Round 6 v Redcliffe

[Girds89]

I have a good view from my seats at CommBank

We are too bunched in attack and defence and struggling as a result.

Remember Talau scoring 4 tries on the right? Tago to go for me. Casey is part of learning

It is 2001 Panthers again where we look like no one trains and no one knows each other.

So happy to make mass changes. Cup guys can't go any worse

I said for 12 weeks last year we were to bunched on the right in defence.

I got hammered on here.

Same issues again.

Its not a tago thing or Almonti thing.

They are caught way to often atm defending one or two short.

Im not sure why its a problem on just one side.

Romey probably doesn't get the credit he deserves for his defence.

Dyl if hes back needs to make a concious effort to force an extra bloke right when we are tired.

We know from history tago and nath and martin can be elite in defence but it is just terrible way to often in between thw good

 

[Kilkenny]

You'd have to tell us what the agenda is also this is ignoring that I said maybe a week being replaced by Kapoa would be worth something since tago is probably the best centre in the game when in form but hasn't been as good as he could be since his pec injury. I dare anyone to say this is unreasonable.

Also I like Cole and think his criticism is overblown but am also keen to how blaize goes with cleary I do also believe Cole is keeping the 6 warm for him.

My position has always been if your going to ‘drop’ an established first team regular the person who is to be promoted should be really performing consistently to a high standard in the lower grade.

I think Kepaoa has done well this season and if he gets an opportunity in place of Tago he has largely earns it through good form so I would be very pleased for him.

I think the early hype around Tago early in his NRL probably didn’t do him any favours. The expectations were way too high and he is not close to being anywhere near the elite or quality centres in the game. For our sake we can only hope he rediscovers better form sooner rather than later.

 

[Iamback]

I said for 12 weeks last year we were to bunched on the right in defence.

I got hammered on here.

Same issues again.

Its not a tago thing or Almonti thing.

They are caught way to often atm defending one or two short.

Im not sure why its a problem on just one side.

Romey probably doesn't get the credit he deserves for his defence.

Dyl if hes back needs to make a concious effort to force an extra bloke right when we are tired.

We know from history tago and nath and martin can be elite in defence but it is just terrible way to often in between thw good

So why can Martin and Cleary defend for NSW?

 

[Kilkenny]

I think after this first five rounds I could list a top ten issues of why we are in a 1-4 start to the season.

The issues do not start and end with Tago, Schneider and Eusinhuth you can be assured of that.

 

[Iamback]

I think after this first five rounds I could list a top ten issues of why we are in a 1-4 start to the season.

The issues do not start and end with Tago, Schneider and Eusinhuth you can be assured of that.

No one is saying they do but go back 12 months and a few issues were around then.

If the same cases exist now then they should be top of the list, as they aren't as easy as players needing game time or rookies getting up to speed

 

[Luke Bowden]

I said for 12 weeks last year we were to bunched on the right in defence.

I got hammered on here.

Same issues again.

Its not a tago thing or Almonti thing.

They are caught way to often atm defending one or two short.

Im not sure why its a problem on just one side.

Romey probably doesn't get the credit he deserves for his defence.

Dyl if hes back needs to make a concious effort to force an extra bloke right when we are tired.

We know from history tago and nath and martin can be elite in defence but it is just terrible way to often in between thw good

This is 100% correct

 

[Kilkenny]

No one is saying they do but go back 12 months and a few issues were around then.

If the same cases exist now then they should be top of the list, as they aren't as easy as players needing game time or rookies getting up to speed

No one seems to want to accept the obvious.

After the most incredible five seasons in the history of the NRL era we are actually in decline and no longer the games top side.

There is no shame in that, it was always going to come to this point.

The big question is what Matt Cameron and Ivan Clary do around a rebuild that can keep us as top 8 contenders while building another premiership capable side.

Its not about giving up on 2025 but being realistic and accepting of the fact we should be doing a rebuild.

Tough decisions need to be made and I don’t want to go there. I think perhaps most fans in there heart no matter how painful recognise we are in need of a clear out regardless of how painful.

 

[Iamback]

No one seems to want to accept the obvious.

After the most incredible five seasons in the history of the NRL era we are actually in decline and no longer the games top side.

There is no shame in that, it was always going to come to this point.

The big question is what Matt Cameron and Ivan Clary do around a rebuild that can keep us as top 8 contenders while building another premiership capable side.

Its not about giving up on 2025 but being realistic and accepting of the fact we should be doing a rebuild.

Tough decisions need to be made and I don’t want to go there. I think perhaps most fans in there heart no matter how painful recognise we are in need of a clear out regardless of how painful.

We were always going to comeback this is true but it doesn't mean the side shouldn't strive to be the version of itself.

The right side was an issue last year, bench makeup also was one.

That is before you get to assess where this squad on paper should sit on the table

 

[Goonji]

No one seems to want to accept the obvious.

After the most incredible five seasons in the history of the NRL era we are actually in decline and no longer the games top side.

There is no shame in that, it was always going to come to this point.

