Round 21 v Bulldogs @ Pepper Stadium

[ACTPanthers]

I've noticed our halves have had to clean up a few grubbers the last few weeks I wonder why? Lol people used to blow up at Moylan for that calling him soft and lazy etc, they are obviously coached to defend that way close to the line.

I used to scream at the tele when Moylan was defending at marker 5 meters out lol - It's a strange move imo, but Cleary seems pretty good at cleaning up when the FB isn't there to do it.

 

[betcats]

So we could of picked it up and scored? the play is dead once we knock on

Nah I think he is right, they can pick it up and run 100 so its not dead. If the ball actually went dead off the knock on then the 20m tap is correct.

 

[betcats]

I used to scream at the tele when Moylan was defending at marker 5 meters out lol - It's a strange move imo, but Cleary seems pretty good at cleaning up when the FB isn't there to do it.

Its common across the league now though, I don't particularly like it but its how they and a number of other sides are coached.

Cleary reads it wonderfully well, I remember last season after he'd played around 5-10 games hearing a stat from Middo that since his debut no player has jumped on more loose balls than Cleary. The first time I saw the kid play I came on here and said he looks like a young Cooper Cronk and I think that is such a Cronk like stat, just shows the desire of the kid to have that stat at 18 after your first few games.

 

[OldPanther]

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[mxlegend99]

I've noticed our halves have had to clean up a few grubbers the last few weeks I wonder why? Lol people used to blow up at Moylan for that calling him soft and lazy etc, they are obviously coached to defend that way close to the line.

Dylan Edwards averages 68.1 kick return metres.
Moyan averaged 21.9 kick return metres.

Edwards does a lot more at fullback then Moylan did. Moylan is softer and lazier than Edwards... Edwards goes 100% on every play in attack and defence. Moylan didn't.

No one is perfect. Even the best can be caught out or make mistakes. The difference with Edwards is you know he gave his all on a play. Moylan often looked like it was a half hearted attempt.

Sadly alot of our players expect someone else to do the work in defence and only half heartedly attempt to tackle.

 

[age.s]

It was ugly, but that's how it goes against the dogs. They were fired up after being hammered last week but they're nowhere near good enough to build off the platform that energy gives them. They've probably got the worst halves combination in the comp. I'd have loved us to have looked better but you can only play what's in front of you.

I thought we looked much better in the 20 than we did earlier in the season though. Edwards being a dangerous runner adds so much dynamism when he slots into a backline movement. Puts the defense in two minds (something Moylan didn't do) and combined with some extra depth I think we're much more potent (albeit starting from a low base). It's not enough to put us in the contenders category but the pieces really are there.

Cartwright was quiet, but had a few nice touches and will be better for the run. Probably Tamous best game in our jersey which is great to see. He plays like that all year and I'm happy with him as a signing.

Feel for Latu. It was great to see him fire up last week after coming out against those rumours. Real shame for the guy.

 

[OldPanther]

I'm just surprised people are having issues with our attack. While it didn't finish as well as it should they showed they have fixed a lot of the issues. The centres are getting involved, the halves are ball playing to forwards a bit to stop the constant one out (which has helped Tamou particularly), we have added attacking kicks (though May could learn to grubber). DWZ had an off night and at least 2 were knocked out of his hands.

Also the Dogs were shifting 2 passes wide and kicking to avoid Edwards for obvious reasons.

 

[betcats]

Dylan Edwards averages 68.1 kick return metres.
Moyan averaged 21.9 kick return metres.

Edwards does a lot more at fullback then Moylan did. Moylan is softer and lazier than Edwards... Edwards goes 100% on every play in attack and defence. Moylan didn't.

No one is perfect. Even the best can be caught out or make mistakes. The difference with Edwards is you know he gave his all on a play. Moylan often looked like it was a half hearted attempt.

Sadly alot of our players expect someone else to do the work in defence and only half heartedly attempt to tackle.

Im not bagging Edwards lol Im just pointing out the stupidity of bagging Moylan for it. Watch the broncos play, their halves are always cleaning up grubbers and postionally Boyd is generally perfect, one of if not the best. Its not about making a mistake or being caught out or a lack of effort, its just physically impossible to cover the entire in goal when you are defending in the line so the halves have to help out and yet people would use it to bag a guy because it suited their argument, its just flat out ridiculous.

 

[snickers007]

So we could of picked it up and scored? the play is dead once we knock on

No. Penrith knocked on AND made the ball dead. They don't receive any advantage.

The Bulldogs (as the non offending team) do receive an advantage - whichever is greater for them (as the non offending team).

This is advantage 101. Without this rule every knock on would result in a scrum regardless of who picks it up.

 

[YoungPanther]

We still have the same issues we have always had.

