Round 22 Vs Dragons

[franklin2323]

Ivan has has us with a young nrl team doing incredibly well and a young nsw cup team doing incredibly well that is not up for debate either.

Sides as wholes going well. Certain individuals hit and miss

 

[Girds89]

That is the issue though no improvement across the season

Put that down to ivan? Coaching?

 

[GongPanther]

The cleary "shoulder charge" was a weird tackle for him. I thought at the time he may have been protecting his injured one.

He was obviously favoring it, and that is what I thought the bunker concluded. It didn't look like a textbook intentional shoulder charge.

 

[franklin2323]

Put that down to ivan? Coaching?

A bit of both. He has the one move go for the corner he either scores or gets pushed into touch. Maybe changing wings fixes that maybe a few set moves of him infield

 

[betcats]

Thats not the point you were trying to make haha.

Sure hes got us doing well with an incredibly talented roster. If we werent it would be cya ivan. Its not like he assembled this roster and found these kids.

You said hes got a long history of picking talented teens and bringing them through. Which i think hes had his hits and misses.

Most of the young guys that have been mentioned were either sighted by gus, jim jones or his team of scouts. Were than nursed through the juniors by the programs gus put in place..

By the time they got near fg everyone at the club would have known they were fg material. Guys like yeo and stuff were killing it for the wolves and were obviously brought in the through weight of good performances.

Most coaches in the nrl would love to have all our options and junior nursery to reach on.

For how good yeo, martin, luai, too etc have been this year..

Kikaus gone backwards criita and staines havet progressed as much as wed like..leotas been rocks or diamonds. Spencers gone backwards.

As i said his had plenty of hits and misses. Its easy to remember the good ones who are still with us but it hasnt been all peaches like i said. Like hook was good with the juniors too for crying out loud haha..waqa had his best years under hook.. so did rcg before injury..etc etc

I’m not talking about hook at all ffs you are just are rambling on about things I’m not bringing up at all. You know what point I’m trying to make better than me now do you? f**k me you are a know it all merkin f**k off.

 

[Black Diamond]

 

[Girds89]

I’m not talking about hook at all ffs you are just are rambling on about things I’m not bringing up at all. You know what point I’m trying to make better than me now do you? f**k me you are a know it all merkin f**k off.

Haha ok mate.

I made pretty clear points. If that has you rattled no sweat of my back haha. You can say im rambling all you like, if my post doesnt make sense to you that just says more about you to be honest.

I know just as much as you or anyone on this forum.. we all have an opinion.

We will all be right or wrong at times. As i pointed out the other week in the past you and franklin wanted dean blore to replace cleary at halfback lol.

I think ivans had his ups and downs. This year being no different in terms of player development..we have had plenty go forwards and others go sideways or backwards.

But you get upset cause thats not your opinion haha.

 

[murraymob]

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The did charge him and luia with grade one charges both got fines and are clear to play next game

 

[Black Diamond]

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Apparently this is wrong....both Luai and Cleary charged

 

[murraymob]

Apparently this is wrong....both Luai and Cleary charged

Both got fine both grade ones

 

[Black Diamond]

Both got fine both grade ones

Yep original post correct, not charged for shoulder charge

 

[Pomoz]

Not hard to pick talented teens at penrith...



Not bagging him at all..i just think all our coaches have always been able to bring through good juniors and develop them. Its what our clubs about, especially simce gus came back so all of the time ivans been here!

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Most coaches in the nrl would love to have all our options and junior nursery to reach on.

These assumptions are so wrong and one of the reasons we have been such a mediocre club for most of our history. Picking juniors is not easy. Developing juniors is not easy. A junior nursery is worthless without the proper coaching and development processes in place. Something we haven't had in place for the majority of our existence. We have had the largest junior nursery for most of our history, yet how do you explain the lack of success at the Panthers over the last 40 years if it is as simple as just picking a junior from our catchment? How do you explain the Roosters and the Storm success with their limited pool of juniors? The Roosters had 11 players in their team that they developed or debuted when they last won the GF.

What about Parramatta and their massive pool of juniors? If it is easy to just "pick juniors", then surely they would have more premierships by now?

"Our coaches have always been able to bring through good juniors and develop them". Oh, really? Let's have a look at the preposterous team we fielded in 2011 against St George in 2011 when Matt Elliott was coach. A team that had Purtell, Vavai, Simmons and Tighe in the backs and Burns and Walsh as the halves. Six out of seven of the backline were not Panther juniors or debuted at the Panthers. Where is the development and junior talent you speak of?

We cannot ever forget that if you don't have a process to develop, coach and select juniors you will never be successful unless you are able to go and buy players from elsewhere. A 16 year old Cleary will never just turn into a NSW halfback without the right systems in place. As soon as we start thinking a big pool of juniors is all you need, we will be straight back to mediocrity again.

 

[Girds89]

Suprised it was let go tbh. Seemed pretty clear cut by the rules.. ive watched it 6 or 7 times and cant get my head around it.

He tucks his left arm in and hits with the shoulder and makes no attempt to use either arm.

