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Rugby Australia to target top NRL talent

taste2taste

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must be the off-season if we’re talking about NRL clubs pillaging rugby union’s stocks.
Wasn’t Rugby Australia the one drawing up hit-lists and threatening to plunder NRL clubs not that long ago? Didn’t chairman Hamish McLennandeclare he had Penrith superstar Nathan Clearyfirmly in his sights, presumably through the lens of his monocle?
Oh. That all happened in April, you say. It’s hard to keep up.
This week, Roosters chairman Nick Politis and coach Trent Robinson met with NSW and Wallabies winger Mark Nawaqanitawase to talk about jumping ship. It wouldn’t be a particularly big jump given RA’s headquarters at Moore Park is about a five-iron from the Nick Politis Centre of Excellence beneath Allianz Stadium.

The Roosters will need a winger in 2025 — which is when Nawaqanitawase becomes available — but you sense giving RA a black eye after it snatched Joseph Suaalii from them earlier in the year is greater motivation.
Making the story sexier is the NRL raising the possibility of granting salary cap relief to those clubs who poach rugby union talent.
Salary cap exemptions would make Mark Nawaqanitawase and Max Jorgensen even more attractive to NRL clubs.

Salary cap exemptions would make Mark Nawaqanitawase and Max Jorgensen even more attractive to NRL clubs.CREDIT: GETTY IMAGES
This is signature rugby league: an idea is floated, it gets reported, it gets debated and voilà! It’s suddenly set in stone, when it is not.
NRL chief executive Andrew Abdo confirmed no such concessions have been introduced, nor was there any detail about what such concessions could look like.

Most people forget rugby league has played this card before: from 1990 to 1996, clubs were given a total exemption if they signed rugby union talent.
According to former ARL boss John Quayle, the exemptions were introduced because the competition was expanding to 20 teams. The AFL was exploring new markets, so rugby league had to move.
Players signed from rugby union were exempt for two years before their contract value was counted under the club’s salary cap, which was $1.8 million in 1995. (It was $12.1 million in 2023).
In 1995, more than a dozen rugby union players joined the ARL premiership, including Wallabies Darren Junee (Roosters) and Garrick Morgan(South Queensland Crushers). The biggest name was All Blacks star John Kirwan, who signed with the fledgling Auckland Warriors.
The Roosters also secured Wallabies outside back Peter Jorgensen, which is ironic because the player Politis really wants to snatch from rugby now is Jorgensen’s very talented 19-year-old son, Max, who also comes off contract at the end of next year.

Landing big-name rugby union internationals has been problematic for NRL clubs, as Heraldcolleague Iain Payten reported in 2015.
In 1995, Canterbury supremo Peter “Bullfrog” Moore had two enormous fishes on the line: All Blacks monster Jonah Lomu and Springboks legend Joost van der Westhuizen.
Moore wanted van der Westhuizen to replace Terry Lamb, who was nearing the end of this career, and he travelled to Cape Town for a meeting a few days after the Rugby World Cup.
In a penthouse suite of one of the city’s finest hotels, Moore offered a staggering two-year contract worth $1 million. Normally, that would take up a quarter of the cap, but it was exempt because van der Westhuizen would be converting from rugby.
The deal was scuppered when South African rugby officials got wind of the meeting.

Another time, Moore sat in front of Lomu and his family at Canterbury Leagues Club. He wrote an offer on a piece of paper and excused himself to the bathroom, content that he was about to land the biggest name in world rugby.
When he returned, Lomu had moved the decimal point on the figure scribbled on the piece of paper — he wanted far more than the Bulldogs could afford, even with the exemption.
ARL Commission chairman Peter V’landys and Rugby Australia chairman Hamish McLennan.

ARL Commission chairman Peter V’landys and Rugby Australia chairman Hamish McLennan.CREDIT: GETTY
Both codes had good reason to raid each other during the 1990s: rugby union was going professional and suddenly flush with broadcast money, while rugby league was on the brink of the Super League War.
Those days are long gone. It doesn’t make sense for the NRL to pick at the carcass of rugby union right now. Neither do salary cap concessions in a competition where which the difference between the haves and have-nots is widening.

V’landys is determined to devour rugby union because he considers it to be a competitor.
But why? Now that private equity is off the table for RA, and the code stumbles along following the Eddie Jones catastrophe, is it really a serious threat to rugby league?
Many NRL clubs already have their claws in GPS schools, cherry-picking the best talent that comes along, although there are exceptions.
Jorgensen trained with the Roosters last summer and established a strong rapport with Robinson, but he stuck with rugby union because he genuinely loves the sport.
Many still do. It might be on its knees, but rugby is not dying any time soon. There are too many players who want to play rugby because it’s rugby, no matter how many dollars are thrown at them.

