Round 8 v Canberra

[billypilgrimnz]

The good news is that we play the Warriors in 2 weeks, and we always beat them. Somehow scratch our way over the line against the Tigers, who we usually beat as well, and we'll be 4 from 10! How's that for positive thinking?

 

[DaveMc]

DaveMc, my passion for the team may overtake my judgement sometimes, but I don’t blame the refs for all our losses. But calling a spade a spade do you honestly think that they get even rub of the green all the time. When Bennett had the same stats in the play the ball he cried and the next week against Penrith every 50-50 call went one way.
The refs didn’t cost the game today, but most of the 50-50 calls went one way. That is a fact.
When you are down nothing goes your way.

Mate, I’m fairly new here. I get that you’re passionate, but on each match thread where the Panthers have lost, I’ve seen you assign no blame to the players or coach, and jump on a couple of usually inconsequential refereeing decisions that go against the Panthers, many of which are right anyway, and hang the loss on that. It *is* delusional, and shirks placing blame where it belongs. This is an underachieving squad, with a coach who has a very average track record. No amount of blaming referees is going to change the fact that this team has gone backwards. And I don’t see a way up from here as things currently stand.

 

[franklin2323]

We definitely have lost a few of the players that have helped us get to the finals the last few years.

And for the players that we still have that have been around for that time too, I can’t really explain what it is. Whether they have read too much into there own hype and aren’t putting in the same efforts in all facets of the game or something else I really don’t know.

Pre season of passing footys while other teams are putting km in their legs will do that

 

[franklin2323]

Mate, I’m fairly new here. I get that you’re passionate, but on each match thread where the Panthers have lost, I’ve seen you assign no blame to the players or coach, and jump on a couple of usually inconsequential refereeing decisions that go against the Panthers, many of which are right anyway, and hang the loss on that. It *is* delusional, and shirks placing blame where it belongs. This is an underachieving squad, with a coach who has a very average track record. No amount of blaming referees is going to change the fact that this team has gone backwards. And I don’t see a way up from here as things currently stand.

Yep a long few seasons coming up

 

[Kilkenny]

Goodness knows our completion rate is awful but could we do any worse if Ivan just incorporated a game plan which encouraged offloads and second phase play. Yes i know that would require a complete shift away from what we currently do, players having to back up he ball carrier, but surely we need to reinvent our attack from the ground up. I just witnessed the Sea Eagles offload more in one set of six than we would offload in three of four games and while it didn’t lead to a try if was still a very effective set.

 

[mxlegend99]

Until know injuries haven't been an issue. Several coaches are doing far better with inferior rosters.

15 other clubs would love to have origin winning halves pairing

Inferior rosters?

Dylan Edwards, Josh Mansour, Dean Whare, Wade Egan and Sione Katoa are 5 guys we counted on to be above NRL standard and are averageat best.

RCG is inconsistent and terrible valuefor money. Moses Leota is another top 17 certainty who is average.

Our roster was always a top 14 or so players and a third of them are barely reserve grade quality. Wayne Bennett would get better form from this squad... but this roster is a a f**king joke. We went all in on a small number of players and those guys are shadows of their pre-injury selves.

How many clubs you yhink would want Edwards, Mansour, Whare, Katoa, Egan or Leota in their full strength top 17? How many would be prepared to gamble on the for lm of RCG each week?

Our roster is just as bad as the Bulldogs. Onlywe saw many of these guys years ago in decent form and dont want toadmit they are shit .

 

[franklin2323]

The good news is that we play the Warriors in 2 weeks, and we always beat them. Somehow scratch our way over the line against the Tigers, who we usually beat as well, and we'll be 4 from 10! How's that for positive thinking?

We had won our last 4 v Canberra who were missing their best 2 players.. The only positive is bye is coming up

 

[kinghippo]

Goodness knows our completion rate is awful but could we do any worse if Ivan just incorporated a game plan which encouraged offloads and second phase play. Yes i know that would require a complete shift away from what we currently do, players having to back up he ball carrier, but surely we need to reinvent our attack from the ground up. I just witnessed the Sea Eagles offload more in one set of six than we would offload in three of four games and while it didn’t lead to a try if was still a very effective set.

The club has deliberately stamped out second phase play over the past few seasons. Griffin hated an offload, players like Cartwright and Merrin who were know for it all of a sudden became bad players in on our structures.
We no longer have effective off loaders in the team. Yeo, JFH, Tamou,RCG, Leota and Martin all suck at offloading.The only player who is effective is kikau and he won’t be around for a while.

 

[DaveMc]

We had won our last 4 v Canberra who were missing their best 2 players.. The only positive is bye is coming up

Other positive is that each game (loss) is one closer to the Cleary millstone being free from our necks. Still a fair while to go though.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Inferior rosters?

Dylan Edwards, Josh Mansour, Dean Whare, Wade Egan and Sione Katoa are 5 guys we counted on to be above NRL standard and are averageat best.

RCG is inconsistent and terrible valuefor money. Moses Leota is another top 17 certainty who is average.

Our roster was always a top 14 or so players and a third of them are barely reserve grade quality. Wayne Bennett would get better form from this squad... but this roster is a a f**king joke. We went all in on a small number of players and those guys are shadows of their pre-injury selves.

How many clubs you yhink would want Edwards, Mansour, Whare, Katoa, Egan or Leota in their full strength top 17? How many would be prepared to gamble on the for lm of RCG each week?

