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Round 9 vs Warriors

Saint_JimmyG

First Grade
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1979.... next one 2010...not one seen since.

2 premierships in 40 years is not eating premierships and shitting trophies mate. That's a 5% success rate. Sounds like your perception is skewed a little

In fact, if you remove the “glory years”, the success rate from 1921 is also around the same percentage.
 

Saint_JimmyG

First Grade
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Dragons lament conceding 46 second-half points in two weeks
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Dan Walsh NRL.com Reporter
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Sat 11 May 2019, 09:02 PM
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The sight of his Dragons players "looking at each other to do the job" is a harrowingly familiar one for Paul McGregor as St George Illawarra coughed up 46 second half points in consecutive fade-outs.

The Dragons slumped to their third loss on the trot after leading the Warriors 18-6 at Suncorp Stadium, their Magic Round venture north of the border ending in a disappearing act after the break.

The Warriors' 20 straight points after half-time follows on Parramatta's 32-18 come-from-behind win over McGregor's side a week earlier.

The loss leaves the Dragons sitting in 10th place, with the body language of players after conceding late points over the past fortnight of particular concern for McGregor.

"In the second half we stopped working in defence," he said after the 26-18 loss.

"We didn't stay connected when the ball went away from us, all the things we did well in the first 40 minutes we didn't continue to do.

"…We lost a bit of belief and started looking at each other to do the job instead of getting the job done as individual themselves.

"It [blowing two first-half leads] is concerning. You need to be a consistent side for 80 minutes in this competition."


With Corey Norman (fractured cheekbone) out for at least another two weeks, Gareth Widdop (shoulder) sidelined long term and Jack de Belin suspended under the NRL's no fault stand down policy, the Dragons are missing serious experience when being mowed down by opposition sides.

St George Illawarra can expect to be without Ben Hunt, Paul Vaughan, Tyson Frizell and Tariq Sims when the Origin period rolls around in a month's time as well, hastening McGregor's search for answers to their worrying second-half fade-outs.

"We showed last week how dominant we were for 40 and tonight how dominant we were," McGregor said.

"But it's not good enough. You have to be clear on what it takes to get the job done.

"At the moment we have a few people – players and us as coaches – we have to look at it as to why it's happening and address it, quickly."

Hunt had a horror finish to an otherwise strong performance, his knock-on of a 69th-minute dropout leading to the Warriors try that put them ahead for the first time in the match.

McGregor didn't dance around the impact of the mistake, reminiscent of Hunt's spilled kick-off in Brisbane's 2015 grand final loss to the Cowboys.

"The score was 18-all, 12 minutes to go, we had an attacking set on their line," McGregor said.

"It was a pretty important catch. Obviously [Hunt] holds on to things.

"He cares a lot."

https://www.dragons.com.au/news/201...conceding-46-second-half-points-in-two-weeks/

Oh, you need to be consistent for 80 minutes in this competition?

Thanks, Einstein.

The coach should be in MENSA, not the NRL.
 

possm

Coach
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Carrying Aitkin is a bad idea.

Latimore was not the problem.

Yes, the players still had a great line speed and their energy was good in the second half.

We didn't lose because of physical weakness.

We lost because the warriors wanted it, believed they could, and had key players that stood up, and controlled the ball.

We got scared and Choked...again. we are the biggest chokers in the games history.

Answer me this: when was the last time Hunt took a game by the scruff of the neck when it hung in the balance and then closed it out with game management?

Seriously.

0-20 in the second half.

The players are tightening up MENTALLY. Our big players are not standing up.

At halftime last week and tonight no one was complaining about the coaching. The players choke and then it's the coaches fault because he coached them to choke apparently.
I get your point however, why did not our players perform in the second half again this week?

I say:

  1. T Sims, Frizell and Lawrie a playing injured.
  2. Graham puts in 150% but is completely exhausted at the 1hr mark.
  3. There was not good reason for replacing Lomax with Aitken.
  4. Bench rotation was so poorly executed, it caused the mess.
  5. Rava shows good potential but should be dropped to CC to progress his skill-set.
  6. Pereira has had a few bad performances in a row now. He needs to know when it is time to come inside Lafai rather than stay outside.
  7. Defensive skills of our back 3 is very poor.
  8. On-field leadership and decision making is very poor.
  9. The coach needs to be sacked.

  • Pearson for Rava.
  • Lomax for Aitken.
  • Aitken to reserve grade.
  • 4 forwards on the bench.
  • Latimore to reserve grade.
  • Kerr and Timm to the bench.
  • Sack Mary
 
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I think the coach is the only consistent element in the squad; consitsantly usless.
The coach is only part of the problem. As the game went on the Warriors treated Dufty like a rag doll. NRL is a Gladiator sport. Dufty, despite his speed is not physically endowed which is a detractor from his presence on the field. The same could be said of Field. Lomax has ability but is not a top first grade center, The jury is still out on him. The forwards were out muscled by the Warriors as the game went on. The wingers were poor on the night, as they were the week before. This game was a carbon copy of the week before.
 

