Round 11 Vs Knights

[Blues Riff]

Should've been unforced changes to the team.

I don't care how good a comeback it was, any team that gives up 28 first half points should have changes made to it.

The man will simply not drop people on form.

Ha yeah OK, so who's to blame for the conceded points? . Let's start with young Nat's kick out on the full. Perfect start, led directly to the first try. Then we've got Carty's wonderful floating pass, the intercept and Waqa's sin-binning. A couple more trys there. But it gets better. DWZ scratches his arse as a 40/20 rolls over the side line, next play fails to ground the ball ingoal, try. To top it all off Nathan attempts to outdo Carty with a stupid bat-on/pass. Intercept. f**king try.
So that's Cleary, Cartwright and Watene-Zelezniak to NSW cup.
Love your work Coach Herb.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Ha yeah OK, so who's to blame for the conceded points? . Let's start with young Nat's kick out on the full. Perfect start, led directly to the first try. Then we've got Carty's wonderful floating pass, the intercept and Waqa's sin-binning. A couple more trys there. But it gets better. DWZ scratches his arse as a 40/20 rolls over the side line, next play fails to ground the ball ingoal, try. To top it all off Nathan attempts to outdo Carty with a stupid bat-on/pass. Intercept. f**king try.
So that's Cleary, Cartwright and Watene-Zelezniak to NSW cup.
Love your work Coach Herb.

Yep.

Cartwright's a good starting point for unforced changes.

I never even came close to suggesting everyone who made a mistake that led directly to points should be canned, there's more too it than that, champ. There's a whole heap of reasons a team falls behind 28-6, no "coach" would ever be so simple minded as to blame the last mistake only. Except perhaps you..

 

[Blues Riff]

Yeah there's more to it. You want to punish someone for the stress caused.

 

[betcats]

Start with Whare, he is not pulling his weight at all and is missing crucial tackles semi regularly. Even Hiku is giving us more atm. I'd consider giving Latu a stint in reserve grade as well. Take Bryce out of the halves and move him to lock, Merrin to prop and bring Tamou or rcg off the bench.

 

[betcats]

If they are dead set against moving Moylan you could even start peach at 6 and just have Moylan doing the play making when we have the ball and peach is free to float around doing what he does best.

 

[GongPanther]

I really want to see Waqa continue his form from last week, he has this tendency to try and use his footwork and speed to try and go around people when he should just be trying to run over them. Against the warriors was probably the most ive seen him just run hard into the defence it was noticeable how much he was pushing the line back, once he realises how much damage he can do with his size and strength as well as his speed and footwork he will truly be a beast. He plays both sides too unlike a lot of centres.

Griffin would have had a quiet whisper in his ear in regards to looking back inside for support instead of trying to emulate Reg Gasnier.

As far as making changes.The only point Griffin has to put into the player's heads is to play smarter and don't cough up the ball,and cut down on the penalties near the 1/2 way. Observe how many tries get scored after giving up a penalty 50 yards out.Which turns into 30 yds out after the kick for touch.

 

[betcats]

Griffin would have had a quiet whisper in his ear in regards to looking back inside for support instead of trying to emulate Reg Gasnier.

As far as making changes.The only point Griffin has to put into the player's heads is to play smarter and don't cough up the ball,and cut down on the penalties near the 1/2 way. Observe how many tries get scored after giving up a penalty 50 yards out.Which turns into 30 yds out after the kick for touch.

In regard to Waqa, I wasn't referring to the try, I meant his early tackle count hitups, for a guy of his athletic abilities his hitups are usually underwhelming but on the weekend he was forcing the line back every time he ran it.

As for the bold, penalties and errors have been our weakness all year. Not dropping the ball and not giving away penalties is basic shit and we have got it right for one half of footy in the last 6 weeks. At some point you have to do more than just say it to them if the message isn't getting through.

The storm are in 1st and Bellamy just publicly threatened to drop players due to there poor defence and ball handling, we are 2nd or 3rd last and have been at or near the bottom of both missed tackles and errors all year and no one bar TMM has been dropped. Do you think that would be the case at the storm if they were at the bottom in those two stats? shit no, bellamy would not cop that.

 

[GongPanther]

In regard to Waqa, I wasn't referring to the try, I meant his early tackle count hitups, for a guy of his athletic abilities his hitups are usually underwhelming but on the weekend he was forcing the line back every time he ran it.

As for the bold, penalties and errors have been our weakness all year. Not dropping the ball and not giving away penalties is basic shit and we have got it right for one half of footy in the last 6 weeks. At some point you have to do more than just say it to them if the message isn't getting through.

Sorry Betcats,I quoted the wrong person.

 

[franklin2323]

Ha yeah OK, so who's to blame for the conceded points? . Let's start with young Nat's kick out on the full. Perfect start, led directly to the first try. Then we've got Carty's wonderful floating pass, the intercept and Waqa's sin-binning. A couple more trys there. But it gets better. DWZ scratches his arse as a 40/20 rolls over the side line, next play fails to ground the ball ingoal, try. To top it all off Nathan attempts to outdo Carty with a stupid bat-on/pass. Intercept. f**king try.
So that's Cleary, Cartwright and Watene-Zelezniak to NSW cup.
Love your work Coach Herb.

This is easily forgotten. We only missed 15 tackles on the weekend all tries off mistakes. Key players too so no chance they will get dropped

 

[OldPanther]

This is easily forgotten. We only missed 15 tackles on the weekend all tries off mistakes. Key players too so no chance they will get dropped

The best thing Griffin could have done is run through the second half stats in regards to errors Vs the rest of the year. Really drill the point home about the difference that some discipline makes.

