Round 20 v The Northern Beaches Scum

[Pomoz]

How many offloads occured in the first 60 minutes against how many in the final 20?

Mansour scored off a Blake offload. Blake scored off a Kikau offload. Offloads were barely part of our game until the final 20 minutes. They certainly weren't offloading like that in the first 60 minutes.

They threw caution to the wind and played naturally. It was a lot more than the same game plan only running harder. If ghat was the issue it woild have been easily fixed at halftime.

Apparently even Gus making mention of it being natural talent coming through isnt enough.

Gus also said, they followed the game plan harder. You need to read both tweets, not be selective.

 

[mxlegend99]

Gus also said, they followed the game plan harder. You need to read both tweets, not be selective.

Why? You're being selective. And that tweet is a piss take.

His first tweet couldn't be more to the point. His second looked like the shit he knew he was supposed to say and sounded more like he was taking thr piss out of it.

Attacked the game plan harder? Makes it look non structured? Yeah that post was him doing the bare minimum to make it look like he wasn't insulting the coaching.

The style of play changed. Ofcourse our players stayed in their same positions. But these guys went from not taking risks to not wanting to die with the ball.

 

[Pomoz]

Why? You're being selective. And that tweet is a piss take.

His first tweet couldn't be more to the point. His second looked like the shit he knew he was supposed to say and sounded more like he was taking thr piss out of it.

Attacked the game plan harder? Makes it look non structured? Yeah that post was him doing the bare minimum to make it look like he wasn't insulting the coaching.

The style of play changed. Ofcourse our players stayed in their same positions. But these guys went from not taking risks to not wanting to die with the ball.

Well MX, in amongst your many talents appears to be the ability to read Gus's mind, so you can ignore the words and superimpose some other meaning based on your inside knowledge of what he really mean't.

Others think he meant they lifted intensity, or, in my case, that they started to move the ball more and target the edges. Thanks for letting us know what he really mean't was they improved when they just made it up as they went along.

 

[mxlegend99]

Well MX, in amongst your many talents appears to be the ability to read Gus's mind, so you can ignore the words and superimpose some other meaning based on your inside knowledge of what he really mean't.

Others think he meant they lifted intensity, or, in my case, that they started to move the ball more and target the edges. Thanks for letting us know what he really mean't was they improved when they just made it up as they went along.

He posted exactly what he was thinking. Pretty clearly.

If that's reading his mind then anyone can do it. Panther_Daz is a reliable source and has confirmed how Gus feels.

Yet you're trying to cling to a tweet later posted which is worded terribly and given the tone of his earlier message and other tweets looks more like he is mocking the 'game plan'.

I'll take his first tweet where he didnt mix his words and waz straight to the point. Our natural talent won that game.

Considrrinh how often we've done iy, i find it hard to believe anyone cant see the change in style when we finally throw the game plan out. For one we attack the football. We try yo keep it alive on every play snd the team are all supporting knowing the offloads are coming. That doesn't happen in the opening 60 minutes. Offloads rarely occur and when they do are unexpected.

But yeah... we make all these comebacks by sticking to a failing game plan and not taking more risks.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Well, to be fair, our backs have consisted of ISP players and fill ins for a large chunk of the season. Against Manly, we had the old firm back on the wings and our proper centres for one of the few times this season. Guess what, when it came down to the wire it was those players that won us the game by finishing off tries. Put Crichton and Phillips on the wings and Yeo or CHN back in the centres and we lose that game.

I don't think we know what this team is capable of because it has never played together more than a few games.

It’s not the talent of the squad that had me worried, I said before the start of the season I thought we had a top 4 squad. It’s the tactics we use. It’s either dominate the forwards or wait for the other team to tire. Not a hell of a lot else.

You’re definitely right that we should play better when the full squad has a few matches together under their belt, but I’ve seen Hooks tactics for almost 3 seasons now, there not much of anything there. We’ll need more to make the step up to compete with the Roosters, Storm & Souths.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Anyway I think the team needs to make a really big statement against the raiders, blow them off the park type stuff.

 

[TheFrog]

This match bears some remarkable resemblance to the 2000 win 32-31 over the Wests Tigers, widely regarded as a Panthers classic. Like yesterday, the first half was fairly tight with little to suggest the drama that lie ahead. We scored early, they replied and then scored again, and it was 13-8 Tigers at half time. Within 10 minutes of the resumption the Tigers had put on three converted tries through inadequate defence, not unlike what we saw yesterday in the early part of the second half. It looked like it could be anything. Just like yesterday, the Panthers steadied and fought back. The first of four converted tries came after a further 10 minutes, and within a further 10 minutes we were back in front. There were no further points added in the last 10 minutes. Yesterday, the final try was scored with 7 minutes to go.

I don't really know why yesterday's win isn't held in the same reverence as the 2000 win. The 2000 game is on the 50th anniversary box set, maybe yesterday's game will be on the next one but somehow I doubt it.

 

[TheFrog]

If that's reading his mind then anyone can do it. Panther_Daz is a reliable source and has confirmed how Gus feels.

Seems like he's reading his mind too, which I alluded to earlier.

