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Round 21 vs. the SCUM

Old Timer

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So what’s wrong with that? They won the GF FFS! If what you’re saying about our attack is true, and today’s team was defending their assess off and winning games, what would the issue be? What exactly do you want? The 2010 team to have scored more points and win the GF more convincingly?
Indeed I would have liked to have seen our attack unshackled and allowed to show its true potency.
In respect of what I want it is for things to be compared in a correct and fair manner.

Namely our attack has been miserable including under Bennett and that our defence since Bennett is woeful and defence was the true strength of Bennett’s time at our club.

FFS he had more than enough firepower to win 3 comps with us and he won 1 in the year the Storm were rendered meaningless.

All the excuses re 2011 are just that excuses big bad Wayne should have won that comp in a canter and he failed to do so despite all the hype re his mentoring skills.
 

Old Timer

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You have a point regarding Hook.

After all, these are the only issues with his coaching in two years:
-He has failed to implement an effective attack
-He has failed to implement an effective defence
-He has failed to mentor juniors
-He has failed to implement any form of gameplan

Other than the above, he has done a stirling job
Your are missing the point that is being made and most likely deliberately so.
 

R&WTILLIDIE

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You have a point regarding Hook.

After all, these are the only issues with his coaching in two years:
-He has failed to implement an effective attack
-He has failed to implement an effective defence
-He has failed to mentor juniors
-He has failed to implement any form of gameplan

Other than the above, he has done a stirling job
Ah. So only a few minor issues that can be fixed with a Band-Aid. I’d say we’re in a pretty good place ATM
 

I'm Hornby

Juniors
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You have a point regarding Hook.

After all, these are the only issues with his coaching in two years:
-He has failed to implement an effective attack
-He has failed to implement an effective defence
-He has failed to mentor juniors
-He has failed to implement any form of gameplan

Other than the above, he has done a stirling job
Love the speculation on all of the above things, you must work for the club to be able to know all of those things for certain?

If you're basing the above four things on the 80 minutes per week you watch from the couch without any insight in to the inner mechanisms of the team, I would say it's a pretty short sighted conclusion to draw.

Funny though, seeing as you like to speculate on the finer details of a coach's impact or lack there of on a team, could you offer me some of your insight on how prior to Griffin coming to the dragons, he somehow managed to coach his teams to finals in seven out of the eight NRL first grade seasons he coached?
 

Old Timer

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Seriously?

Ok, if you want to resort to personal attacks when others want to engage in a discussion, then I wish you an enjoyable remainder of the week end.
It’s not a personal attack it is simply my opinion of your post

The conversation IMO is about how benign our attack was under Bennett and how defence won the comp and would we be less critical of our attack in 2022 if our defence was that of 2010?
 

dannyt

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Love the speculation on all of the above things, you must work for the club to be able to know all of those things for certain?

If you're basing the above four things on the 80 minutes per week you watch from the couch without any insight in to the inner mechanisms of the team, I would say it's a pretty short sighted conclusion to draw.

Funny though, seeing as you like to speculate on the finer details of a coach's impact or lack there of on a team, could you offer me some of your insight on how prior to Griffin coming to the dragons, he somehow managed to coach his teams to finals in seven out of the eight NRL first grade seasons he coached?
LOL. I didn't realise that the the argument "what would you know?" carried any weight on a public footy forum!

Ok. You're happy with Griffin's coaching, I'm not. Not much else to discuss, but Griffin has also been sacked from his last two coaching gigs. It would appear others who know a fair bit about football were also not happy with Griffin's coaching.
 

slippery5

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It could have been so so much better but we became satisfied because we won a comp
With the riches he inherited and the talent that came the simple reality is we should have done better.
But we refuse to question any of it and accept some mediocrity in amongst it.
2011 was a clusterf**k of the highest order.
Clustf**k. one of the great one liners by the great Clint Eastwood in Heartbreak ridge
 

slippery5

Juniors
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Without knowing the answer, I'de guess our highest try scorer in 2010 would have been B.Moz???
It was mentioned last night JDB is one try from being our leading try scorer on some low number ??
I'm sure someone will search those stats..
 

