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Rugby Australia to target top NRL talent

Wb1234

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I think someone over at Fox Sports has too much time on his/her hands -

Nobody over 25

even that is probably too old

Jorgenson is the only one that could do really well at the nrl and he’s only on 300k

at 19 he’s young enough to adapt to a faster harder game
 

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must be the off-season if we’re talking about NRL clubs pillaging rugby union’s stocks.
Wasn’t Rugby Australia the one drawing up hit-lists and threatening to plunder NRL clubs not that long ago? Didn’t chairman Hamish McLennandeclare he had Penrith superstar Nathan Clearyfirmly in his sights, presumably through the lens of his monocle?
Oh. That all happened in April, you say. It’s hard to keep up.
This week, Roosters chairman Nick Politis and coach Trent Robinson met with NSW and Wallabies winger Mark Nawaqanitawase to talk about jumping ship. It wouldn’t be a particularly big jump given RA’s headquarters at Moore Park is about a five-iron from the Nick Politis Centre of Excellence beneath Allianz Stadium.

The Roosters will need a winger in 2025 — which is when Nawaqanitawase becomes available — but you sense giving RA a black eye after it snatched Joseph Suaalii from them earlier in the year is greater motivation.
Making the story sexier is the NRL raising the possibility of granting salary cap relief to those clubs who poach rugby union talent.
Salary cap exemptions would make Mark Nawaqanitawase and Max Jorgensen even more attractive to NRL clubs.

Salary cap exemptions would make Mark Nawaqanitawase and Max Jorgensen even more attractive to NRL clubs.CREDIT: GETTY IMAGES
This is signature rugby league: an idea is floated, it gets reported, it gets debated and voilà! It’s suddenly set in stone, when it is not.
NRL chief executive Andrew Abdo confirmed no such concessions have been introduced, nor was there any detail about what such concessions could look like.

Most people forget rugby league has played this card before: from 1990 to 1996, clubs were given a total exemption if they signed rugby union talent.
According to former ARL boss John Quayle, the exemptions were introduced because the competition was expanding to 20 teams. The AFL was exploring new markets, so rugby league had to move.
Players signed from rugby union were exempt for two years before their contract value was counted under the club’s salary cap, which was $1.8 million in 1995. (It was $12.1 million in 2023).
In 1995, more than a dozen rugby union players joined the ARL premiership, including Wallabies Darren Junee (Roosters) and Garrick Morgan(South Queensland Crushers). The biggest name was All Blacks star John Kirwan, who signed with the fledgling Auckland Warriors.
The Roosters also secured Wallabies outside back Peter Jorgensen, which is ironic because the player Politis really wants to snatch from rugby now is Jorgensen’s very talented 19-year-old son, Max, who also comes off contract at the end of next year.

Landing big-name rugby union internationals has been problematic for NRL clubs, as Heraldcolleague Iain Payten reported in 2015.
In 1995, Canterbury supremo Peter “Bullfrog” Moore had two enormous fishes on the line: All Blacks monster Jonah Lomu and Springboks legend Joost van der Westhuizen.
Moore wanted van der Westhuizen to replace Terry Lamb, who was nearing the end of this career, and he travelled to Cape Town for a meeting a few days after the Rugby World Cup.
In a penthouse suite of one of the city’s finest hotels, Moore offered a staggering two-year contract worth $1 million. Normally, that would take up a quarter of the cap, but it was exempt because van der Westhuizen would be converting from rugby.
The deal was scuppered when South African rugby officials got wind of the meeting.

Another time, Moore sat in front of Lomu and his family at Canterbury Leagues Club. He wrote an offer on a piece of paper and excused himself to the bathroom, content that he was about to land the biggest name in world rugby.
When he returned, Lomu had moved the decimal point on the figure scribbled on the piece of paper — he wanted far more than the Bulldogs could afford, even with the exemption.
ARL Commission chairman Peter V’landys and Rugby Australia chairman Hamish McLennan.

ARL Commission chairman Peter V’landys and Rugby Australia chairman Hamish McLennan.CREDIT: GETTY
Both codes had good reason to raid each other during the 1990s: rugby union was going professional and suddenly flush with broadcast money, while rugby league was on the brink of the Super League War.
Those days are long gone. It doesn’t make sense for the NRL to pick at the carcass of rugby union right now. Neither do salary cap concessions in a competition where which the difference between the haves and have-nots is widening.

