Round 14: vs Dogs 🐕 Monday 13th June TEAM LIST

[Poupou Escobar]

Maybe it took him a year to get rid of the shit hey?? Or put his stamp on the side??

A year? He started there in 2012. Why didn't he put his stamp on the side then?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Those players are runners though. They make up for any lack of coordination with athleticism. I don't think Arthur will be able to do that.

He doesn't need to be as good as either of those players to become a first grader. As for his lack of coordination, his effectiveness in reserve grade at 19, with the kick and the pass, shows there are no problems there. He just needs strength and experience. What he lacks in speed he will make up for in strength from a physicality perspective.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

You miss the point as usual mate.

Yes the top teams still have better players and if two very well trained teams, one with elite players and the other with lesser quality players, played to their full potential, then sure the elite calibre team should almost always win.

But the point that Smith was making was that if the lesser teams trained much harder and to the level of the elite teams, then all those errors and mistakes that they make under fatigue in the non talent parts of the game would all but disappear and be of the standard of the better teams.

That then would mean dwindling energy levels and fadeouts would be at a minimum and the high energy levels needed to compete with for the entire game by the lesser/average teams could be sustained right to the end of the game, just like the top teams. Which would mean that we would see a lot less blowouts by the top teams putting the bunsen burner onto the lesser teams and waiting for the fatigue and errors to go their way and then they can take full advantage and take the game out.

If both teams could go set to set till the end then it would truly take the star players to make the difference to break the game and win it for them. So the best teams would always need to be switched on or the lesser team could easily jump to a commanding lead and then hold on and not fatigue or make errors and actually win games that now they have Buckley's of winning. We have seen many great leads by the lesser teams evaporate due to this fatigue that then manifests itself as errors, self doubt, panic and lack of confidence.

Look at the Cowboys this season ffs. Almost the same team as last season, but Todd Payten flogged them within an inch of their lives and put them through endless defensive drills to the point of beyond game conditions exhaustion and failure. He is famous for the quote that he wanted his players to be 'comfortable in feeling uncomfortable'. That now is evident in their game. They can absorb physically and mentally anything a team can throw at them. The only way a team can beat them now is through matching them and then some extra brilliance at the back of it. Remember most pundits had this team running with the spooners this season. But that extra fitness and endless repetition drills has transformed them into contenders.

Also how many times have we seen and heard the quote 'a champion team beat a team of champions'? This then would totally be applicable if the slacker teams picked up their game and train like the best teams. But as it stands there are to many Gen Z lazy slugs that need a rocket up them in the NRL. But then the tears and bitching would follow which is almost as bad as all your excuses. Are you sure you aren't a Gen Z'er pou? Cos you sure sound like one.

What you're describing is all part of what makes a player valuable, and therefore expensive. You need to weigh up a player's pros and cons, but all the affordable ones have negative traits. Some are weak, some are slow and some lack mental characteristics like the toughness and determination you describe. By the time a man hits a certain age this isn't something that is easy to change. It might even be as impossible as making him taller or more naturally athletic.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Since Manah has retired he has let slip a few times in his interview show and on TV that at Parra we had average and lower then required off seasons training protocols that contributed to less then stellar performances during the following seasons.

Yeah right, talking from his vast experience at all those NRL clubs. Just like Cameron Smith.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

In terms of people asking 'how would Smith and Cronk know if other teams didn't train as hard?' I reckon they would have some idea. Plenty of players from other clubs would have gone to the Storm and Roosters and commented on how their previous teams trained compared to the Storm / Roosters.

What else are they going to f**king say? It's the toughest preseason ever ffs

 

[hineyrulz]

A year? He started there in 2012. Why didn't he put his stamp on the side then?

Weren't we talking about Payten??? You been in father Maggot's crop again???

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Weren't we talking about Payten??? You been in father Maggot's crop again???

I thought you were talking about why Cleary did f**k all in his first season back at Penrith. If it took Payten a whole season to put his mark on the team why do you credit him with making the Warriors competitive in half a season ffs? At least back up your bullshit assertions with some facts. He’s won 22 games from 51 ffs, and you’re talking about him like he’s proven anything.

 

[hineyrulz]

I thought you were talking about why Cleary did f**k all in his first season back at Penrith. If it took Payten a whole season to put his mark on the team why do you credit him with making the Warriors competitive in half a season ffs? At least back up your bullshit assertions with some facts. He’s won 22 games from 51 ffs, and you’re talking about him like he’s proven anything.

Lol pot meet kettle.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I absolutely back up my arguments with facts. That’s why you merkins carry on with pOuPoU lOvEs StAtS!!!!!1

 

[Gary Gutful]

I thought you were talking about why Cleary did f**k all in his first season back at Penrith. If it took Payten a whole season to put his mark on the team why do you credit him with making the Warriors competitive in half a season ffs? At least back up your bullshit assertions with some facts. He’s won 22 games from 51 ffs, and you’re talking about him like he’s proven anything.

Need to start a ‘Number of wins till Payten gets to 50%’ thread in the Cowboys forum.

 

[hindy111]

I thought you were talking about why Cleary did f**k all in his first season back at Penrith. If it took Payten a whole season to put his mark on the team why do you credit him with making the Warriors competitive in half a season ffs? At least back up your bullshit assertions with some facts. He’s won 22 games from 51 ffs, and you’re talking about him like he’s proven anything.

Can I ask you to answer these questions. Cause I do feel your right and a rational thinker in many ways.

A - Do you feel different coaches have different training structures?

