Rts

[ozbash]

This bloke will turn into another Tomkins if we're not careful..

Last year he had 2 bloody good centre's setting him up and a halves pairing who understood the game plan that was built around them.

Was better yesterday but he just bashed it up, there was no magic.

Coaching issue...

 

[Meth]

Yeah, maybe we should accept that perhaps Tomkins was never the issue...

 

[Blair]

Yeah, maybe we should accept that perhaps Tomkins was never the issue...

Tomkins, and now Sheck, played in a very claustrophobic structure. They got/get no space, no open play to weave their magic. The game has become more rigid in its structure recently, no? The technical side of the game isn't my strong point but I understand it's changed in this direction in the last few years.

I often hear that the game has become boring.

2002, 2003, the Warriors would be scoring tries from all over the place, and that wasn't only when the opposition tired. Other teams did likewise. Players like Tomkins and Sheck may have missed their time somewhat.

 

[JJ]

While he hasn't been the Rooster's RTS - that's down to coaching and structure - he's already (IMO) offered more than Tomkins - gee he's a good kid

 

[Iafeta]

Two things

1. To get his hands on the ball he's effectively become a prop, and carts it up more than our forwards because most of them are still coming back on side
2. At the Roosters he had two halves creating, there was second phase play, and there was structure that played to his footwork. He's been involved in one set play. The same one they used Tomkins for for the quick pass onto the centre. It's 2016, we have a new fullback with a different skill set but we are using the same 2014 play. And I stress, play. There's nothing else constructive. It's all play what's in front of you rather than play to a plan and exploit an opportunity via set play.

RTS is working his backside off. But he's being coached by an absolute lemon.

 

[JJ]

I like lemons - and think you're being unkind to them Iafeta

 

[ozenzud]

RTS needs to learn to cover tackle. But I was pretty pleased with his effort yesterday.

Can't blame coach for the dropped ball which ultimately cost us the game.

 

[ozbash]

RTS needs to learn to cover tackle. But I was pretty pleased with his effort yesterday.

Can't blame coach for the dropped ball which ultimately cost us the game.

That's true, but was he signed for his defence ?

I don't think there is a lot of defence in his natural ability, which is scoring or setting up tries..

 

[Blair]

That's true, but was he signed for his defence ?

I don't think there is a lot of defence in his natural ability, which is scoring or setting up tries..

I also thought the Roosters forwards always made their backs look a little better than they really were, particularly their halves last season.

When watching Sheck, in one of his last games with them last season, they did pretty poorly against the Broncos. Sheck wasn't doing much, I knew he wasn't going to win games on his own for us.

It was also supposed to be a magic combination between him and Manu when it came to first hit-ups/kick-returns. That hasn't happened yet in the limited amount of time they've had together. It's definitely a premature-critique, as it's only been two games.

Every Warrior fan is looking forward to that magic. That winning try against the Storm in the 2008 final is what I'm thinking about here. Either one gets the other in space.

 

[Izz]

\ He's been involved in one set play. The same one they used Tomkins for for the quick pass onto the centre. It's 2016, we have a new fullback with a different skill set but we are using the same 2014 play. And I stress, play. There's nothing else constructive.

This is the really sad thing. We have 1 set play, which worked for the first half of 2014 because it was a bit different. It hasn't worked well since then because unlike us, other teams are able to adapt, but that play is all we've got.

We also seem to have lost the ability to target a player or players and wear him/them down over the course of the game & once he's/they're sufficiently fatigued/complacent run a different line, throw a different pass, etc, to create opportunities.

Johnson was actually learning to do this pretty well when we had Elliot as our coach, but that doesn't seem part of the game plan anymore.

The team has put in the last 2 games, and that's great, but imo we would've won both of them if we weren't so one-dimensional.

And yes i know i was saying to everybody after Round 1 to calm down :lol: but it's after round 3 now and i was hoping to see evidence that Cappy might've learnt some things after last season. Because to me the mark of a good coach is whether he learns/improves. It appears Cappy is not/will not be a good coach.

 

[Shaun Hewitt]

There were more promising glimpses yesterday compared to the first two games. His best of the three for us.

Will be interesting to see how he goes against the Knights

 

[WellsNZ]

If the Warriors could avoid ruining RTS for the Kiwis that would be lovely.

 

[captainwarrior]

Two things

1. To get his hands on the ball he's effectively become a prop, and carts it up more than our forwards because most of them are still coming back on side
2. At the Roosters he had two halves creating, there was second phase play, and there was structure that played to his footwork. He's been involved in one set play. The same one they used Tomkins for for the quick pass onto the centre. It's 2016, we have a new fullback with a different skill set but we are using the same 2014 play. And I stress, play. There's nothing else constructive. It's all play what's in front of you rather than play to a plan and exploit an opportunity via set play.

RTS is working his backside off. But he's being coached by an absolute lemon.

100% agree with this, there's no variation or inventive plays, it's all one dimensional.

Don't fully agree on your statement on Cappy. I don't believe the last 11 losses have been his fault as much as it has been the players' lack of effort/not doing the fundamentals. Though in saying that I think he needs to be more creative as far as structures and attacking plays go, because we look boring at the moment. He needs to call Daniel Anderson and find out his structures in 2002-03 and alter it to suit 2016.

 

[Horrie Is God]

If you guys aren't happy with him, then you can send him back..

 

[Penrose Warrior]

If you guys aren't happy with him, then you can send him back..

Absolutely we will - back to Canberra for you Andrew Mc. Then we'll get a decent coach to get the best out of RTS.

What I fear will happen if we keep McFadden on too long, is that RTS - or Matulino, or SJ, or Luke, or anyone else - will go to their agent and say f**k this, get me a new club. In RTS' case, he has already signalled a possible desire to play for the ABs. End of the season, he says to his manager go speak to Steve Hansen. Look how successful Nehe Milner-Scudder has been from league with a step and some gas. That sort of unrest will lead to exodus.

 

[Rich102]

Plus it wil get harder to sign good players.

 

[hitro]

Yes let's send him back to Canberra immediately. He's clearly useless. Maybe get Ivan for the rest of the season on a 20 grand per win basis or similar?

 

[vvvrulz]

This bloke will turn into another Tomkins if we're not careful..

Last year he had 2 bloody good centre's setting him up and a halves pairing who understood the game plan that was built around them.

Was better yesterday but he just bashed it up, there was no magic.

Coaching issue...

You're onto something here.

RTS has been getting better each game, but the current guys just do NOT how to use him.
Like Tomkins, he's just tossed the ball and told to run. No combinations.

TL, for all his flaws, was the only half trying to give Tomkins something to work with.

The value of someone like Foran/Maloney stands out here, for all his positives Magic Johnson just isn't an organising half. He's half the problem.

 

[Rich102]

You're onto something here.

RTS has been getting better each game, but the current guys just do NOT how to use him.
Like Tomkins, he's just tossed the ball and told to run. No combinations.

TL, for all his flaws, was the only half trying to give Tomkins something to work with.

The value of someone like Foran/Maloney stands out here, for all his positives Magic Johnson just isn't an organising half. He's half the problem.

I like it!

 

[Penrose Warrior]

You can say SJ is half the problem (and kudos on the pun) but put them in a Kiwis jumper and is there any doubt that it'd work? You'd back it to be a winner in that environment. I haven't watched a lot of international league but I'm picking SJ and his fullback (I'm not sure if he's played with RTS) have combined much better under a better structure?