As mentioned earlier - discipline, discipline, discipline

Almost every game we do something stupid. Last night it was DWZ turn, but it will be someone else next week.

DWZ dropped the ball on the first tackle twice. This effectively gave the Dogs a 12 tackle set. It is hard to wrestle momentum back when this occurs and hurts us.Until we can learn to eradicate these stupid errors out of our game, we will always struggle to match it with anyone decent.

And don't get me started on the Wallace dropped pass to Peach.

 

[OldPanther]

We still have the same issues we have always had.

As mentioned earlier - discipline, discipline, discipline

Almost every game we do something stupid. Last night it was DWZ turn, but it will be someone else next week.

DWZ dropped the ball on the first tackle twice. This effectively gave the Dogs a 12 tackle set. It is hard to wrestle momentum back when this occurs and hurts us.Until we can learn to eradicate these stupid errors out of our game, we will always struggle to match it with anyone decent.

And don't get me started on the Wallace dropped pass to Peach.

DWZ wasn't doing anything stupid. He wasnt holding the ball weird or anything. He had the ball knocked out twice as well.

 

[OldPanther]

No. Penrith knocked on AND made the ball dead. They don't receive any advantage.

The Bulldogs (as the non offending team) do receive an advantage - whichever is greater for them (as the non offending team).

This is advantage 101. Without this rule every knock on would result in a scrum regardless of who picks it up.

The more I think about it I realise you're right.

 

[betcats]

DWZ wasn't doing anything stupid. He wasnt holding the ball weird or anything. He had the ball knocked out twice as well.

It was a loose carry twice, then the dumb attempt at playing the ball. Another was a hospital pass and I cant remember the fifth. At least 3 were shocking mistakes IMO.

 

[MrBlack]

I don't think the game was tough at all. It was close, mainly due to the ineptitude of both sides in attack rather than any great display of effort or skill.

Both teams desperate for a win (for different reasons). Neither was willing to jeopardise the win by playing expansive footy (although one was incapable of it). Was a potential danger game for us so did just enough for the cookies.

......Could be worse, we could be Dogs fans.

 

[OldPanther]

It was a loose carry twice, then the dumb attempt at playing the ball. Another was a hospital pass and I cant remember the fifth. At least 3 were shocking mistakes IMO.

Yeah he had a shocker I just don't like this mentality of crucify someone after one game. We had people go after Moylan after the Warriors game. DWZ this week.

 

[betcats]

Yeah he had a shocker I just don't like this mentality of crucify someone after one game. We had people go after Moylan after the Warriors game. DWZ this week.

Oh yeah that happens for sure. Similar to what ive just been getting at with people bagging Moylan for his FB play or even people will crucify peach if he doesn't pass when he should but waqa(who is much worse in this regard really) isn't bagged anywhere near as much. I am still gobsmacked someone bagged peachey for being a hog after his pass was knocked down by the defence last night and yet failed to mention Waqa's one which was much worse. I am happy to live with it from both players but there is some clear hypocrisy here from some of us at different times.

 

[MrBlack]

DWZ just had one of those games.

Still scored a nice try and could easily have had 2 others.

His kick returns have been a feature all year, real venom.

 

[Fangs]

Had Whare played last night we would have scored more points. He should honestly be released to a better club who will make use of his skillset.

 

[franklin2323]

Nah I think he is right, they can pick it up and run 100 so its not dead. If the ball actually went dead off the knock on then the 20m tap is correct.

Only if they pass where the infringment occured though. My point is if that if pick it up and are caught ingoal it comes back to the 10 for the scrum. So isn't it going dead the same as the ball being killed

Oh yeah that happens for sure. Similar to what ive just been getting at with people bagging Moylan for his FB play or even people will crucify peach if he doesn't pass when he should but waqa(who is much worse in this regard really) isn't bagged anywhere near as much. I am still gobsmacked someone bagged peachey for being a hog after his pass was knocked down by the defence last night and yet failed to mention Waqa's one which was much worse. I am happy to live with it from both players but there is some clear hypocrisy here from some of us at different times.

For me the issue with Peachey is he is better used somewhere else. The basic errors as a centre is just part of that. Blake does the basic errors but is playing in his true position

 

[franklin2323]

No. Penrith knocked on AND made the ball dead. They don't receive any advantage.

The Bulldogs (as the non offending team) do receive an advantage - whichever is greater for them (as the non offending team).

This is advantage 101. Without this rule every knock on would result in a scrum regardless of who picks it up.

So if we put it dead isn't it like us killing the ball in which case it should comeback to the knock on. it is not what the 7 tackle was set up for. That would now make a well placed bomb that lands 10 out from the goal line now in risk of giving away 7 tackles