Round 4 Vs Manly

[Girds89]

The pro Edwards club needs to accept there’s a good chance he will loose his spot or he will get a better offer and leave. Both Staines and critta are signed up longer and more highly rated as prospects. It’s not a knock on Edwards to say there is a chance of either of those possibilities it’s just the reality of the nrl and salary cap

Whilst I agree with most of your post. Saying Staines and critta are rated more highly as prospects is pure and simply your opinion.

Never seen the club say anything to that affect. It's just your opinion. Unless you know ivan or Matt Cameron personally than I'm not sure how you could know that. Pretty sure it's not something they would just openly talk about amongst anyone, I'd be surprised if even the players knew who the rated more highly..

Wouldn't exactly be good for morale if Edwards knew the hierarchy knew critta and Staines were more highly regarded than him as a long term prospect.

Do I think he may get pushed out because of salary cap? Yep of course. If he keeps playing like he has last 18 months do I think club will be trying to keep him? Yep of course.

I dont think anyone is pro Edwards or not. Just calling it as they see it atm and atm he is far and away our best fb.

 

[Blues Riff]

Ivan will definitely name May at #1 to protect the rookie fullback. He doesn't care about Fantasy Leagues, and sure doesn't care about your multi.

Ha, happy to be wrong here. Not the year to be conservative.

 

[WestyLife]

I dont think anyone is pro Edwards or not. Just calling it as they see it atm and atm he is far and away our best fb.

To be fair because we haven't seen the other options yet. Edwards and Aikins played last year and This'll be the first real chance anyone's had to show anything at fullback in first grade.

 

[betcats]

Whilst I agree with most of your post. Saying Staines and critta are rated more highly as prospects is pure and simply your opinion.

Never seen the club say anything to that affect. It's just your opinion. Unless you know ivan or Matt Cameron personally than I'm not sure how you could know that. Pretty sure it's not something they would just openly talk about amongst anyone, I'd be surprised if even the players knew who the rated more highly..

Wouldn't exactly be good for morale if Edwards knew the hierarchy knew critta and Staines were more highly regarded than him as a long term prospect.

Do I think he may get pushed out because of salary cap? Yep of course. If he keeps playing like he has last 18 months do I think club will be trying to keep him? Yep of course.

I dont think anyone is pro Edwards or not. Just calling it as they see it atm and atm he is far and away our best fb.

Far enough but both debuted at a younger age and both started playing regular first grade at a younger age, plus there has been the inside word from Blade they are open to critta or Staines taking his spot and Bryan Fletcher said on Friday Staines is rated so highly at fullback they think there is a chance edwards would struggle to get his spot back if Staines gets a run at fb. That is what I based that comment off.

 

[franklin2323]

It's 100% Edwards spot but it will be great to see Critter there 4-6 games. Will tell us a lot

The Canberra game yes. The rest we will have too much for regardless of FB

We have Burton now but lets say this same thing happens next year. Who goes to centre to Crichton? It is more likely longer term Staines gets the jersey.

So I am not sure we learn yo much either way

 

[betcats]

To be fair because we haven't seen the other options yet. Edwards and Aikins played last year and This'll be the first real chance anyone's had to show anything at fullback in first grade.

Exactly. It’s kind of redundant to say Edwards is our best fb we all know that is the case as no one else has had a real crack at it yet. The discussion is about if someone gets an extended run and looks really good....

 

[Luke Bowden]

I'm legit getting angrier than I should because clearly people aren't actually reading what's on the page and responding to what I didn't say which is "we need to replace Edwards with Crichton".

You: "Still are getting rid of a pretty good fb for someone who may or may not be better."

I PROPOSED A HYPOTHETICAL IN WHICH CRICHTON PLAYS LIKE AN ELITE FULLBACK ON THE LEVEL OF TEDESCO AND TURBO THEREFORE BEING MUCH BETTER THAN EDWARDS AND CONSIDERING THE RAMIFICATIONS FOR FUTURE ROSTER CONSIDERATIONS. THIS IS BORN OF THE FACT THAT IT IS POSSIBLE BUT NOT CERTAIN AS CRICHTON IS PHYISCALLY SUPERIOR AS AN ATHLETE THAN EDWARDS.

Sorry for the caps but the point has been missed enough.

Sure, if Critta reaches the same level as Teddy in 4-6 games, edwards is in trouble.

Using realistic hypotheticals is probably more productive.

I’d be very impressed if he made it to Dylan Edwards level in that time. I also think that’s reaching. It’s not as though he hasn’t play FB before, we know what we are getting.