The NRL has a current obsession with pinching talent from other codes, whether from rugby union or the fanciful notion that it can turn young Americans who don’t want to play NFL into rugby league superstars.
Rugby league needs to worry about its own backyard — because, if you talk to those at a grassroots level, it’s shrinking.

Although Webster is writing that raiding rugby is a bad idea he's actually convinced me it's a good idea.

If we were a bees d#ck away from signing Lomu and a star Sth African player ( and we got a handful of Wallabies ) in the 90s when the cap was 1m, we'd stand a pretty good chance of getting a couple of stars now.
 

Canard

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Although Webster is writing that raiding rugby is a bad idea he's actually convinced me it's a good idea.

If we were a bees d#ck away from signing Lomu and a star Sth African player ( and we got a handful of Wallabies ) in the 90s when the cap was 1m, we'd stand a pretty good chance of getting a couple of stars now.
Is it worth giving exorbitant salaries to untested players?

No for mine, particularly not at the expense of existing League players.

Remember Union was supposedly Amatuer until the mid 90s(supposedly)
 

Gobsmacked

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Is it worth giving exorbitant salaries to untested players?

No for mine, particularly not at the expense of existing League players.

Remember Union was supposedly Amatuer until the mid 90s(supposedly)
1 million is not exorbitant and given that its not in the cap means that it is specifically NOT at the expense of existing players.
You hate this because you're a UNION boy and this will put the last nail in the coffin of your stupid game.
Did you see the UNION player numbers went down again Te kah?
 

Maximus

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1 million is not exorbitant and given that its not in the cap means that it is specifically NOT at the expense of existing players.

You reckon the NRL is just going to add an extra 17m a year to what they are paying clubs? It's not part of the current deal, so yes either it does reduce money to existing players, or the NRL have to put up an extra 17m per year.
 

Canard

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1 million is not exorbitant and given that its not in the cap means that it is specifically NOT at the expense of existing players.
You hate this because you're a UNION boy and this will put the last nail in the coffin of your stupid game.
Did you see the UNION player numbers went down again Te kah?
If your going to fake that you're in NZ, you want to at least try to spell it correctly.

I know you're an ignorant dickhead, but how is poaching a handful of Union players going to have any impact? How would you feel if someone got paid more then you, and yet they there were half as talented as you are? It's embarrassing that you are the one who thinks Union is so chock-full of talent to be honest.

It's a dumb idea all in the service of the Roosters salary cap. You should punch yourself in the dick for thinking it has any merit.

The money should be spent on RL not some Union wanker, who will likely fail and f**k off back to Union anyway.
 
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Gobsmacked

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You reckon the NRL is just going to add an extra 17m a year to what they are paying clubs? It's not part of the current deal, so yes either it does reduce money to existing players, or the NRL have to put up an extra 17m per year.
No.
The grant is 17 million and the cap is 12 ( with this proposal effective13 ), they're simply getting to use more of the grant to spend on players.
Given ALL clubs are now profitable, ALL clubs can afford it The publicity they will get will increase ticket sales and overall revenue will probably offset the extra spend on players.

The NRL as a whole will generate more revenue with the publicity which will lead to increased grants also.

likely net benefit overall.
 

Gobsmacked

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If your going to fake that you're in NZ, you want to at least try to spell it correctly.

I know you're an ignorant dickhead, but how is poaching a handful of Union players going to have any impact? How would you feel if someone got paid more then you, and yet they there were half as talented as you are? It's embarrassing that you are the one who thinks Union is so chock-full of talent to be honest.

It's a dumb idea all in the service of the Roosters salary cap. You should punch yourself in the dick for thinking it has any merit.

The money should be spent on RL not some Union wanker, who will likely fail and f**k off back to Union anyway.
Maybe check your blood pressure.

Only a Union troll would be against this for obvious reasons but watching you twist yourself in knots being against it from the cover of a pro League stance is hilarious.

We know who you are, maybe start a fresh from a new account? Lol
 

Maximus

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No.
The grant is 17 million and the cap is 12 ( with this proposal effective13 ), they're simply getting to use more of the grant to spend on players.
Given ALL clubs are now profitable, ALL clubs can afford it The publicity they will get will increase ticket sales and overall revenue will probably offset the extra spend on players.

The NRL as a whole will generate more revenue with the publicity which will lead to increased grants also.

likely net benefit overall.

Wait, hasn't this entire thread been about how rugby union only gets publicity when they are chasing NRL players, and how nobody cares about it? Now signing a few players from them is going to increase ticket sales by a million for each team.
 

Gobsmacked

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Wait, hasn't this entire thread been about how rugby union only gets publicity when they are chasing NRL players, and how nobody cares about it? Now signing a few players from them is going to increase ticket sales by a million for each team.
This post makes no sense.