 

[franklin2323]

Brandy was on MMM after the game sounding like someone had just run over his dog. I think Wendall wanted to talk up Kikau but Brandy was giving him nothing.

Said along the lines that a couple of players should not have played and need to get over injuries. No names nor who made the call - coach or players. But seemed very unimpressed that players playing injured were affecting the team's performance.

DWZ and Maloney was the 2 injured. Both had shockers.

In these cases usually the coaching staff are split and ask the doctor or the players.

 

[franklin2323]

I think Manly ran out of juice, and they sensed it, especially after the Mansour try. Prior to that, Manly had had the lion's share of the pill in the second half, and they'd found a couple of holes, which they are quite capable of doing, they did it to the Roosters as well. When possession turned, so did the game.

Our completion rate ended at 80%, which is a pass mark. But some defensive problems close to the line and also on the edges leading to the DCE try need urgent attention. The Raiders may be out of the running but they'll find holes if they are there.

The Fainu try Yeo had a bad miss. So not just limited to our bad defenders

 

[betcats]

In these cases usually the coaching staff are split and ask the doctor or the players.

How do you know that? Have you worked with an nrl team?

 

[franklin2323]

How do you know that? Have you worked with an nrl team?

I went to school with 2 members of our 03 winning team both of whom played elsewhere too. As well as a few guys from work that played in 2014 and 15 NYC team.

They all say the same thing from all their clubs.

Tuesday morning there is a selection meeting. Head coach, Assistants are there of course. Lower grade coach gives updates on players answers questions about certain players.

Injured players don't train with the main group so then medical staff come in and give updates. Say x player needs limited training or x player can't play.

That is when the coaches pick the team.

 

[betcats]

I went to school with 2 members of our 03 winning team both of whom played elsewhere too. As well as a few guys from work that played in 2014 and 15 NYC team.

They all say the same thing from all their clubs.

Tuesday morning there is a selection meeting. Head coach, Assistants are there of course. Lower grade coach gives updates on players answers questions about certain players.

Injured players don't train with the main group so then medical staff come in and give updates. Say x player needs limited training or x player can't play.

That is when the coaches pick the team.

Its funny, when Cleary was fired I distinctly remember you blaming him for picking injured players and using it as part of the reason he was fired.

If we are picking players that aren't fit over multiple weeks it falls squarely on the head coach, he picked them. Trying to absolve him of that responsibility is a joke, the doctors do not pick the team mate, Hook does that.

Perhaps the recent rumours of tension between the medical staff and hook stem from Hook not taking the medical staffs advice. That seems far more likely then the medical staff and players declaring people fit when they aren't, lol this place.

 

[OldPanther]

Its funny, when Cleary was fired I distinctly remember you blaming him for picking injured players and using it as part of the reason he was fired.

If we are picking players that aren't fit over multiple weeks it falls squarely on the head coach, he picked them. Trying to absolve him of that responsibility is a joke, the doctors do not pick the team mate, Hook does that.

Perhaps the recent rumours of tension between the medical staff and hook stem from Hook not taking the medical staffs advice. That seems far more likely then the medical staff and players declaring people fit when they aren't, lol this place.

Those rumors about Ivan definitely went around. I'd say head coach can still override the medics due to their position.

 

[franklin2323]

Its funny, when Cleary was fired I distinctly remember you blaming him for picking injured players and using it as part of the reason he was fired.

If we are picking players that aren't fit over multiple weeks it falls squarely on the head coach, he picked them. Trying to absolve him of that responsibility is a joke, the doctors do not pick the team mate, Hook does that.

Did you see the huge padding on Latrell's sternum the last 2 weeks? He is one playing injured and doing it well. So depends on the injuries and stuff like that I guess.

I trust the board and Gus will determine that in the post season reviews but so far no one has been re-injured from coming back early as Soward, DWZ and Mansour were in 2015.

 

[betcats]

Those rumors about Ivan definitely went around. I'd say head coach can still override the medics due to their position.

Of course they can if the player is willing, hook is picking injured players and they are playing like shit.

 

[franklin2323]

Those rumors about Ivan definitely went around. I'd say head coach can still override the medics due to their position.

Coaches want to win games. If DWZ re-injured himself coming back early than the coach has no escape. I guess we see how he looks this week

 

[OldPanther]

Coaches want to win games. If DWZ re-injured himself coming back early than the coach has no escape. I guess we see how he looks this week

Hopefully better. Hamstrings usually take up to 3 or 4 weeks.

 

[franklin2323]

Hopefully better. Hamstrings usually take up to 3 or 4 weeks.

If it was playing a week early injured it will show.

 

[betcats]

Did you see the huge padding on Latrell's sternum the last 2 weeks? He is one playing injured and doing it well. So depends on the injuries and stuff like that I guess.

I trust the board and Gus will determine that in the post season reviews but so far no one has been re-injured from coming back early as Soward, DWZ and Mansour were in 2015.

Maloney was god awful last week, how did he go this week? He is in the worst form ive ever seen him. If he is hurt rest him because he is a liability. That was obvious after last week, its just such poor coaching.