 

[age.s]

Westy is right to consider what happens if Crichton looks elite at fb. I don't expect it to be an issue though. My money is on Crichton showing outstanding attributes in some areas but looking shaky in others. Defensively, both positioning wise and under the high ball he looked shaky in his (admittedly short) stint in the position last year. Those aren't issues you'll resolve with a week of training so I expect Edwards to slot straight back in when fit.

Still I'd love to be proven wrong. More competition for key positions is always a good thing.

 

[Girds89]

Far enough but both debuted at a younger age and both started playing regular first grade at a younger age, plus there has been the inside word from Blade they are open to critta or Staines taking his spot and Bryan Fletcher said on Friday Staines is rated so highly at fullback they think there is a chance edwards would struggle to get his spot back if Staines gets a run at fb. That is what I based that comment off.

Not much in age between debuts. Dylan had dwz and moylan in front of him hence why it took him longer to get in. Not a lot of competition atm for Charlie on the wing.

Critta earned his spot straight away through good performances but only really had whare in front of him who was completely done.

Not saying that critta and Staines haven't done well but Dylan certainly had good players in front of him when he he debuted. He had to earn that fb spot.

I'm sure they rate all 3 highly. Certainly is nice having some good back up options for now if Dylan gets injured. As for what the future holds for Dylan I guess it will depend on how critta and Staines develop over next 12-18 months, whether Dylan keeps getting better and our salary cap.

 

[franklin2323]

I'm legit getting angrier than I should because clearly people aren't actually reading what's on the page and responding to what I didn't say which is "we need to replace Edwards with Crichton".

You: "Still are getting rid of a pretty good fb for someone who may or may not be better."

I PROPOSED A HYPOTHETICAL IN WHICH CRICHTON PLAYS LIKE AN ELITE FULLBACK ON THE LEVEL OF TEDESCO AND TURBO THEREFORE BEING MUCH BETTER THAN EDWARDS AND CONSIDERING THE RAMIFICATIONS FOR FUTURE ROSTER CONSIDERATIONS. THIS IS BORN OF THE FACT THAT IT IS POSSIBLE BUT NOT CERTAIN AS CRICHTON IS PHYISCALLY SUPERIOR AS AN ATHLETE THAN EDWARDS.

Sorry for the caps but the point has been missed enough.

Crichton while promising isn't even an elite centre after a year. You think he will get the chance to play back there to be elite after 4 games?

Are we even sure Crichton would even be fullback if it was a viable option to move Staines?

Are we even sure Edwards can't be elite for that matter? Afterall he is improving his ball playing and getting better touches

At 25 is just coming into his peak. If we were in the Roosters shoes and needed a reshuffle then go for it. Or even Cows or Broncs that are struggling

We have won 20 from our last 21 games. Are fixing a weakness in right centre as well as continuing to develop some future superstars... Moving a very good fullback should be down the list of things to do.

Like with Capewell the salary cap likely makes the decision for the club anyway

 

[franklin2323]

Not much in age between debuts. Dylan had dwz and moylan in front of him hence why it took him longer to get in. Not a lot of competition atm for Charlie on the wing.

Critta earned his spot straight away through good performances but only really had whare in front of him who was completely done.

Not saying that critta and Staines haven't done well but Dylan certainly had good players in front of him when he he debuted. He had to earn that fb spot.

I'm sure they rate all 3 highly. Certainly is nice having some good back up options for now if Dylan gets injured. As for what the future holds for Dylan I guess it will depend on how critta and Staines develop over next 12-18 months, whether Dylan keeps getting better and our salary cap.

That last line is key. 18 months ago Naden was a must keep. 12 months ago plenty of people ( myself included ) thought Burton over Luai. Now neither make the top 17

Critta and Staines may stall in development or Edwards keep growing and a club offers him stupid money to go. Really is a wait and see especially with the age of the guys

 

[Kilkenny]

Firstly, Dylan’s injury is such a shame for him personally, given how well he played in 2020 and in our first three games this season he has been close to our best.

The injury has happened he is out for a minimum of four weeks, possibly longer and I think it will be good so see both Crichton and Staines being given opportunities to show what they can do in the position. The reality around the salary cap is such that each season it is likely, almost certain, one or two players are the very least may not be able to be retained. Dylan is not on huge money and when off contract at the end of 2022 will be 27. He would surely be looking at a better financial deal to secure his future in what may be his last NRL deal given a three deal sees him turning 30. Much as I rate Dylan I’m not sure he is going to get a deal consummate to what he deserves with us due to our restraints and may well receive a much better deal elsewhere so it is something that all parties will be well aware off.