Our roster is just as bad as the Bulldogs. Onlywe saw many of these guys years ago in decent form and dont want toadmit they are shit .

I think we may have overestimated our roster, but it’s not just that. There’s no coaching here, no tactics.

I still think this is a roster that could make the finals with the right coach. Nowhere near as bad as the dogs.

 

[DaveMc]

The club has deliberately stamped out second phase play over the past few seasons. Griffin hated an offload, players like Cartwright and Merrin who were know for it all of a sudden became bad players in on our structures.
We no longer have effective off loaders in the team. Yeo, JFH, Tamou,RCG, Leota and Martin all suck at offloading.The only player who is effective is kikau and he won’t be around for a while.

That’s an interesting point. It’s one thing to lose games while you’re playing an expansive, entertaining brand of footy. It’s something else to be losing while playing a boring, grinding style of play. We’re doing the latter, and it’s the worst of both worlds - poor results and poor aesthetics.

 

[franklin2323]

Inferior rosters?

Dylan Edwards, Josh Mansour, Dean Whare, Wade Egan and Sione Katoa are 5 guys we counted on to be above NRL standard and are averageat best.

RCG is inconsistent and terrible valuefor money. Moses Leota is another top 17 certainty who is average.

Our roster was always a top 14 or so players and a third of them are barely reserve grade quality. Wayne Bennett would get better form from this squad... but this roster is a a f**king joke. We went all in on a small number of players and those guys are shadows of their pre-injury selves.

How many clubs you yhink would want Edwards, Mansour, Whare, Katoa, Egan or Leota in their full strength top 17? How many would be prepared to gamble on the for lm of RCG each week?

Our roster is just as bad as the Bulldogs. Onlywe saw many of these guys years ago in decent form and dont want toadmit they are shit .

RCG, DWZ, JFH, Maloney and Cleary all played test or SOO last season.

Compare that too the Manly team that is on the field atm or the Sharks team they have fielded the last few weeks.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Other positive is that each game (loss) is one closer to the Cleary millstone being free from our necks. Still a fair while to go though.

Unless there’s a clause in his contract, I’m not sure he’s ever getting sacked. We’ve made some huge payouts in recent times, I doubt the club wants to continue that. Maybe in late year 4 or year 5 of his contract.

What an absolute clusterf**k

 

[franklin2323]

I think we may have overestimated our roster, but it’s not just that. There’s no coaching here, no tactics.

I still think this is a roster that could make the finals with the right coach. Nowhere near as bad as the dogs.

Look at Manly's team tonight for starters

 

[franklin2323]

Other positive is that each game (loss) is one closer to the Cleary millstone being free from our necks. Still a fair while to go though.

Only 166 or something

 

[DaveMc]

Unless there’s a clause in his contract, I’m not sure he’s ever getting sacked. We’ve made some huge payouts in recent times, I doubt the club wants to continue that. Maybe in late year 4 or year 5 of his contract.

What an absolute clusterf**k

Oh, I don’t expect a sacking. I’m just saying that every game is one closer to his contract being over. I’m pretty sure we’re stuck with him, lest we upset poor little Nathan.

 

[DaveMc]

Only 166 or something

Sounds about right, but who’s counting?

 

[steve carter]

Look at Manly's team tonight for starters

I have said it before and will again. Was it our coach who drops the ball, is it out coach who gives penalties, is it our coach who 10 minutes in the game starts to throw the ball and like its final 10. We as Fans need to realy look at who is playing first grade standard. Our players are not respecting themselves how can they respect the game they play.

 

[Kilkenny]

Mate, I’m fairly new here. I get that you’re passionate, but on each match thread where the Panthers have lost, I’ve seen you assign no blame to the players or coach, and jump on a couple of usually inconsequential refereeing decisions that go against the Panthers, many of which are right anyway, and hang the loss on that. It *is* delusional, and shirks placing blame where it belongs. This is an underachieving squad, with a coach who has a very average track record. No amount of blaming referees is going to change the fact that this team has gone backwards. And I don’t see a way up from here as things currently stand.

I don’t think anyone, myself included, lays the blame for our start to this season on blaming referees!!! I think fans were entitled to highlight some questionable decisions last week against the Bunnies but no one would suggest the reason for our poor start to this season is the fault of the referees.

Leaving the current coach out of the equation for a minute, you say we have an underachieving squad. Perhaps you could mount a decent argument to say we overachieved in making four of the last five semi finals. We have never enjoyed fast, strong tall outside back backs particularly on the wings, we have always been one top quality front rower short and as a consequence never quite been a top four side. Would we have been any better off with Merrin, CHN and Peachy personally I don’t think so the problems are much deeper than that.

This is shaping as a very disappointing season no doubt but the nucleus of a decent side is there even if some players have to be released to free up some funds to bring in some astute signings. We have a once in a generation Flegg side with the potential of three, four or more NRL quality players.

Panther Daz posted something I have been saying for some time in that we have been developing some really good players thru our junior development systems but at the end of the day no superstars. Until we unearth a couple of Latrell Mitchells or Martin Taupau’s our fortunes probably aren’t going to change and we just need to suck it up.

 

[kinghippo]

Just to emphasise the negatives I need to say that Waqa had the worst game I have seen him play for a fair while. I normally feel he can do no wrong but his ball handling and passing have been very ordinary this year and today were terrible.
As I said earlier there was not a single positive in this performance, normally there is some glimmer of hope or potential but I honestly can’t see one this time.