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Round 5 vs Bulldogs

Fangs

Coach
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.it must make life difficult working at the club, having someone mircomanaging everything you do, whilst looking over your shoulder.

A recipe for potential disaster.

In some cases I've let it slide. MX said in another thread that the best we looked under Griffin was when Gus was heavily involved in training which is true.

In Ivan's case letting him go was the right call. Either that or your heavily re-structure his role at the club.

Warriors/Dogs are cellar dwellers. Having his input is invaluable. But with his track record the scrutiny from the media will persist. Weigh that against his recruitment which is looking pretty good for the Dogs. First time in years they have attracted very good players to the club.

If I'm a Dogs fan I'm very happy he is there. But they should have a roadmap for when his role becomes redundant.
 

murraymob

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We can juggle with was hook good bad was it right to let him or keep him.but for me Ivan has got us to 2 grand finals with a win .right decision.now if can win 1 more and draw level with the heels how good would that be
 

ACTPanthers

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We can juggle with was hook good bad was it right to let him or keep him.but for me Ivan has got us to 2 grand finals with a win .right decision.now if can win 1 more and draw level with the heels how good would that be
I honestly think that the only team to trouble us going back to back, is the Storm.

But I'm in a pretty optimistic mood today so it may just be the rose coloured glasses ;)
 

Iamback

Referee
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In some cases I've let it slide. MX said in another thread that the best we looked under Griffin was when Gus was heavily involved in training which is true.

In Ivan's case letting him go was the right call. Either that or your heavily re-structure his role at the club.

Warriors/Dogs are cellar dwellers. Having his input is invaluable. But with his track record the scrutiny from the media will persist. Weigh that against his recruitment which is looking pretty good for the Dogs. First time in years they have attracted very good players to the club.

If I'm a Dogs fan I'm very happy he is there. But they should have a roadmap for when his role becomes redundant.

It is fine with a yes man coach.

The issues started here when hook wanted to go it alone.

The final straw was when the board grew a pair and put some things in place to make more people involved in the club
 

Iamback

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I honestly think that the only team to trouble us going back to back, is the Storm.

But I'm in a pretty optimistic mood today so it may just be the rose coloured glasses ;)

No one beats us at full strength. We are very skinny in a few positions depth wise that is all that stops us
 

Iamback

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This is worse because now the media are saying Barrett can't coach his own team.

That comes back to ego.

Does it matter what the papers and media say about a team?

All that matters is what a few people in the club think
 

BxTom

Bench
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I think that Dave O'Neill was stirring the pot in a bad way too. He was ousted by his mates at the first opportunity. Whilst it looks like the right decision, I suspect other members of the board were kept in the dark. Hopefully we might get some harmony and continuity for a while.
 

Pomoz

Bench
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I have heard numerous players and Ivan himself say that Gus didn't interfere with training and I believe them. I also believe that when a coach is struggling, Gus steps into help them. Hook and now Trent Barrett were clearly struggling at times and they need help.

It is quite fanciful to speculate that Gus wants to take over coaching. Do we really think that if he wanted to coach he would be unable to get a job? That he gets in by a back door method by becoming a general manager and taking control? It makes no sense whatsoever. There are so many teams who would give Gus an opportunity to coach, there would be a queue stretching around the block.

If he was a micromanaging control freak, it's a small world in league and everybody would know and nobody would agree to work with him. He has managed to remain employed for 40 years in administration and coaching. 40 years. Maybe he actually tries to help teams and that's why he keeps getting offers.

Barrett is probably grateful for the input, but Hook didn't want to be helped and as a leader, that is a major problem. Nobody, including Gus, who hired a completely inappropriate CEO in a frankly amateurish process, knows everything. You have to ask for help. Great leaders know when to let others take over and add value to the team. They know what they are good at and what they aren't. Ivan always credits Ciraldo for their impressive defence and that sounds about right. Cameron has obviously developed a pretty good formula for coaching defence.

Hook was the opposite. Ciraldo wanted to leave because he wasn't allowed to be involved fully. Hook didn't like Gus getting involved and really, more fool him. Gus has more experience and a better understanding of league than Hook will ever have. He should have embraced his input, learned everything he could and rode his coat tails to the grand final. Instead it ended in tears.