LINESPEED

Juniors
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I get your point however, why did not our players perform in the second half again this week?

I say:

  1. T Sims, Frizell and Lawrie a playing injured.
  2. Graham puts in 150% but is completely exhausted at the 1hr mark.
  3. There was not good reason for replacing Lomax with Aitken.
  4. Bench rotation was so poorly executed, it caused the mess.
  5. Rava shows good potential but should be dropped to CC to progress his skill-set.
  6. Pereira has had a few bad performances in a row now. He needs to know when it is time to come inside Lafai rather than stay outside.
  7. Defensive skills of our back 3 is very poor.
  8. On-field leadership and decision making is very poor.
  9. The coach needs to be sacked.

  • Pearson for Rava.
  • Lomax for Aitken.
  • Aitken to reserve grade.
  • 4 forwards on the bench.
  • Latimore to reserve grade.
  • Kerr and Timm to the bench.
  • Sack Mary


You have the solution right there Possm
QED

But the spectacled cretin will go down with Aitken tucked under his arm screaming fu*k The Forum
 

possm

Coach
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You have the solution right there Possm
QED

But the spectacled cretin will go down with Aitken tucked under his arm screaming fu*k The Forum
I hope you are right because that would mean there is a chance of Aitken leaving with Mary when the coach finally gets the sack. I don't think we have much of a chance now of making the 8. It is too bad that the CEO and the Board did not hold off till seasons end to consider Mary's extension. We all know why they didn't do that so now SGI will pay the price on and off the field. No matter what the payout, Mary should be sacked ASAP.
 

getsmarty

Immortal
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Dragons second-half woes continue in loss to Warriors
Local Sport
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DEJECTED: Matt Dufty bemoans his side's loss to the Warriors on Saturday night. Picture: NRL Photos
ST GEORGE Illawarra continue to be plagued by a case of the second-half yips after surrendering a 12-point halftime lead to go down 26-18 to the Warriors in Brisbane on Saturday.

The Dragons led 10-0 after just seven minutes, and 18-6 at the break, before conceding 20 unanswered points in the second stanza to slumo to a third straight defeat.

With halves partner Corey Norman sidelined, Ben Hunt was among the Dragons best before a costly second-half error awoke memories of his infamous 2015 grand final fumble.

With the scores locked at 18-all, Hunt forced a line dropout with a deft grubber only to spill the ensuing restart cold.

It opened the door for Ken Maumalo's go-ahead try in the very next set before Peta Hiku's second try 90 seconds from fulltime sealed the comeback win.

It comes just six days after Paul McGregor's side squandered a 14-point lead against against Parramatta to ultimately go down 32-18.

McGregor didn't shy away from the issue post-match.

"It is concerning, I'm not going to hide from it,"he said.

"You've got to be a consistent side for 80 minutes in this competition. We showed last week in how dominant we were for 40, and again tonight, but it's not good enough.

"You've got to be consistent for 80 minutes and disciplined in what you do and be clear about what it takes to get the job done.

"We've got a few people, as players and as coaches, who've got to look at why it's happening and address it. Quickly.

McGregor said Hunt's fumble will no doubt grab most of the attention in the aftermath but said it wasn't the sole reason for the defeat.

"With the score 18-all, 12 minutes to go with an attacking set on their line it was a pretty important catch," McGregor said.

"He holds onto things, he cares a lot. After that we lost a little bit of belief there and started looking at each other to do the job rather than getting the job done individually.

"I could say a lot of things but the main thing was we didn't have the right attitude in defence. In the second half we just stopped working in d.

"We didn't tie in, we didn't stay connected when the ball went away from us. All the good things we were doing the first 40 minutes we didn't continue to do in the second 40.

"When they play a little bit of that offload footy, which they can do, you've got to make sure you're one line, not a broken line.

"We've got some young guys there at the moment that are getting some good experience but, as I said last week, you've got to get experience and win.

"We've had two weeks in a row where we're controlled the game and didn't win. It's disappointing."

It leaves them at 4-5 on the season with a third of their salary cap sidelined through injury or suspension ahead of next week's home clash with Newcastle.

The Dragons opened the scoring when Frizell pulled down a well-weighted kick from Hunt and found Zac Lomax with an offload.

Lomax converted his own try for a 6-0 lead before Jai Field scored his first NRL try, latching onto an offload from Paul Vaughan and leaving Roger Tuivasa-Sheck for dead on a sprint to the try line.

Lomax hooked his attempted conversion, keeping the lead at 10 after just seven minutes.

Agnatius Paasi briefly pegged it back with a barge-over effort at the other end four minutes later before Lomax's 17th minute penalty goal gave his side a six-point buffer.

Cameron McInnes carried two defenders across the line for his side's third try four minutes later, giving his side a 12-point cushion at halftime.

