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RTS injury

KeepingTheFaith

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That's a major question.

First thought was "ït's RTS, it's the finals, yes of course."

However, we really don't want him rushing back before he's ready, plus if we make the finals you have to think that what we've already got is working so there's also a risk in regards to breaking any rhythm the team has gotten into.

How about - Yes, but perhaps not at fullback?
 

Blair

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I had a feeling he'd be a chance before the NRL season ended, much like Mckinnon in 2008, who was 'out for the season' after injuring his knee in a pre-season trial that year.

Wade came back late in the season, and for the last final we played versus Manly, but was pretty ineffective.
 
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ZEROMISSTACKLES

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Starts running next week. Ahead of schedule. If we make the finals he could be available

Is he worth the risk

Geez thats fantastic news regarding the speed of his recovery.

ACL ruptures are bad and while he'll be in the strengthening phase, the ligament will never FULLY recover.

I like to see him back if an early return is not detrimental to himself but if he reaggrevates it during the game, it could jeopradise that game and all games are crucial at this stage for us.
 
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vvvrulz

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I had a feeling he'd be a chance before the NRL season ended, much like Mckinnon in 2008, who was 'out for the season' after injuring his knee in a pre-season trial that year.

Wade came back late in the season, and for the last final we played versus Manly, but was pretty ineffective.

And he replaced Hohaia who was in career best form at the time.

tbh I'm not even sure if RTS should be automatic pick over Fusitua either, RTS never defended the way Fus does (other than Fus's blunder last game).
 

Penrose Warrior

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You'd want to see him get through at least a game with the Vulcans, that was an issue with McKinnon - came straight back in cold into a finals match and you can't expect anyone but the real freaks to do that with lack of match fitness and lack of trust in a long-term injury.

So if he's back by round 25-26, then yeah go for it. If not, I don't think it's worth it when he's most likely not going to be the equal of Fus who has been playing there for the whole second half of the season, and gunning it. It's not worth it for a host of reasons. If combinations have been forming and obviously to be in finals we'd have to be going okay, I wouldn't be messing with that (although that's our coach's signature move)
 

SpaceMonkey

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RTS never defended the way Fus does (other than Fus's blunder last game).

To be honest I don't blame Fus for that at all, in that situation (1 on 1, FB on FB) I'd back the attacking player to win at least 75% of the time as they've got the initiative and the defending player has to react to him. Any player with decent footwork should be able to wrong foot an defending player in that situation.
 

JJ

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1. Disagree on that, the top fullbacks make more than they miss, he should have done better - but at the end of the day, Bodene and Tui screwed up more
2. Simialr defensive issues aside, I am not sure how RTS could be considered below Fus as a fullback? Fusitua hasn't played there much yet, RTS has demonstrated what he can do, at the Roosters and even here among a team that was woeful he was doing everything he could.

Anyway, if he doesn't play full back they should offload him, too much money to have tied up in a winger
 

WithTheDawn

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I always thought he would surely be likely come finals time. It will be a good dilemma to have if it happens...
 

Benek

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If we make the finals I'd be in two minds about playing him. But Fus is so valuable as a finisher on the wing and that would probably tip the scales towards playing RTS at #1, so long as he had time to get one round of second-grade under his belt first.
 

TheDMC

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1. Disagree on that, the top fullbacks make more than they miss, he should have done better - but at the end of the day, Bodene and Tui screwed up more
2. Simialr defensive issues aside, I am not sure how RTS could be considered below Fus as a fullback? Fusitua hasn't played there much yet, RTS has demonstrated what he can do, at the Roosters and even here among a team that was woeful he was doing everything he could.

Anyway, if he doesn't play full back they should offload him, too much money to have tied up in a winger

If everyone is fit and firing start of 2017 then Futs and Manu/Maumolo as wings, RTS fullback. That's how it has to be surely.

What to do with Tui will continue to be the conundrum.

With Robson and TL gone next year - its either Tui or Hingano at 6.

If all the wraps on Hingano are on the money then surely he will start there next year and Tui will be utility and first cab off rank for wing/fullback/half/center spot when injuries or bad form.

Not great for him but that seems to be his current value to the team. As such a class player, even as a utility he still has to get significant game time each match as an impact player ....but that is going to be the tough bit as none of those positions you tend to bring on an impact player.

Tui's versatility is somewhat of a double edged sword for him.

Hingano 6 and Tui bench utility is more use to the team even if they are both equally good at 6.

Bit of a Lance Hohaia situation - you want him on the field but where?? Lance could often come on at hooker.

All in all its a good problem for the club - quality in key positions and a quality player who can cover them.

Not sure how this will work with the interchange though. Three forwards and Tui? When no injuries in a game maybe Manu/Maumolo come into the forwards during the second half and Tui takes wing position?

Most likely scenario though is of course an injury and Tui slots in long term in one of those positions. And no plodson, TL, or hopefully, Jono Wright to clog Tui's opportunity. I would never have Maumolo and Manu as wings together so if Fish went down, Tui get's a wing spot. But if Manu went down, Maumolo would be replacement and Tui stays utility.

Going to interesting next year. Our roster is pretty good really. Especially the backline now which is somewhat of a change considering its mudness the past few years. Forwards not as good overall though.
 

TheDMC

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Personally, i still think Tui's future lies in the centres. He could be Jamie Lyon level if given time to mature there imo

Yeah I agree. Didn't he play center on his debut? I recall a great skip pass to free the wing (maybe a try resulted) in that game. I really like ball playing centers, something we have sorely lacked over the years and quite a lack of them in the NRL. Lyon was the best in NRL for years because of those skills.

But Kata and Ayshford going great guns at the moment and even if Tui is better than either of them at center (which we won't really know until he gets a bunch more game time there) his value still remains as utility until one of them goes down with injury or drop in form.

Lol at warriors website player profile on Tui, so out of date: http://www.warriors.kiwi/team/profiles/tuimoala-lolohea.html
 

Meth

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Personally, i still think Tui's future lies in the centres. He could be Jamie Lyon level if given time to mature there imo

I don't disagree...in fact, I wanted him starting in the centres this season. Although I didn't anticipate Ayshford or Kata playing as well as they have.
 

ZEROMISSTACKLES

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Tui definitely needs to be in the team that's for sure and least of all, on the wing, although he goes oh kay there. If RTS does come back and providing all backs are fit to play, I'd like to see Tui at stand off and he can feed a Tongan left side like so 6. Tui 3. Kata 2. Vatuvei and the right 7. Johnson 4. Ayshford 5. Fusitua.

If he does end up at centre, yeah probably would be like Lyon with the vision and ball playing skills. Running wise, his strengths are his explosive agility and acceleration like Johnson obviously, but his 5th gear probably not. Similar to Jennings. Tuis quite beefy too but doesn't show the robustness of Kata and leg drive of Ayshford. Even if his defence is not great, it's not hard to fix at centre but might not be a Matai defender. Yeah definitely can see him there.

1. RTS
2. Vatuvei
3. Kata
4. Ayshford
5. Fusitua
6. Lolohea
7. Johnson Look at THAT! Mean backline!!
 
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