It's just my opinion, but I think he is trying to help Flanagan and Barrett and the media speculating about the poor treatment of Flanagan and implying Gould's doing the coaching are way off the mark. That Flanagan has struggled to cope with the mental side of the NRL, partly due to the burden of being Flanagan's son, is well documented. He gets in his own way. I think that is why Gus is trying to help him by letting to play without pressure in NSW Cup. Gus has shown great leadership in stepping forward and taking all the heat on the Flanagan situation and making the whole discussion (exhibit 1, this forum) about him. Barrett and Flanagan owe him a few beers.
 

Aliceinwonderland

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I found this article from the dust settled past fascinating:


Oops again I've found myself wandering around adding things and then unable to work out where they have come from.

Sorry bout that.

I just the boys haven't been distracted by the circus going on in the dogs camp. Cause I believe it's meant to just cause mayhem and chaos.

Not going to be an easy match........especially with the heavy track.

Knuckle down boys and work hard.
 
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I have heard numerous players and Ivan himself say that Gus didn't interfere with training and I believe them. I also believe that when a coach is struggling, Gus steps into help them. Hook and now Trent Barrett were clearly struggling at times and they need help.

It is quite fanciful to speculate that Gus wants to take over coaching. Do we really think that if he wanted to coach he would be unable to get a job? That he gets in by a back door method by becoming a general manager and taking control? It makes no sense whatsoever. There are so many teams who would give Gus an opportunity to coach, there would be a queue stretching around the block.

If he was a micromanaging control freak, it's a small world in league and everybody would know and nobody would agree to work with him. He has managed to remain employed for 40 years in administration and coaching. 40 years. Maybe he actually tries to help teams and that's why he keeps getting offers.

Barrett is probably grateful for the input, but Hook didn't want to be helped and as a leader, that is a major problem. Nobody, including Gus, who hired a completely inappropriate CEO in a frankly amateurish process, knows everything. You have to ask for help. Great leaders know when to let others take over and add value to the team. They know what they are good at and what they aren't. Ivan always credits Ciraldo for their impressive defence and that sounds about right. Cameron has obviously developed a pretty good formula for coaching defence.

Hook was the opposite. Ciraldo wanted to leave because he wasn't allowed to be involved fully. Hook didn't like Gus getting involved and really, more fool him. Gus has more experience and a better understanding of league than Hook will ever have. He should have embraced his input, learned everything he could and rode his coat tails to the grand final. Instead it ended in tears.

It's just my opinion, but I think he is trying to help Flanagan and Barrett and the media speculating about the poor treatment of Flanagan and implying Gould's doing the coaching are way off the mark. That Flanagan has struggled to cope with the mental side of the NRL, partly due to the burden of being Flanagan's son, is well documented. He gets in his own way. I think that is why Gus is trying to help him by letting to play without pressure in NSW Cup. Gus has shown great leadership in stepping forward and taking all the heat on the Flanagan situation and making the whole discussion (exhibit 1, this forum) about him. Barrett and Flanagan owe him a few beers.
I largely agree Pomoz; I think with Gus you take the good with the bad (as the good outweighs the bad). Call it ego or just call it passion for the game, he wants to be involved. I’m sure that makes a coach’s life tricky (particularly at times when you are insecure) but as a Bulldogs fan you would love to have Gus involved with your club at this point!
 

Smug Panther

First Grade
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I found this article from the dust settled past fascinating:


Oops again I've found myself wandering around adding things and then unable to work out where they have come from.

Sorry bout that.

I just the boys haven't been distracted by the circus going on in the dogs camp. Cause I believe it's meant to just cause mayhem and chaos.

Not going to be an easy match........especially with the heavy track.

Knuckle down boys and work hard.
It's going to be easy and I'll bet accordingly
 

Kilkenny

Coach
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I largely agree Pomoz; I think with Gus you take the good with the bad (as the good outweighs the bad). Call it ego or just call it passion for the game, he wants to be involved. I’m sure that makes a coach’s life tricky (particularly at times when you are insecure) but as a Bulldogs fan you would love to have Gus involved with your club at this point!
I suspect the Bulldogs fans are not much different to our fans, some love Gus and others don’t. His approval rating probably sits at 50% or thereabouts. Pomoz makes some very good points in his balanced assessment.

The Bulldogs blueprint for success is built on recruitment, some highly priced acquisitions many of whom were signed prior to Gus coming on board. Despite the clubs denials, Gus clearly has a job ahead offloading players in order to accomodate Kikau and Mahoney under there cap for next season. It will be very challenging, good luck to him he may need it.
 
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