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Rugby Australia to target top NRL talent

BODISGOD

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Why are you posting viewership? The KPI here is broadcast revenue where the NRL absolutely has a huuuge lead.

But once again, tv revenue is only 20% of Top 14’s revenue. I have not checked for a while but I’d guess it’s closer to 50% on average for NRL clubs. I know the grant was close to 30% of the Broncos revenue a few years ago and they’d be the ones with the most diverse revenue streams in the comp.

On sponsorship, you are looking at a country of 67m in France. Whilst rugby is absolutely second to football, it still draws a lot of interest. That means every major corporation nationally has a form of rugby sponsorship.

Locally the sponsorships are large, often owing to the industrial policy of France. Take a club like Clermont who operate in a population area a bit smaller than Townsville. They were literally set up by the Michelin tyre group and they contribute huge sums to the club.

Looking at Stade Toulouse’s last accounts they generated €46m in turnover which is $74m AUD. Looking at the Broncos last accounts pre COVID they generated $52m AUD- I’d expect with the NRL grant increasing and other increases that you might see $60m AUD next time out. The problem is that it is a steep fall off after that for most NRL clubs- the average turnover for Top 14 sides is €30m, it isn’t near that for the NRL as a whole.

Beyond that I’ve pointed out before that you dismiss the international money at your peril. 30 odd French internationals will be having their salaries topped up by March fees of €25k per test (over 10 a year) plus bonuses, none of which is borne by those clubs. Similarly there are internationals from other countries (who don’t have restrictions on playing in France) who go back to play internationally and get a huge sum to do so. Whilst there is State of Origins and other international fees paid to NRL players, it is a fraction of the impact of what it is in the Top 14.

This is why the talk of NRL clubs making life more difficult for Rugby Australia is fanciful. They have been going through this for nearly 20 years now.

I’d like to see the Top 14 brought down to size and thankfully they have been promoting more French players and are trying to curtail the crazy spending but it is what it is sadly.
 

BODISGOD

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higher salary cap. The obvious example is the dominance of Leinster. That in turn brings down audience interest.
There isn’t a salary cap here but it’s nothing to do with that. It’s because Leinster are now very well run and have a lot of talent to work with which has grown as participation has. Leinster actually lose a lot of young players now as they don’t have the playing time to satisfy them.

This is just another excuse by English club rugby for their failures. There is more than enough money in their system to compete- they just pissed a load up the wall trying to keep up with French salaries.
 

Valheru

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Playing at a World Cup means you are bad does it ?

wow

and the nrl is looking at this now

nah It’s not like 2003

Union is comatose now

you would have to even question how successful a union World Cup would be here

Like 2003 as in what they are doing and why.

The 2027 world cup will be hugely successful here, it is outright ignorance to think otherwise.
 

Valheru

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In 2003 Super rugby had a salary cap of 5.5m x 3 (16.5m) and the NRL cap was 3.3m x 15 (49.5m).

So Unions payments to clubs and player was a 3rd of the NRL in 2003.

Today It is nothing like the early 2000's.

NRL 2023 distribution to clubs 17m on average. x 17 = 289million.
ARU 2023 distribution to clubs 5.5m. x 5 = 27.5m

In 5 years when the Rugby World Cup and lions tour is played the NRL distribution to 18 clubs will more than likely be 20m per club. (360m)

Union can take one or 2 players but in the end the tide will flow the way its always done.

Don't disagree. I'm just conveying what their strategy is and what the end goal is.
 

Valheru

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Rugby shot itself in the foot by ditching free to air TV coverage, then proceeded to beat said foot with a hammer by ditching Fox Sport for Stan Sport, a platform pretty much nobody was using. Only the most loyal and rusted on fans would have bothered to subscribe to a new service for it, even people like me who used to be casual fans that would watch the odd Super Rugby game and regularly watch internationals don’t bother now because of that factor.

100% this

They actually do have FTA super rugby games every Saturday night now but no one watches it.

The absolute best thing they could do in the lead up to the world cup is get super rugby back on fox (and win a bledisloe). Fox sports is still king in Australia and this whole experiment of selling rights to a FTA affiliated streamer has been an abject failure from the 2nd tier sports as both super rugby and A-League has proven.
 