Let clear it up:
Union - gets publicity from cross code signings.
Rugby league- gets publicity from cross code signings.

Publicity is free advertising that leads to increased exposure and revenue .

It really isn't complicated.

And why is it a waste of money?
Out of All the Rugby players around the world are you really suggesting we can't find 17 that would ad to an NRL roster of 30 ? There would more likely be 50 to 100 out there without question.
So it will increase the overall product and lead to another increase in revenue..

We want a 20 team comp , we need more talent.. this is a step on the path to get it.
 

Wb1234

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Maybe check your blood pressure.

Only a Union troll would be against this for obvious reasons but watching you twist yourself in knots being against it from the cover of a pro League stance is hilarious.

We know who you are, maybe start a fresh from a new account? Lol
Gobs ignore the trolls

the idea of rugby league growing seems to trigger them for some reason
 

Wb1234

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This post makes no sense.

Let clear it up:
Union - gets publicity from cross code signings.
Rugby league- gets publicity from cross code signings.

Publicity is free advertising that leads to increased exposure and revenue .

It really isn't complicated.

And why is it a waste of money?
Out of All the Rugby players around the world are you really suggesting we can't find 17 that would ad to an NRL roster of 30 ? There would more likely be 50 to 100 out there without question.
So it will increase the overall product and lead to another increase in revenue..

We want a 20 team comp , we need more talent.. this is a step on the path to get it.
Max jorgo could be a star

he spent last summer training with the roosters

he’s only on 300k so I’m sure he’s seeing the 1.8 million suaali is getting and has his nose out of joint

If the chooks were happy paying 700k to suaali then Jorgo on that money is fair

even better if some of it is off cap
 

Gobsmacked

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Bullshit. League fans can be against this for the same reason as union fans oppose the Sua'alii signing. It's a huge waste of money.
Suaalii is worth about 500k ,Union paid 1.7 million... waste of money.
Nobody said that about:
Rogers
Sailor
Teqiri
Thorn
SBW

Nobody's saying we are going to start paying 3 x what players are worth .
A concession for clubs or a reward for taking a risk on unproven players is just incentivising a more pragmatic approach to finding talent.
 

Maximus

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This post makes no sense.

Let clear it up:
Union - gets publicity from cross code signings.
Rugby league- gets publicity from cross code signings.

Publicity is free advertising that leads to increased exposure and revenue .

It really isn't complicated.

The thing that doesn't make sense is claiming that nobody watches union and union players are shit, and then also claiming if those same players who are shit and are watched by nobody, came to the NRL that they'd bring millions of dollars worth of ticket sales with them.

And why is it a waste of money?
Out of All the Rugby players around the world are you really suggesting we can't find 17 that would ad to an NRL roster of 30 ? There would more likely be 50 to 100 out there without question.
So it will increase the overall product and lead to another increase in revenue..

We want a 20 team comp , we need more talent.. this is a step on the path to get it.

A million dollars is still a star player. Union's top paid players are paid over $2m a season, so you can rule out any of their best. So then NRL teams are paying 3rd/4th/5th tier ability union players like a top 5 player in their squad? Yeah that's a waste of money.
 

Gobsmacked

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Max jorgo could be a star

he spent last summer training with the roosters

he’s only on 300k so I’m sure he’s seeing the 1.8 million suaali is getting and has his nose out of joint

If the chooks were happy paying 700k to suaali then Jorgo on that money is fair

even better if some of it is off cap
There's always going to be an intrigue and drama to such a signing too, the papers will be all over it and the commentary will be wild with analysis.
It will get a big bump in ratings.. x that by 17..
If the roster are playing Manly, I may watch or I may not. An interesting signing will make me set aside time to watch it.

This whole move is beautiful.
O and in Vegas 🤤
f**k yeah!
PVL taking us to another level!
 

Gobsmacked

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The thing that doesn't make sense is claiming that nobody watches union and union players are shit, and then also claiming if those same players who are shit and are watched by nobody, came to the NRL that they'd bring millions of dollars worth of ticket sales with them.



A million dollars is still a star player. Union's top paid players are paid over $2m a season, so you can rule out any of their best. So then NRL teams are paying 3rd/4th/5th tier ability union players like a top 5 player in their squad? Yeah that's a waste of money.
A 30 man squad in Union is shit
But nobody and I mean nobody suggested ever that 2 or 3 aren't.
Which is exactly what we're after.

I think you'll find most Wallabies are on under 500k... I didn't realise that Wallabies are 4th or 5th tier lol
 

Maximus

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Wallabies players are shit and nobody watches them, except for when they sign for an NRL team and they are suddenly worth a million and millions of people want to watch.
 

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