 

[WestyLife]

Crichton while promising isn't even an elite centre after a year. You think he will get the chance to play back there to be elite after 4 games?

Are we even sure Crichton would even be fullback if it was a viable option to move Staines?

Are we even sure Edwards can't be elite for that matter? Afterall he is improving his ball playing and getting better touches

At 25 is just coming into his peak. If we were in the Roosters shoes and needed a reshuffle then go for it. Or even Cows or Broncs that are struggling

We have won 20 from our last 21 games. Are fixing a weakness in right centre as well as continuing to develop some future superstars... Moving a very good fullback should be down the list of things to do.

Like with Capewell the salary cap likely makes the decision for the club anyway

Crichton in his first year of nrl was one of the top 3 centres of the game......

 

[GongPanther]

I'm going to laugh if Crichton plays like an elite fullback. Surely he has a chance to make the spot his if he reaches a certain level.

That is what I expect him to do. Over the next four weeks will determine whether he should be the fullback or not if Edwards leaves in due time.

 

[Kilkenny]

Crichton in his first year of nrl was one of the top 3 centres of the game......

Crichton is young, very promising, but it’s still very early days for him. Let’s hope he doesn’t suffer from the dreaded second season syndrome so many young talented players go through. All clubs are very much aware of him now so there game plans will have strategies to minimise his impact as much as possible.

 

[Abacus]

I'm legit getting angrier than I should because clearly people aren't actually reading what's on the page and responding to what I didn't say which is "we need to replace Edwards with Crichton".

You: "Still are getting rid of a pretty good fb for someone who may or may not be better."

I PROPOSED A HYPOTHETICAL IN WHICH CRICHTON PLAYS LIKE AN ELITE FULLBACK ON THE LEVEL OF TEDESCO AND TURBO THEREFORE BEING MUCH BETTER THAN EDWARDS AND CONSIDERING THE RAMIFICATIONS FOR FUTURE ROSTER CONSIDERATIONS. THIS IS BORN OF THE FACT THAT IT IS POSSIBLE BUT NOT CERTAIN AS CRICHTON IS PHYISCALLY SUPERIOR AS AN ATHLETE THAN EDWARDS.

Sorry for the caps but the point has been missed enough.

Hahaha

 

[Vicpanther]

I'm legit getting angrier than I should because clearly people aren't actually reading what's on the page and responding to what I didn't say which is "we need to replace Edwards with Crichton".

You: "Still are getting rid of a pretty good fb for someone who may or may not be better."

I PROPOSED A HYPOTHETICAL IN WHICH CRICHTON PLAYS LIKE AN ELITE FULLBACK ON THE LEVEL OF TEDESCO AND TURBO THEREFORE BEING MUCH BETTER THAN EDWARDS AND CONSIDERING THE RAMIFICATIONS FOR FUTURE ROSTER CONSIDERATIONS. THIS IS BORN OF THE FACT THAT IT IS POSSIBLE BUT NOT CERTAIN AS CRICHTON IS PHYISCALLY SUPERIOR AS AN ATHLETE THAN EDWARDS.

Sorry for the caps but the point has been missed enough.

It would be a no brainier if critta stepped up and become a turbo or a teddy. But I don't see it. He is a great centre but the work rate at fb is so much more. If it did happen I'd love for them to just switch.
Also I think dyl could be a awesome bench utility purely on his heart..

 

[WestyLife]

That is what I expect him to do. Over the next four weeks will determine whether he should be the fullback or not if Edwards leaves in due time.

Yeah obviously Edwards is here for 2021 but the club will get to see what Crichton's got to offer.

Crichton is young, very promising, but it’s still very early days for him. Let’s hope he doesn’t suffer from the dreaded second season syndrome so many young talented players go through. All clubs are very much aware of him now so there game plans will have strategies to minimise his impact as much as possible.

I think the left side in general will be watched closely.

 

[WestyLife]

Hahaha

I hadn't considered that perspective.

 

[Kilkenny]

That last line is key. 18 months ago Naden was a must keep. 12 months ago plenty of people ( myself included ) thought Burton over Luai. Now neither make the top 17

Critta and Staines may stall in development or Edwards keep growing and a club offers him stupid money to go. Really is a wait and see especially with the age of the guys

I dont disagree with any of the above. I still think we should be exploring options to retain Brent Naden he is terrific value for money given his rather modest contract, even if he is not guaranteed automatic selection in our top 17.

The issue with Crichton is we have paid big money to retain him, possibly as much as 600K a season if you believe the figures quoted in the media. That’s a lot of money for a kid, after one terrific season, so we need him to perform at a level consistent with his pay cheque, whether that is in the centres or in another position.