Round 22 v Plucked chooks

[Panther Pete]

Ive got no issue with it and don't see how he's a dog. Eels cheated the salary cap for years giving them an unfair advantage in signing/keeping players. Hayne being one of them.

Hayne is going to a club that thinks he is worth $1.2m per season. Eels offered $800k per season. He's clearly worth more than that and how many people on the planet would choose the lesser paying job?

Loyalty is great... but $400k per season is a huge difference. How many players would be willing to sacrifice that for loyalty?

Where did you get your $1.2m and $800k figures from?

 

[mxlegend99]

Where did you get your $1.2m and $800k figures from?

Those are what the media reported. The Eels deal wasn't even close to it and the Eels confirmed that when they came out and said they had made him an offer.

Although he was ready to sign that Titans deal before Eels made a verbal offer nowhere near as lucrative.

He made the same decision anyone would have made.

 

[Pomoz]

Thoughts if Hayne is allowed to play for Titans? Could mean it keeps use or NZ out of top 8 - IMO it stinks.
The guy is a major DOG - Blamed the club for his dreams and money chasing.

Hindy111, I can't agree he is a dog. He did nothing wrong in leaving Parra and they had an opportunity to sign him when he came back. The club let him go and used the money to try and sign a star roster. He wasn't to know they would stuff it up by cheating the cap.

The Farah/Taylor incident shows that loyalty is not part of league. Players need to earn as much as they can, when they can. Look at Watmough and Adam Docker. Medically retired and not even made it to mid 30's. Docker was gone at 25 years of age. The NRL caps what they can earn so it actually creates a higher chance that players will be disloyal as they chase the dollars.

As fans, we have no right to tell players who to play for, we don't get our bodies busted and endure painful rehab and surgery. We don't have to train in 35 degree heat in the summer until we puke. We don't have to limit our partying so we don't get targeted by publicity seekers (hello Mitchell Pearce).

Not sure he will go that well at the Titans immediately, he would have to be a bit rusty and unfit.

 

[Frankus]

Hindy111, I can't agree he is a dog. He did nothing wrong in leaving Parra and they had an opportunity to sign him when he came back. The club let him go and used the money to try and sign a star roster. He wasn't to know they would stuff it up by cheating the cap.

The Farah/Taylor incident shows that loyalty is not part of league. Players need to earn as much as they can, when they can. Look at Watmough and Adam Docker. Medically retired and not even made it to mid 30's. Docker was gone at 25 years of age. The NRL caps what they can earn so it actually creates a higher chance that players will be disloyal as they chase the dollars.

As fans, we have no right to tell players who to play for, we don't get our bodies busted and endure painful rehab and surgery. We don't have to train in 35 degree heat in the summer until we puke. We don't have to limit our partying so we don't get targeted by publicity seekers (hello Mitchell Pearce).

Not sure he will go that well at the Titans immediately, he would have to be a bit rusty and unfit.

Most of us probably aren't paid 250k per annum to play a game either. And that is probably below the average wage.

Sorry if I'm misinterpreted your post but are you defending the actions of "publicity seekers"? The players are supposed to be role models whether they like it or not - however you slice it pissing yourself on a strangers lounge, getting caught with MDMA caps, associating with underworld figures, calling NRL officials merkins, bashing your 50kg girlfriend to a pulp or whatever else you can think of that these players have got up to is simply not f**king good enough.

 

[Pomoz]

I don't defend people who hit women, ever. I don't defend people who get caught with drugs, I have nothing against drug taking personally, wanna get high? As long as you don't drive or become violent, fill your boots. Trouble is it's illegal so you can't defend that. I don't defend people mixing with underworld figures, groping women or anything violent.

I do defend guys who have their photo taken in private (Carney, Pearce, Monahan) doing something stupid, but not illegal and the snapper then selling, or releasing the photos to humiliate a player. They are drop kicks. Pearce did nothing that warranted that fine. The person who took the footage is a ponce trying to make money. Those publicity seekers I have no time for. Players now have to vet everybody they are with before they go out.

 

[Pomoz]

This is an interesting philosophical debate. Most players give up the opportunity for training when they pursue a football career. Some manage to go to Uni, some do Tafe diplomas. Most are unable to do it. They put the rest of their life on hold in pursuit of a first grade contract. $250K may seem like good money, but it is not a good wage if you only get it for 5 or 6 years and then find yourself with no qualifications or experience and have to take a normal job. John Cartwright was driving a beer truck before he got a gig as a coach. I came across an ex Penrith player (Garen Casey) selling oil spillage products and then he was selling IT training. All average jobs.

Of course they can start a new career when they finish and retrain, but that takes time and they will be on either no wages or low wages. A few strike lucky and get a media or coaching job but their are 400 first grade players fighting over a small amount of coaching and media jobs.

In the context of the very short career most of the players have, regardless of how much they are paid, I think they have every right to try and maximise their earnings and loyalty has no part to play.

 

[hindy111]

He did walk out of a contract actually. Do contracts mean anything these days?

 

[umina panther]

No he didn't. Was granted a release

 

[GongPanther]

Yea...Panthers by 30+.

 

[mxlegend99]

He did walk out of a contract actually. Do contracts mean anything these days?

As mentioned he was granted a release. Although his contract was dodgy from the Eels and they were cheating the salary cap with his contract.

Any Eels contract breaking the rules is worth nothing. The contract he was released from was dodgy and it's hard to feel the Eels were hard done by here.

They did it to themselves.

 

[Pomoz]

Hindy111, the fact he was released suggest to me the club knew they were in trouble with the cap. As we now know, if he had stayed the breaches would have been even worse, although it is unlikely they would have secured Jennings. His leaving, probably helped the club.

 

[betcats]

Doubtful? There no way they get him. TBH they must of known Hayne was leaving when they went after Foran I think.

 

[TheFrog]

Hindy111, the fact he was released suggest to me the club knew they were in trouble with the cap.

Maybe they just realised that forcing a player to stay at the club when he didn't want to be there was bound to end badly. And maybe also they knew deep down they weren't getting value for what he was costing them, given their on-field results over the relevant period.

And they would have known they were in trouble with the cap as well, but were hoping not to get caught.

 

[betcats]

Fergo playing FB on Monday, the guy never looks comfortable under a high ball so I hope Cleary test him a bit. In fact none of their back 3 are particularly safe under the high ball.

 

[Panther Mick]

Is this a thread about Penrith V Roosters? or bitch fight about Jarhead Hayne? He has had enough coverage in the media lets stick to the topic on hand.

 

[GongPanther]

Is this a thread about Penrith V Roosters? or bitch fight about Jarhead Hayne? He has had enough coverage in the media lets stick to the topic on hand.

My #29 reply was trying to suggest what you just said.

 

[murraymob]

TMM has said he is not ready for first grade this week still not fully confident on his shoulder. We have to get control of the middle of the field .The rooters will not be a easy game they are nearly at full strength. and will throw everything including there drum sticks at us .A must win game

 

[Whino]

Everything I hear coming out of TMM mouth impresses me.

 

[billypilgrimnz]

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Everything I hear coming out of TMM mouth impresses me.

Who gives a f**k what any player says? It's all about performance.

 

[Whino]

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Who gives a f**k what any player says? It's all about performance.

So having a poor attitude or talking yourself up to strum your massive ego doesn't matter?
You won't go far on performance if like you, have a shitty attitude and don't want to listen to advice.
Hence Ritchie Williams. Full of talent but a shitty attitude and he wouldn't listen to advice. He performed for a few games then imploded. Where is he now?
Performance can only get you so far.