four or five of those players are better than Grevsmuhl. Twal has already captained NYC and only 18 years old.

How come he isn't playing first grade then? NYC is rubbish. To compare a player who is playing first grade to a NYC player is simply wrong. Who are the other players better than Grevsmuhl. I'm not saying he is the finished article. What I'm saying is that he is a highly talented young forward who will more than likely get better and could contribute heavily to winning a premiership down the track.

 

[Bazal]

How come he isn't playing first grade then? NYC is rubbish. To compare a player who is playing first grade to a NYC player is simply wrong. Who are the other players better than Grevsmuhl. I'm not saying he is the finished article. What I'm saying is that he is a highly talented young forward who will more than likely get better and could contribute heavily to winning a premiership down the track.

Firstly, he is 18, and out of SG Ball last season. Of course he isn;t in First Grade. Secondly, he isn't one of the players I rate better than Grevsmuhl. Except on potential, in which case I absolutely rate him better than Grevsmuhl.

Junior Paulo, Manu Ma'u, Kenny Edwards, Tepai Moeroa. Possibly Pauli Pauli.

 

[souths_pride]

Yep, all at least as good as Grevsmuhl.

Our problem isn't lack of talent in the pack, it's lack of experience. Scott will help with that.

Well you've got Watmough in your pack - I wouldn't have signed him but I can accept that he was bought to add experience. Tim Mannah has played over 150 first grade games, you've got Danny Wicks who has been around a while, as has David Gower. Nathan Peats also has roughly 75 first grade games under his belt; how much more experience do you need?

 

[Chipmunk]

Yep, all at least as good as Grevsmuhl.

Our problem isn't lack of talent in the pack, it's lack of experience. Scott will help with that.

Just like Watmough would save us this year...

 

[Chipmunk]

BA sums it up real well here.

http://www.parraeels.com.au/news/2015/05/22/arthur.html

BAs issue is not knowing why we are getting beaten

BAs issues now are that he doesnt know how to fix it thi season.

 

[souths_pride]

Firstly, he is 18, and out of SG Ball last season. Of course he isn;t in First Grade. Secondly, he isn't one of the players I rate better than Grevsmuhl. Except on potential, in which case I absolutely rate him better than Grevsmuhl.

Junior Paulo, Manu Ma'u, Kenny Edwards, Tepai Moeroa. Possibly Pauli Pauli.

Manu Ma'u I agree with. He was quite decent tonight and he is highly talented. Another critique I have of Brad Arthur is that he doesn't make best use of Ma'u's abilities. He is arguably the most dynamic back rower in the competition; I would trade him any day of the week for Chris McQueen.

As for Junior Paulo, the jury is still out as far as he is concerned - I've seen glimpses but he needs to start producing regularly. Grevsmuhl is a highly consistent player and has arguably been our most reliable forward. Kenny Edwards - no way; he is not even first grade standard for mine. Tepai Moeroa I'd have as been equal of Grevsmuhl in terms of talent and is very reliable. He is still young but I can definitely see him being in a Parramatta premiership winning team. In saying that, I've noticed a lot of people on here seem to be very critical of him. Pauli Pauli - no way. He is a monster of a man but I keep hearing he has an attitude problem and it shows on the field; he is lazy.

 

[T.S Quint]

Manu Ma'u I agree with. He was quite decent tonight and he is highly talented. Another critique I have of Brad Arthur is that he doesn't make best use of Ma'u's abilities. He is arguably the most dynamic back rower in the competition; I would trade him any day of the week for Chris McQueen.

As for Junior Paulo, the jury is still out as far as he is concerned - I've seen glimpses but he needs to start producing regularly. Grevsmuhl is a highly consistent player and has arguably been our most reliable forward. Kenny Edwards - no way; he is not even first grade standard for mine. Tepai Moeroa I'd have as been equal of Grevsmuhl in terms of talent and is very reliable. He is still young but I can definitely see him being in a Parramatta premiership winning team. In saying that, I've noticed a lot of people on here seem to be very critical of him. Pauli Pauli - no way. He is a monster of a man but I keep hearing he has an attitude problem and it shows on the field; he is lazy.

He's only played 2 games this season.
Give the bloke a break!

 

[souths_pride]

BAs issue is not knowing why we are getting beaten

BAs issues now are that he doesnt know how to fix it thi season.

What I also found unbelievable was in the pre-game interview with Yvonne Sampson where he almost suggest that he had zero confidence in Chris Sandow but implying that he was unreliable and doesn't follow instructions. If that is the case, then what is he doing in the team.