B - Do you feel different coaches have different ideas ?

C - Do you feel different coaches motivate players in different ways?

D - Do you feel different coaches prefer different strengths from players?

E - Do you feel different coaches becomes used to a sides style and should adjust it to keep opposition guessing?

Think of going to war and knowing what your enemy is going to throw at you. You would have to change your tactics pending if you had what is needed to beat them. I have no doubt BA is a solid coach. I feel the issue is our side is playing similar style since 2019. Back in 2017 we had a far less predictable attack. Norman and Semi where a big part of that. As was KE and Manu Mau. All dangerous and you didn't know exactly what they would do.

Lanes good but predictable. Same goes for Marata,Papali'i and Matterson.
Sides also know what N.Brown is about. They defend his short ball before the line. And Jnr isn't anywhere near as effective. Sides have worked out the way we attack with him. Good on BA for finding a way to make JNR an attacking weapon but currently he isn't effective. Just a big, skilful prop that's the defense are targeting knowing our attacks based around him.

And I don't think Guthersons been given a limited role at all. I reckon it's coming from sodes stopping Jnr which is limiting our space and quick backline spreads.

BA needs to adjust our game plan. The thing is he has done it before so there is no reason he won't do it again. The thing is it has been successfully and it still works when things go our way so he has stuck by it. Better we are getting to see our flaws. Gives him time to find a new style. I wouldn't be suprised if he has one but hasn't wanted to use it to early in the season knowing it will give the opposition to much time to work us out.

Now I do recall you talking how in 2001 sides couldn't stop us. But by the end of the season there where signs we where slowing down and by 2002 most sides had worked us out and we become average very fast. We then had to change our style. It didn't work, fans where all confused how we become so bad.

The only concern is if BA now has the squad to go forward. Jnr,N.Brown and RCG are all on heavy coin. They just may not be that suited to the styles the better sides are playing.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I dunno

 

[hindy111]

I dunno

Well you need to think about it because statistics do not take into account emotions.

 

[Gary Gutful]

A - Do you feel different coaches have different training structures?

B - Do you feel different coaches have different ideas ?

C - Do you feel different coaches motivate players in different ways?

D - Do you feel different coaches prefer different strengths from players?

E - Do you feel different coaches becomes used to a sides style and should adjust it to keep opposition guessing?

A - Definitely, but I think most of them broadly cover the same shit.

B - To an extent, but there would be more in common with most coaches than there would be points of difference.

C - Undoubtedly. However, if you have strong leaders at your club they take most of the responsibility for this.

D - Not in any meaningful way. Most coaches want low maintence merkins that rip in and do their job effectively.

E - Not if it means going away from your strengths. Its a pretty simple game. Game plans don't really have that much of a bearing on outcomes. This bullshit idea that Professor Brian Smith changed his game plan every week to keep the opposition guessing is highly fanciful and generally comes from merkins who spent 1997-2006 punching cones.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

All pretty obvious amswers, I think, and I’d be surprised if anyone disagreed. My concern is why @hindy111 would ask it.

 

[hindy111]

A - Definitely, but I think most of them broadly cover the same shit.

B - To an extent, but there would be more in common with most coaches than there would be points of difference.

C - Undoubtedly. However, if you have strong leaders at your club they take most of the responsibility for this.

D - Not in any meaningful way. Most coaches want low maintence merkins that rip in and do their job effectively.

E - Not if it means going away from your strengths. Its a pretty simple game. Game plans don't really have that much of a bearing on outcomes. This bullshit idea that Professor Brian Smith changed his game plan every week to keep the opposition guessing is highly fanciful and generally comes from merkins who spent 1997-2006 punching cones.

I think you've done ok in your response. But didn't rock my socks off.

 

[hindy111]

All pretty obvious amswers, I think, and I’d be surprised if anyone disagreed. My concern is why @hindy111 would ask it.

I'm eating HALVA. Lucky for you it's put me in a good mood.

 

[emjaycee]

Can I ask you to answer these questions. Cause I do feel your right and a rational thinker in many ways.

A - Do you feel different coaches have different training structures?

B - Do you feel different coaches have different ideas ?

C - Do you feel different coaches motivate players in different ways?

D - Do you feel different coaches prefer different strengths from players?

E - Do you feel different coaches becomes used to a sides style and should adjust it to keep opposition guessing?

My answers:

A - Yes, of course they do. Some have their players running laps around the oval for most of the session and then just do a few minutes of passing drills while others do high altitude training in case they have to play an away game in Nepal next year.

B - Coaches don't have ideas. They get all the things they need to be a professional NRL coach from internet forums and James Hooper.

C - I did hear that a famous coach in the late 80's used to slap his players around. Then after a movie night watching Brokeback Mountain the slapping changed. I think that is called motivation, or at least it sounds a bit like it.

D - Coaches definitely prefer players with different strengths. I think the ones that can cook the best are their favourites though.

E - Nope. Adjusting playing styles wouldn't keep the opposition guessing, but it would confuse the players in the coaches team. Have you not met many footballers?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Actually I’m sure at least some merkins think player personalities have no impact on the functioning of the team, and that they are all effectively robots controlled by the coach.

And for the last question there must be some merkins dumb enough to think you’d go away from your strengths just for the opportunity to target an opposition weakness. But then every team will send more traffic at an opponent’s weaker side over 80 minutes. You see this in different opposition tackle counts week to week. Different ratios of touches and runs by our players. Even the types of kicks we use.

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

Isn't it usually just boot to ball?