The big question is what Matt Cameron and Ivan Clary do around a rebuild that can keep us as top 8 contenders while building another premiership capable side.

Its not about giving up on 2025 but being realistic and accepting of the fact we should be doing a rebuild.

Tough decisions need to be made and I don’t want to go there. I think perhaps most fans in there heart no matter how painful recognise we are in need of a clear out regardless of how painful.

Depends on what you mean by clean out. Some blokes have been kept on for what they might become. They haven’t lived up to that promise so move them on. Ivan has identified other blokes that didn’t show much at their clubs and turned them into champions when he brought them to Penrith. Yes we need to bring in some fresh blood or blood Junior blokes but not wholesale change. This season isn’t over yet but 3 or 4 more losses and we are in a rebuilding year.

 

[Stinkfinger]

So why can Martin and Cleary defend for NSW?

When did Nathan last play for NSW?

 

[Iamback]

When did Nathan last play for NSW?

Last year was the only year he missed a game of a series.

His 2nd last game in 2022. He was Man of the Match in a 44-12 win.

I am sure in a 32 point win, His defence and the whole defence was pretty good.

 

[WestyLife]

No one seems to want to accept the obvious.

After the most incredible five seasons in the history of the NRL era we are actually in decline and no longer the games top side.

There is no shame in that, it was always going to come to this point.

The big question is what Matt Cameron and Ivan Clary do around a rebuild that can keep us as top 8 contenders while building another premiership capable side.

Its not about giving up on 2025 but being realistic and accepting of the fact we should be doing a rebuild.

Tough decisions need to be made and I don’t want to go there. I think perhaps most fans in there heart no matter how painful recognise we are in need of a clear out regardless of how painful.

See this comment shows you also believe there are different roster choices necessary but you seem to not want to offend the players or something. You've been watching a long time you've earned your right to speak your mind.

 

[Iamback]

See this comment shows you also believe there are different roster choices necessary but you seem to not want to offend the players or something. You've been watching a long time you've earned your right to speak your mind.

Hence why I ask posters like this was Ivan wrong to drop Turuva last year.

Either you believe that the right side or the side in general needs time

Or the coach is wrong for seeing what some of us here do and need players are needed to be tried

sitting on the fence doesn't help discussion

 

[Luke Bowden]

Hence why I ask posters like this was Ivan wrong to drop Turuva last year.

Either you believe that the right side or the side in general needs time

Or the coach is wrong for seeing what some of us here do and need players are needed to be tried

sitting on the fence doesn't help discussion

Tito was making fundamental errors, things that can be fixed in reserved grade.

Our entire edge is failing, Tago can’t work on that, by himself in reserve grade.

The only reason I can see to drop Tago is to replace him with a better player. Which I wouldn’t have an issue with, if there was someone better available.

 

[Iamback]

Tito was making fundamental errors, things that can be fixed in reserved grade.

Our entire edge is failing, Tago can’t work on that, by himself in reserve grade.

The only reason I can see to drop Tago is to replace him with a better player. Which I wouldn’t have an issue with, if there was someone better available.

fundamental errors like conceding a try due to not grounding a ball ingoal?

What is the point of a NSW Cup side then?

You have someone looking like they need a freshen up down there. Guys in form who could come in.

Turuva was replaced by Laurie a fullback

I am sure our international centre who is on the wing can do a job at centre

Or Garner who played centre in Vegas and finals when Tago did his pec

There 2 options there

 

[Girds89]

Edwards/Laurie
Jenkins
Casey
Tago
Alamonti
Blaize
Nath
Henry
Sommerton
Smith
Soro
Martin
Yeo

Trent t
Garner
Papali
Leota

Keep the mistakes down..no dumb penalties. Play smart footy and make them.bring it deep out of their own end and get back to grinding teams down..

Hopefully we see a drastic improvement this week

 

[Bob]

Edwards (read he‘s right to go this week)
Casey (stays there until he learns to pass the bloody ball)
Jenkins
Alamotti
Jesse (until Bizza gets back)
Blaize
Nathan
Henry
Sommerton
Smith
Martin
Tago
Yeo
Billy Scott to give Sommerton a break
Papali'i (Prop)
Leota
Garner

 

[Panfa]

Edwards Jenkins tago McLean alamoti talagi cleary yeo martin papalii leota sommerton smith /henry sorenson garner schneider

 

[Panfa]

No need for mass changes,we just need a win for confidence.Schneider can cover halves or hooker.And if a outside back goes down talagi shifts to wing centre or fullback and Schneider into halves

 

[kinghippo]

Edwards/Laurie
Jenkins
Casey
Tago
Alamonti
Blaize
Nath
Henry
Sommerton
Smith
Soro
Martin
Yeo

Trent t
Garner
Papali
Leota

Keep the mistakes down..no dumb penalties. Play smart footy and make them.bring it deep out of their own end and get back to grinding teams down..

Hopefully we see a drastic improvement this week

I would play close to this team but think Garner should start.
I would also give Tago a spell in reserves ( I think he starts for most of the year but needs a boot to get back into form) , shifting Alamoti to centre and giving Kepaoa a chance.