Round 6 vs Rabbitohs

[Pomoz]

You are kidding yourself.

Hi finished last season with 4 or 5 motm awards in 6 games or something. The year before that he was leading or tied first in the dally Ms after 12 rounds before he got hurt and our season went to shit. Geez people have have a short memory. As far for your comments regarding his NYC days, again are you kidding? Players don't improve much from their teens? Lol he was a late bloomer no doubt but he spent the last half of last season playing as our dominant playmaker, getting more ball in first or second receiver than either of our halves and that coincided with our run of wins into the finals and his run of motm awards, he has obviously improved massively in that regard how could you say that after watching him last season? Leading up to the newy game he missed some training with injury and had a quiet game(while TMM had a blinder) and again just didn't look his usual self against Melbourne, he might be carrying an injury. 2 quiet games after about 6 motm awards in his last 10 games(got one AUS and one this year) and we start wondering if we are better off without him, what a fickle bunch we are.

Not for one second do i believe this. The kid played half and 5/8th for Toyota Cup and was nowhere near the top 10 playmakers in that comp, hence why he was pushed back to fullback. I realise he's a lot older now but i doubt he's improved his ability (in comparison with others) that much.

I still can't make up my mind with Moylan. One week he looks like a superstar, the next couple he looks extremely ordinary.

I'll have a foot in each camp and agree with both. He can be ordinary when he starts playing like a touch footballer and running sideways, but he can also make breathtaking passes. As for NYC, I would say to Martielang, that how many players have been stars in NYC and then not kicked on? Tia Kalifi anyone? NYC form can often mean nothing.

I also can't make my mind up because he is trying to play 5/8th role from fullback which is difficult when the actual 5/8th is trying to do their job as well. If he just chimed in when required, rather than dominating maybe we would be more effective.

Last year he won mom awards when Carty was at 5/8th and he just stepped out of the way and let Moylan play as 5/8th. TMM is a different kettle of fish and as of yet, they haven't gelled. You could argue that TMM should do what Carty did and play as a forward but TMM is a much more effective as a half and can't replicate what Carty did, which was to take the ball forward and rack up plenty of metres with occasional ball playing. If TMM takes a backward step and lets Moylan take over then the team is not balanced.

I think something will have to change to get the team to be more effective in attack.

 

[betcats]

I think for now we need to give them more time, if they can find the right balance it will be lethal. I raised the issue of him being so ball dominant last year in regards to having a genuine 5/8th instead of Carty, having to genuine halves certainly takes away from Matts game a little, which was I just wanted him to play 5/8th where he seems most suited. But having glimpsed the potential attacking combinations against the weaker teams in the comp I think its worth persisting with now, as I said it could be very lethal if they get it right imo.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Not for one second do i believe this. The kid played half and 5/8th for Toyota Cup and was nowhere near the top 10 playmakers in that comp, hence why he was pushed back to fullback. I realise he's a lot older now but i doubt he's improved his ability (in comparison with others) that much.

I still can't make up my mind with Moylan. One week he looks like a superstar, the next couple he looks extremely ordinary.

Perhaps it says something about NSW's depth at 5/8th. Still he played there in game 3 last year and looked pretty good.

I don't take anything from u20's into account for first grade tbh. So many players mature at different stages.

And I think one of the reasons he might look hot & cold is because he's been asked to take on a dual role of sorts, be our fullback & our main playmaker, all whilst being the captain. No easy.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Moylan was 4th last season for try assists, with less games than all those round him. The next fullback was 8th, Barba, everyone else up there was a half. Thurston > Cronk > Hunt > Moylan it went. He's already a 5/8th in attack. You wouldn't move him for attack, because there's no point, he's already playing as 5/8. The case for moving him is his fullback play.

That's a solid point, but could he be an even better 5/8th in attack if the pressure of fullback was taken off him? It's a huge role. 5/8th in attack, fullback & captain.

 

[betcats]

And I think one of the reasons he might look hot & cold is because he's been asked to take on a dual role of sorts, be our fullback & our main playmaker, all whilst being the captain. No easy.

This is such an underrated point, I think we were the youngest team in the comp last season as well, at least by the end once we swapped Sowie for Cleary.

 

[Copperhead]

That's a solid point, but could he be an even better 5/8th in attack if the pressure of fullback was taken off him? It's a huge role. 5/8th in attack, fullback & captain.

You think he would look better in attack if he had to make 30 - 40 tackles. Every team would be running at him all match.

 

[umina panther]

Tackling with Yeo next to him wouldn't be as hard as the distance he has to run

 

[TheFrog]

Griffin refused to confirm if the three f**kups would be back in FG next week when asked by the media today haha the guy certainly doesn't f**k around.

Of course they'll be back in first grade next week.

 

[betcats]

Of course they'll be back in first grade next week.

I know, that's what im saying its obvious they will be but he isn't just going to give them that for free. Though I could see Hiku or to a lesser extent Waqa not coming straight back if their replacements kill it. Hiku is playing a covering role off the bench, if we have a really strong performance this week and the bench plays well he will struggle, especially if JFH comes back and we have to drop CHN to fit Hiku in. Say CHN kills it this week(hes been going very well) and JFH is back next week theres a good chance CHN gets the last bench spot imo.

 

[betcats]

You think he would look better in attack if he had to make 30 - 40 tackles. Every team would be running at him all match.