I'm Hornby

Juniors
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LOL. I didn't realise that the the argument "what would you know?" carried any weight on a public footy forum!

Ok. You're happy with Griffin's coaching, I'm not. Not much else to discuss, but Griffin has also been sacked from his last two coaching gigs. It would appear others who know a fair bit about football were also not happy with Griffin's coaching.
Going back to my original point, our team/club has not done much in the way of improvement for at least a decade, if not two.

Whomever is pulling the reigns as head coach whether it remain Hook for the foreseeable future or whether someone else takes over, will continue to have a huge job on their hands. All the whinging and impatient supporters in the world won't change this cold hard fact.

Griffin fitted the mould of the coach most were crying out for during Mary's tenure, IE must come from outside the system, be experienced.

Surprising to some, the team's performance hasn't drastically improved over the past two seasons with our new coach. So now it seems everyone is quick to turn on him, I'd still love to know how he managed to get Brisbane and Penrith playing consistent finals in his time with both, especially when so many are convinced he is a yobbo from QLD who can't coach to save his life.

That's really insightful as well that Griffin was sacked in his past head coaching roles, I'm sure you won't find that with the majority of coaches out there would you?

Also I don't know where I said I think Griffin is doing a good job, could you point that out for me?

Just so you know where I stand to help you from making other wild assumptions, it's from a place of wanting the experienced coach from outside the system that we find ourselves with to be able to improve the fortunes of the team.

I hate to break it to you but there are no quick fixes in the position we find ourselves in.

Decades of short sighted and poor decision making from the powers at be won't be fixed overnight.
 

Mojo

Bench
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Yes absolutely correct, then when Coach told the team he was leaving, that deflated them to a point that they lost their desire. That’s how much Coach has influence on his footy side, they couldn’t get over he was leaving them.
We can test this theory by telling them he’s staying and see what happens. D’oh, that’s right, we’ve already tried that.
 

redVinme

Bench
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Bennett brought in the likes of Weyman, Boyd and Costigan to an already good team. He made a good team better. Meanwhile Hook has brought in the likes of Sharon, Moga and Burgess to a team that was already shit. You really can’t say that Bennett was lucky. He made a good team better whilst Hook has made a bad team even worse.
If we are comparing apples with apples I'd say hook bought sua, Molo and Suli. Which is even worse because he bought 3 good players to a shit team and we haven't moved one place up the ladder 😂
 

Lovemedragons

Juniors
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If the real truth be known the club was somewhat underwhelming when Bennett was here
We played stoic uninspiring football and despite having real chances to win 3 comps we won only 1 and that was the year Melbourne played for for no points.
It was great to win a comp but there needs to be proper reflection surrounding that
aw cmon its all I got from the last 40 years!
 

justadragon

Bench
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i think its pointless comparing coaches or stats between 2010 and 2022, the game has changed so much, rule changes etc to make the game quicker and hence more points scored. Bennett did what he needed to do to win at that time which was instill a good defense and hold teams out. Now is based around attacking footy, very mobile forwards and backs that can finish things off. this is my perception and griffin does not have either the players or the attacking plans to get the job done in todays NRL, its not helping our juniors and it still remains to be seen if they are good enough, unfortunately the exposure they need has to be in FG, if you have watched any of the ressies games its many standards below, so we are in a bit of a catch 22 there. So we either have them in first grade and suck it up when mistakes happen and yes we lose games because of it , or punt them all back to ressies, but who do we replace them with because we are not buying players this year, its a big mess and it wont be fixed for the next few years i think, I blame the board at the start, we let things go after 2010 and ran them to a rabble and now we are reaping the rewards of that, guess what there are none.
 

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