 

[franklin2323]

The best thing Griffin could have done is run through the second half stats in regards to errors Vs the rest of the year. Really drill the point home about the difference that some discipline makes.

Been the case all year. Look at the start v Parra we messed the kickoff up and was defending for 5 mins. Yeo and a few others had simple drops when we finally got the ball.

Then against Broncos. Every one of their tries came off our mistakes.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Yeah there's more to it. You want to punish someone for the stress caused.

No.

Because it's not just the one match we were lucky to comeback an win.

Same story against Broncos

Same against Eels

Same against sharks


Those 4 games saw us with an aggregate 74 to 6 half time deficit.

Something is clearly wrong & just because we got lucky is no reason not to make some changes.

 

[betcats]

Been the case all year. Look at the start v Parra we messed the kickoff up and was defending for 5 mins. Yeo and a few others had simple drops when we finally got the ball.

Then against Broncos. Every one of their tries came off our mistakes.

I don't see how this comment argues against making changes, we have mistakes and poor discipline and defence killing us all year and no one is being held accountable, the best coaches find ways to fix that other then just telling them not to do it. If bellamy was our coach this shit wouldn't be happening and we would probably be in the top four, Griffin(or any coach) should be held to that standard.

Since Griffin took over we have been a slow starting team. I'd love to see our first half points differential since last year, it would be ugly.

 

[herbert henry1908]

This is easily forgotten. We only missed 15 tackles on the weekend all tries off mistakes. Key players too so no chance they will get dropped

Poor field position before the mistakes is also a big contributing factor. It's not just as simple as one mistake led to a try.

Given it was a pettern from the previous 3 games enforces this. Either that or we have the worse luck in the world.

 

[franklin2323]

I don't see how this comment argues against making changes, we have mistakes and poor discipline and defence killing us all year and no one is being held accountable, the best coaches find ways to fix that other then just telling them not to do it.

Yeo and CHN dropped the ball at crucial times against Broncos. Yeo also against Parra too. Cleary had a kick out on the full led to a try and an intercept lead to a sin bin and 2 tries. Cartwright messed the kickoff and dropped balls v Parra. Then threw an intercept on the weekend leading to tries

Do we drop them on those mistakes alone? Given most in the side has made stupid errors. We would have no team if that was the case. Do you think the players make those errors at training? Or even in warmups before the game.

i am not saying changes shouldn't be made just who and who replaces them is the question. Given they are important guys making them. When is the last time Browne or RCG made an error? Easier guys to replace

 

[franklin2323]

Poor field position before the mistakes is also a big contributing factor. It's not just as simple as one mistake led to a try.

Given it was a pettern from the previous 3 games enforces this. Either that or we have the worse luck in the world.

It all goes together really. You don't make the mistake teams can't keep getting repeat sets. This is the problem with so many young guys even NSW Cup is full of young guys. Would be good to have another few older heads around

 

[herbert henry1908]

Been the case all year. Look at the start v Parra we messed the kickoff up and was defending for 5 mins. Yeo and a few others had simple drops when we finally got the ball.

Then against Broncos. Every one of their tries came off our mistakes.

I don't buy this at all.

Good teams don't get punished in the first half purely because of the mistakes that lead directly to tries. Those mistakes are indicative of wider issues not just the bad luck they are. Teams playing with less confidence make more mistakes, teams with poor field position make mistakes in worse areas of the field.

Our problems go much deeper than a few ball handling & ill discipline mistakes.

 

[betcats]

Yeo and CHN dropped the ball at crucial times against Broncos. Yeo also against Parra too. Cleary had a kick out on the full led to a try and an intercept lead to a sin bin and 2 tries. Cartwright messed the kickoff and dropped balls v Parra. Then threw an intercept on the weekend leading to tries

Do we drop them on those mistakes alone? Given most in the side has made stupid errors. We would have no team if that was the case. Do you think the players make those errors at training? Or even in warmups before the game.

i am not saying changes shouldn't be made just who and who replaces them is the question. Given they are important guys making them. When is the last time Browne or RCG made an error? Easier guys to replace

Mate all I know is picking the same team that is getting destroyed in the first 40 most weeks and hoping they do better is dumb. Dropping one player even for a week sends a message to the whole squad, even threatening to do it sends a message. Sitting in press conferences acting like conceding multiple tries every first half is just unlucky is not going to get us anywhere. Its not luck when there is a pattern.

As I just said the storm are first and Bellamy is threatening to drop players for making the same mistakes that have almost ruined our season.

 

[herbert henry1908]

It all goes together really. You don't make the mistake teams can't keep getting repeat sets. This is the problem with so many young guys even NSW Cup is full of young guys. Would be good to have another few older heads around

Sure and teams that are more confident don't make as many mistakes. Confidence comes from the game plan & the coach.

When your forwards aren't rolling over the opposition more mistakes happen because you're under more pressure.

If there's an issue with youth in key positions that also comes back to admin. They haven't been forced into it by injuries, they made a conscious decision to go that way. And they thought it could succeed.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Mate all I know is picking the same team that is getting destroyed in the first 40 most weeks and hoping they do better is dumb. Dropping one player even for a week sends a message to the whole squad, even threatening to do it sends a message. Sitting in press conferences acting like conceding multiple tries every first half is just unlucky is not going to get us anywhere. Its not luck when there is a pattern.

As I just said the storm are first and Bellamy is threatening to drop players for making the same mistakes that have almost ruined our season.

74 to 6 in the last 4 first halves.

But yeah, it's all those last minute mistakes