Pneuma

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There isn’t a salary cap here but it’s nothing to do with that. It’s because Leinster are now very well run and have a lot of talent to work with which has grown as participation has. Leinster actually lose a lot of young players now as they don’t have the playing time to satisfy them.

This is just another excuse by English club rugby for their failures. There is more than enough money in their system to compete- they just pissed a load up the wall trying to keep up with French salaries.
This isn’t interesting . Go away.
 

taipan

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these are actual fans, not disinterested people elbow deep in their KFC bucket occasionnaly singing Sweet Caroline

Anyway NRL players wouldn't earn big money in the Top14 like SBW & al. used to, everything goes to homegrown players these days
Just a thought , has the French rugby union paid any reparations to French rugby league for their killing off of the latter code and receiving their assets? This was confirmed by a Commission into Vichy instituted by the French Govt.
Or as it appears they got away with grand theft ?
A hate to bring up dark history, even though I played the game they play in Devon in my youth.


"Disinterested fans".Like those at Twickenham who meet for a p*ssup before during and after at the Tests.
Or at the Hong Kong 7s, where it's like playing where's Wally or who is sober and knows what is going on.
 

Wb1234

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Like 2003 as in what they are doing and why.

The 2027 world cup will be hugely successful here, it is outright ignorance to think otherwise.
We’ll see

the problem for union these days is if they want to go back to playing their World Cup at concord oval they need the permission of the tigers

the stand is the right size though for them
 

Wb1234

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100% this

They actually do have FTA super rugby games every Saturday night now but no one watches it.

The absolute best thing they could do in the lead up to the world cup is get super rugby back on fox (and win a bledisloe). Fox sports is still king in Australia and this whole experiment of selling rights to a FTA affiliated streamer has been an abject failure from the 2nd tier sports as both super rugby and A-League has proven.
Yes what they should do is sign a team of nrl players and win a bledisloe

that will get all the nrl fans watching avidly
 

Wb1234

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There isn’t a salary cap here but it’s nothing to do with that. It’s because Leinster are now very well run and have a lot of talent to work with which has grown as participation has. Leinster actually lose a lot of young players now as they don’t have the playing time to satisfy them.

This is just another excuse by English club rugby for their failures. There is more than enough money in their system to compete- they just pissed a load up the wall trying to keep up with French salaries.
Don’t forget to watch those nrl games today

then you will get it

if you want any help with the rules just ask
 

Wb1234

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Probably helps. That doesn’t refute my point though does it?

Unless you are suggesting that the million or so Australians living and working overseas are doing it because they are getting paid exorbitant amounts of money. That’s not the case though is it?
Nrl players don’t want to go play union overseas bc of travel

these are professionals not some uni drop out taking a gap year to see Europe

it’s all about the money
 

Wb1234

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these are actual fans, not disinterested people elbow deep in their KFC bucket occasionnaly singing Sweet Caroline

Anyway NRL players wouldn't earn big money in the Top14 like SBW & al. used to, everything goes to homegrown players these days

Vomit
 

gUt

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if you want any help with the rules just ask

"Why are all those players constantly having to move around and be involved?"
"When are they going to kick all the goals?"
"How come that backline just touched the ball without immediately kicking it away?"
"Where are the fat bastards?"
 

Wb1234

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"Why are all those players constantly having to move around and be involved?"
"When are they going to kick all the goals?"
"How come that backline just touched the ball without immediately kicking it away?"
"Where are the fat bastards?"
Who are all those people sitting in the seats in the stand ?

why do they boo the goal kicker ?
 

Valheru

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We’ll see

the problem for union these days is if they want to go back to playing their World Cup at concord oval they need the permission of the tigers

the stand is the right size though for them

Lol the RWC will sell out every big stadium in the country.

I don't know what utility you think denying this serves.
 

taste2taste

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The Top 14 should be enjoying thier best ever year, hosting the WC will have a massive knock on effect to the local comps. Let's hope the league WC has a positive effect for league in France.

With this whole ' see the world ' argument people forget you can play league professionally in England and France and the NRL is going to Vegas baby !!! And that's infinitely better than anywhere Union plays :D :D :D
 

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