The Warriors struck first in the second stanza, with Peta Hiku barging over the top of Lomax to score four minutes after the resumption.

Patrick Herbert nailed the tough sideline conversion to cut the margin back to six.

They leveled things up through David Fusitu'a 14 minutes later after Tuivasa-Sheck caught the Dragons out on a short side.

Herbert again made no mistake with the conversion, locking the score at 18 apiece with 18 minutes to play.

Maumalo's try following Hunt's fumble gave the Warriors their first lead of the match 11 minutes later, though Herbert's attempted conversion was waved away.

It kept the margin at four and gave the Dragons a sniff but a wayward pass from Tyson Frizell rolled over the sideline scuppered their final push.

Hiku's second try 90 seconds from time proved the final nail in the coffin, snapping a four-game losing streak ahead of his side's clash with Penrith next week.


https://www.illawarramercury.com.au...alf-woes-continue-in-loss-to-warriors/?cs=302
 

SaintPauli

Juniors
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Other than Jamma our forwards lacked that intensity which existed this time last year. Barring injuries we have enough depth not to dish up the crap of last 2 weeks.

We are way below our previous season standard and with an easier draw it's just not acceptable
 

slippery5

Juniors
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I get your point however, why did not our players perform in the second half again this week?

I say:

  1. T Sims, Frizell and Lawrie a playing injured.
  2. Graham puts in 150% but is completely exhausted at the 1hr mark.
  3. There was not good reason for replacing Lomax with Aitken.
  4. Bench rotation was so poorly executed, it caused the mess.
  5. Rava shows good potential but should be dropped to CC to progress his skill-set.
  6. Pereira has had a few bad performances in a row now. He needs to know when it is time to come inside Lafai rather than stay outside.
  7. Defensive skills of our back 3 is very poor.
  8. On-field leadership and decision making is very poor.
  9. The coach needs to be sacked.

  • Pearson for Rava.
  • Lomax for Aitken.
  • Aitken to reserve grade.
  • 4 forwards on the bench.
  • Latimore to reserve grade.
  • Kerr and Timm to the bench.
  • Sack Mary
T Simms had thermal shorts on, which indicates to me he has a groin injury, preventing him from blasting off the line nailing the attacking players as he has known for.
 

Old Timer

Coach
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T Simms had thermal shorts on, which indicates to me he has a groin injury, preventing him from blasting off the line nailing the attacking players as he has known for.
Tariq is back to the form he displayed at Newcastle.
He may very well be busted but he has had his moment in the sun and is now being down skilled by our bald headed gronk of a coach.
He joins the long and illustrious line of people who become worse as time with coach ticks by.
 

hazzbeen

Bench
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Tariq is back to the form he displayed at Newcastle.
He may very well be busted but he has had his moment in the sun and is now being down skilled by our bald headed gronk of a coach.
He joins the long and illustrious line of people who become worse as time with coach ticks by.
I mentioned this a couple of weeks ago , that he seemed off the boil , and some on here said otherwise .......
 

Gareth67

First Grade
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Looks as if the wabbits will lose now considering the halftime score was 18-6 , the same as one of the top 4 sides was yesterday. Only the good teams will get beaten when leading by that amount . . . . :scream:
 

Dragon for life

Juniors
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I agree with the mentally weak comment and it starts from above
At present were a 9 to 13th team at best
James Graham should be stand alone captain from next week
We need to bring someone in for Latimore
Not blaming him for the loss but once our front rowers go off and he comes on he offers nothing
We need to stick with Lomax if the kid wasn't injured tonight why take him off will just smash his confidence
I could go on just very disappointed after that game
I get your point however, why did not our players perform in the second half again this week?

I say:

  1. T Sims, Frizell and Lawrie a playing injured.
  2. Graham puts in 150% but is completely exhausted at the 1hr mark.
  3. There was not good reason for replacing Lomax with Aitken.
  4. Bench rotation was so poorly executed, it caused the mess.
  5. Rava shows good potential but should be dropped to CC to progress his skill-set.
  6. Pereira has had a few bad performances in a row now. He needs to know when it is time to come inside Lafai rather than stay outside.
  7. Defensive skills of our back 3 is very poor.
  8. On-field leadership and decision making is very poor.
  9. The coach needs to be sacked.

  • Pearson for Rava.
  • Lomax for Aitken.
  • Aitken to reserve grade.
  • 4 forwards on the bench.
  • Latimore to reserve grade.
  • Kerr and Timm to the bench.
  • Sack Mary
I feel we just need to give up. No one is going to listen to us armchair critics even though we seem to have a better ideas then the one in charge. F this administration for renewing this muppets contract.

Which other team has a spare centre on the bench who can’t play anywhere else? Which coach has no idea how to use the bench to your advantage? Which coach uses all your strike forwards at the same time and then when they come off we are f ed for go forward? F you Mary for wasting this team and their potential. You have no idea and shouldn’t even be in control of a junior team.

Our window will be closed by the time this muppets reign is over.
 
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