FBs run more then everyone else of the field so its kind of a wash. He would adjust to it. I find it hard to believe he could be a worse defender than Maloney, Moylan struggles to hold players up over the tryline but that is a different sort of tackling then just defending in the line. He makes one on one tackles and defends(plugs holes) in the line all the time, its only when he is forced to try and prevent the ball being grounded that he looks bad, and well that because he just sucks and holding people up.

 

[martielang]

Usually those hail marys and tap ons find the mark and lead to a try, like I said short memories. You said one week he looks like a star and the next week he looks 'extremely ordinary', when has he ever looked extremely ordinary? I find that stupid and gave you some reasons why, what is the problem? If you don't rate Moylan or you think we are better suited with another fullback or if don't think he is a good half fine say that. But if you say something like he is extremely ordinary every other week after two quiet games then I am going to point the stupidity of that comment. I don't mean to be harsh but it gets frustrating sometimes.

Disagree. Sometimes they find the mark, usually they don't.

If Will Smith had missed the same tackles or made the same errors as Moylan has this year, he would've been hung and quartered on here. Moylan clearly has the potential to be a seriously good player, but honestly when was the last time he delivered against a good side? I just think he probably gets talked up a bit more than whats warranted.

My comment about the NYC was more to the point that he has already played 7 / 6 at decent level and he was moved to fullback because they weren't getting the most out of him. I don't know why people think moving him back to 6 will unlock another level to his game and improve our chances.

Anyway, i hope i'm proven wrong and he gets MOTM against the sharks.

 

[betcats]

Disagree. Sometimes they find the mark, usually they don't.

If Will Smith had missed the same tackles or made the same errors as Moylan has this year, he would've been hung and quartered on here. Moylan clearly has the potential to be a seriously good player, but honestly when was the last time he delivered against a good side? I just think he probably gets talked up a bit more than whats warranted.

My comment about the NYC was more to the point that he has already played 7 / 6 at decent level and he was moved to fullback because they weren't getting the most out of him. I don't know why people think moving him back to 6 will unlock another level to his game and improve our chances.

Anyway, i hope i'm proven wrong and he gets MOTM against the sharks.

Because so far in his FG career his best footy and run of form has been played when he started playing like a half. And Will Smith? Really?

 

[herbert henry1908]

You think he would look better in attack if he had to make 30 - 40 tackles. Every team would be running at him all match.

Look I guess you'd have to weigh it up with what's hardest. Doubt he'd be making 30-40 tackles though. Most halves average about 15 tackles.

 

[franklin2323]

Our attack will be fine. Still have Cartwright and Mansour to play a game

 

[TheFrog]

Mansour

I hate to be a killjoy but anything we get from Sauce, especially before the business end of the season, will be a bonus.

 

[Kilkenny]

Haven't had the heart to come on our forum after our disappointing trip south to Melbourne. Great trip. Had some great meals, saw some great comedy shows as part of the Melbourne International Comedy Festival but at the end of the day we went down for the footy and that was a huge disappointment.

First of all I commend the stand taken by our club in standing down the three culprits who stayed out beyond the club imposed curfew. I hope they were drowning there sorrows as I was and not having a great time.

Secondly, great to see a journeyman such as MWZ getting his club debut. Good luck to him, his persistence has paid off in the end and that is to his credit. I hope he has a great game and does himself and his club proud.

Not sure I want to buy into the debate which has dominated the previous six or so pages, particularly in relation to the Moylan 5/8th or fullback saga.

The injury curse of previous seasons continues despite a changing in the strength and conditioning team so don't know what to make of that. I have always been a believer in injuries just being bad luck basically so my thoughts haven't changed in that regard. We certainly get more than our fair share though.

Friday night, a big game, need to go to 3 & 3 that goes without saying. It also goes without saying our forwards need to win the battle up front convincingly and lay a platform.

I have no doubt we can win this one but at the same time it would not surprise me if we lose. Make whatever you like of that.

I assume Jed Cartwright is injured as well given he may have come into consideration for the 21 man squad but didn't and is not named in NSW Cup team. The way things are going with injury and the like Geoff Daniela may figure in our side by seasons end?

 

[PenrithPanther45]

I think a win this week will be crucial as we could go a serious run of wins from here if we knuckle down. A win will give us confidence for a big test next week v Sharks and then after that we have Eels, Brisbane, Warriors, Knights and Dogs. This stretch of games will make or break our season. We can potentially win all of them if we are good enough.

 

[chrisD]

Moylan isn't a great defender and won't be in the line. But that's no different to many many other halves for whom half was still their position and their best position. They all dealt with the work load and their teams all dealt with their defensive decencies, because that's just the best way to go about things.

Someone like Hayne, who is a team carrying ball playing fullback doesn't move to 5/8 because he's also a ball running beast who is fantastic at the back.

 

[umina panther]

Moylan isn't a great defender and won't be in the line. But that's no different to many many other halves for whom half was still their position and their best position. They all dealt with the work load and their teams all dealt with their defensive decencies, because that's just the best way to go about things.

Someone like Hayne, who is a team carrying ball playing fullback doesn't move to 5/8 because he's also a ball running beast who is fantastic at the back.

Locky and JT turnstiles......yep that argument is very silly

 

[hindy111]

No way rynobs ....Parra have us covered well and truly !

Well for 2017 Eels have been not so bad. The cartwright mess and this hasn't been great for this club.