V’landys is determined to devour rugby union because he considers it to be a competitor.
But why? Now that private equity is off the table for RA, and the code stumbles along following the Eddie Jones catastrophe, is it really a serious threat to rugby league?
Many NRL clubs already have their claws in GPS schools, cherry-picking the best talent that comes along, although there are exceptions.
Jorgensen trained with the Roosters last summer and established a strong rapport with Robinson, but he stuck with rugby union because he genuinely loves the sport.
Many still do. It might be on its knees, but rugby is not dying any time soon. There are too many players who want to play rugby because it’s rugby, no matter how many dollars are thrown at them.

The NRL has a current obsession with pinching talent from other codes, whether from rugby union or the fanciful notion that it can turn young Americans who don’t want to play NFL into rugby league superstars.
Rugby league needs to worry about its own backyard — because, if you talk to those at a grassroots level, it’s shrinking.

 

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Webster is a union man first and foremost so his true colours are coming out there

the reality is league signing two teams of walllaby players in 1908 and 1909 is what made rugby league the dominant rugby code in Australia

raiding the wallabies now would devastate the Aru and their world Cup would be a disaster

they really shouldn’t have poked the bear

old Hamish was having a great time sticking the boot into rugby league until the private equity deal collapsed and they are on the verge of bankruptcy
 

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If the NRL does have a plan to go to 20 clubs in next ten years it knows it needs to boost player depth (similar to last time we did this in mid 90's). This and the USA try out camp is clearly aligned with that goal by the looks of it.
 

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If the NRL does have a plan to go to 20 clubs in next ten years it knows it needs to boost player depth (similar to last time we did this in mid 90's). This and the USA try out camp is clearly aligned with that goal by the looks of it.
The article also says vlandys wants to wipe out a competitor whilst it’s weak
 

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“And then we’ve actually got a really clear pathway for those 15-, 16-, 17-year-olds to become Wallabies or Super Rugby players, sooner than what they have historically. I think we’ve seen that with sMax [Jorgensen] coming straight out of school into the Waratahs, you know, that’s sort of the journey that we’d like those top athletes to have.”
Eighteen-year-old Jorgensen, who debuted for NSW this year and was only denied a Wallabies debut by injury, is one of several young guns at the centre of a new skirmish between rugby and rugby league.
Good player management at RA. Bring them in too young, too early and get them injured. Nioce.
 

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Puts a big dent in the Wallabies prospects. A few more of those and the Lions will be beating them by 50..
I remember when the 3 biggest and best Rugby nations were Australia, NZ and SA...no more Australia.

If this trend continues, the WC in Australia could be a massive flop.
NRL should reserve a corporate box for each RWC game and invite NRL managers and talent scouts to mix with RU agents and player's parents.
 

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The article also says vlandys wants to wipe out a competitor whilst it’s weak
Its fanciful to believe that will happen. If NRL lost 5 of its top players its not going to notice. Union wont either. You'd need to see 20-30 top Australian players convert for it to have a big impact and that isnt happening.

Union is doing a good enough job killing itself. Twiggy will eventually take over and own it if he hasnt carked it by the time they are that desperate.

NRL should have offered Twiggy the chance for Force to switch to NRL when they got booted, that would have been hilarious!
 

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Its fanciful to believe that will happen. If NRL lost 5 of its top players its not going to notice. Union wont either. You'd need to see 20-30 top Australian players convert for it to have a big impact and that isnt happening.

Union is doing a good enough job killing itself. Twiggy will eventually take over and own it if he hasnt carked it by the time they are that desperate.

NRL should have offered Twiggy the chance for Force to switch to NRL when they got booted, that would have been hilarious!
Union doesn’t have 20 decent players

five should put a big enough dent that their World Cup is a disaster

their only hope in the future is no more than two super rugby teams
 

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Its fanciful to believe that will happen. If NRL lost 5 of its top players its not going to notice. Union wont either. You'd need to see 20-30 top Australian players convert for it to have a big impact and that isnt happening.

Union is doing a good enough job killing itself. Twiggy will eventually take over and own it if he hasnt carked it by the time they are that desperate.

NRL should have offered Twiggy the chance for Force to switch to NRL when they got booted, that would have been hilarious!
You're comparing 17 teams with 12 million dollar rosters with 1
A Wallabies team that missed the first finals campaign ever... then loses 5 of their best..
Anyway, we don't know what the numbers will be but they said it'll only be 1 or 2 for each club which is between 17 and 34...
They will all use it! Why would you have your roster at a million dollar disadvantaged?
ALL scouts at ALL clubs will be working their arse off right now figuring out who to target.
They won't all be Wallabies though, plenty of talent running around in nz , Japan, France and the UK or even South Africa.
This is going to be a blast!
 

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