Im happy he got off but f@ck me its a lucky dip with the nrl. If that was big jack hed have got 10 in the bin.

 

[murraymob]

It appears he got completely off on the shoulder charge no charge .he got charged for the late tackle on the kicker he got fined

 

[Girds89]

These assumptions are so wrong and one of the reasons we have been such a mediocre club for most of our history. Picking juniors is not easy. Developing juniors is not easy. A junior nursery is worthless without the proper coaching and development processes in place. Something we haven't had in place for the majority of our existence. We have had the largest junior nursery for most of our history, yet how do you explain the lack of success at the Panthers over the last 40 years if it is as simple as just picking a junior from our catchment? How do you explain the Roosters and the Storm success with their limited pool of juniors? The Roosters had 11 players in their team that they developed or debuted when they last won the GF.

What about Parramatta and their massive pool of juniors? If it is easy to just "pick juniors", then surely they would have more premierships by now?

"Our coaches have always been able to bring through good juniors and develop them". Oh, really? Let's have a look at the preposterous team we fielded in 2011 against St George in 2011 when Matt Elliott was coach. A team that had Purtell, Vavai, Simmons and Tighe in the backs and Burns and Walsh as the halves. Six out of seven of the backline were not Panther juniors or debuted at the Panthers. Where is the development and junior talent you speak of?

We cannot ever forget that if you don't have a process to develop, coach and select juniors you will never be successful unless you are able to go and buy players from elsewhere. A 16 year old Cleary will never just turn into a NSW halfback without the right systems in place. As soon as we start thinking a big pool of juniors is all you need, we will be straight back to mediocrity again.

I 100% agree with all that.

Its not really the point i was trying to make at all about bigger structures etc.

Gould etc obviously broadened the horizons to out far west country. A lot of our players are from there. Liam, yeo, naden, staines, etc etc.. he found fish in nz.

Gus obviously put the awesome structures in place we have now.

The point i was trying to make was that when there are good juniors there in the system it is a collective effort to bring them through which i touched on when i spoke about the scouts jim jones and gould.

I never said anything about picking juniors and winning premierships haha or winning at all? Simply made the point that when theres good juniors there they arent hard to identify.

You are talking about a much bigger picture and slightly different point i was trying to make.

For the most part i think there has always been good juniors in the penrith nursery. We obviously havent had the structures to bring them through or identify them. But that doesnt have anything to do with our NRL head coach taking them from cup players and developing them into nrl stars....

its another issue all together.

 

[Fangs]

Plenty of shoulder, but lacking charge.

Just a protective movement, Bird was going after him. It was hilarious watching him spill the pill straight after.

 

[mxlegend99]

Suprised it was let go tbh. Seemed pretty clear cut by the rules.. ive watched it 6 or 7 times and cant get my head around it.

He tucks his left arm in and hits with the shoulder and makes no attempt to use either arm.

Im happy he got off but f@ck me its a lucky dip with the nrl. If that was big jack hed have got 10 in the bin.

Only thing i can think of is he was deemed to brace for impact rather than leading with his shoulder. He got lucky for sure.

They must have taken into account his shoulder injury. Bit weird he gets off this charge and cops a fine for a late tackle that wasn't even really worth the penalty.

Did the late hit on him get a fine? I swear they just fined him for that to get away with not suspending him for a shoulder charge. Doing him a favour only i think not playing is in his best interest atm.

 

[Girds89]

Sorry pomoz. In regards to the roosters and the storm, for starters they have two of the greatest coaches ever.

The roosters the last time they won in 2019 built there whole squad around

1. Teddy
6. Keary
7. Cronk

3 imported players who were all one of the main reasons they did so well. No suprise they all played in the spine.

And for the most part the chooks dont do a lot of identifying players.. they tend to recruit players at the flegg or cup stage before theyve debuted than robinson gets his hands on them and his a master.

In regards to melbs they have a huge portion of qld as their catchment. Its well known bellamy is the master of turning average nrl plodders into world beaters. Not so much to do with juniors.

But as i said, i agree with what you were saying..just i wasnt really talking about that

 

[Girds89]

Only thing i can think of is he was deemed to brace for impact rather than leading with his shoulder. He got lucky for sure.

They must have taken into account his shoulder injury. Bit weird he gets off this charge and cops a fine for a late tackle that wasn't even really worth the penalty.

Did the late hit on him get a fine? I swear they just fined him for that to get away with not suspending him for a shoulder charge. Doing him a favour only i think not playing is in his best interest atm.

The nrl judiciary and MRC is a joke.

I cant fathom the shit they come up with.

It actually is laughable the inconsistency they dish up every week.

Its like they start each week fresh and forget decisions they made the week before.

 

[billypilgrimnz]

It's funny how many of the same posters who whine whenever they think a call goes against the Panthers are dead silent on this, or even support it.

It was a blatant shoulder charge. Hardly damaging, of course, but I'd be spitting bullets if Olam got away with this in the Grand Final for the Storm to score, and so would all the ref whiners.