Rugby League and TV

[Perth Red]

That's no excuse for innept planning by rugby league administrators! There is a very attractive and long overdue test match between the Kangaroos and the touring Lions that could have occured in place of the World Nines! A massive tv audience would have been assured but sadly we have a poorly regarded World nines instead! A big mistake!

I prefer the world nines. If it is successful it could become a major new international opportunity. I actually think nines is the perfect format to grow the game in non RL countries, less tackling and less players needed to put out a team. In the world format it is likely the winner may not be England, NZ or Australia which can only be a good thing as well.

 

[Perth Red]

The GB tour is irrelevant to this discussion

We are talking about the merit of FTA broadcasters televising the 9s.

Glad you have finally seen sense and realise that the broadcasters can bid for what they want. They don't want the world 9s at the moment.

Thats the point. If it was every two years and was drawing big crowds then FTA would fall over themselves to cover it.It needs to build a track record before it will attract interest. Lets see if the apathetic RL fans of Sydney get behind it and fill WSS or if it is another damp squib because fans dont get out and support the game enough.

 

[Valheru]

Thats the point. If it was every two years and was drawing big crowds then FTA would fall over themselves to cover it.It needs to build a track record before it will attract interest. Lets see if the apathetic RL fans of Sydney get behind it and fill WSS or if it is another damp squib because fans dont get out and support the game enough.

Exactly

the 9s are in the same boat as the BBL when it first started. Once the crowds and ratings came, FTA came to the party.

 

[Stallion]

its likely to draw a bigger audience on Fox than buried on a digital channel, the viewing figures for those channels are terrible. Only way it would have had any exposure value is if the majority of the tournament was on digital then the finals were on FTA main channel on Sunday evening. But with no track record and sporadic nature of the tournament its not surprising no FTA tv company wanted to commit to it.

What the NRL could have done though is use its digital investment to broadcast it digitally free as part of the deal with Fox.

Lol. Absolutely not! The world cup had games on a subsidiary channel and it often blew it's competing programmes out of the water!

 

[Stallion]

The GB tour is irrelevant to this discussion

We are talking about the merit of FTA broadcasters televising the 9s.

Glad you have finally seen sense and realise that the broadcasters can bid for what they want. They don't want the world 9s at the moment.

The GB tour is relevant! If the Nines was a compensation for no Kangaroos v LIONS match it's failed by your comments! Not mine.

 

[Stallion]

I prefer the world nines. If it is successful it could become a major new international opportunity. I actually think nines is the perfect format to grow the game in non RL countries, less tackling and less players needed to put out a team. In the world format it is likely the winner may not be England, NZ or Australia which can only be a good thing as well.

Not if only 30% of the available audience see it! It will be hidden just like the beginning of the end when the Aukland nines lost its simulcast FTA/pay tv coverage. Look at what pay tv has done to cricket! Similar disaster at play!

 

[Pommy]

Not if only 30% of the available audience see it! It will be hidden just like the beginning of the end when the Aukland nines lost its simulcast FTA/pay tv coverage. Look at what pay tv has done to cricket! Similar disaster at play!

What has Pay tv done to cricket?

 

[Stallion]

What has Pay tv done to cricket?

Plenty of complaints received on sports shows about no ability to watch the one day games on FTA and the weekend T-20 games. (only on Pay TV on weekends) And low ratings for cricket compared to other seasons, especially compared to the last time India toured. ( very much lower tv ratings figures)

 

[Timmah]

Plenty of complaints received on sports shows about no ability to watch the one day games on FTA and the weekend T-20 games. (only on Pay TV on weekends) And low ratings for cricket compared to other seasons, especially compared to the last time India toured. ( very much lower tv ratings figures)

That's not "what Pay TV has done to cricket". That's what the governing body has done together with the FTA network's unwillingness to pay for all international matches.

I'd also argue the lay person who follows cricket very casually may not have twigged to the various changes in broadcasters after Nine (Intl) and Ten (BBL) had the rights for extended period.s

 

[Pommy]

Plenty of complaints received on sports shows about no ability to watch the one day games on FTA and the weekend T-20 games. (only on Pay TV on weekends) And low ratings for cricket compared to other seasons, especially compared to the last time India toured. ( very much lower tv ratings figures)

Presumably Fox paid more than any FTA was willing to and that has in turn given CA more money to invest in cricket here in Australia.
EPL isn’t on FTA and it hasn’t done football in harm in England.

 

[Stallion]

That's not "what Pay TV has done to cricket". That's what the governing body has done together with the FTA network's unwillingness to pay for all international matches.

I'd also argue the lay person who follows cricket very casually may not have twigged to the various changes in broadcasters after Nine (Intl) and Ten (BBL) had the rights for extended period.s

Yes. Certainly that is an administrative decision and a changeover factor for sure. The complaints are commensurate with Public reaction to the change and the "more restrictive" viewing ability associated with pay tv covering cricket. It's a dilemna for sure. The world nines broadcasting arrangement reflects a similar issue as far as general public awareness and access is concerned.

 

[Timmah]

Yes. Certainly that is an administrative decision and a changeover factor for sure. The complaints are commensurate with Public reaction to the change and the "more restrictive" viewing ability associated with pay tv covering cricket. It's a dilemna for sure. The world nines broadcasting arrangement reflects a similar issue as far as general public awareness and access is concerned.

Comes down to who's willing to pay for it. The governing bodies shouldn't be forced to accept less money just so it can get on FTA.

 

[Stallion]

Presumably Fox paid more than any FTA was willing to and that has in turn given CA more money to invest in cricket here in Australia.
EPL isn’t on FTA and it hasn’t done football in harm in England.

Different scenario. Cricket is not being taken up by youngsters like it used to be. T-20 has alleviated the "bleeding" but it is still not the go-to summer choice of sport it used to be in Australia.

 

[Stallion]

Comes down to who's willing to pay for it. The governing bodies shouldn't be forced to accept less money just so it can get on FTA.

Perhaps not forced however a calculated decision made for the benefit of the code should be in the mix. There is a difference between short term money gain and long term money gain. The quick buck may not necessarily be the right way to go if a code is looking for increasing it's international relevance and general Public appeal.

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

What will hold it back is being only once every 4 years, it could be a LONG time before broadcasters feel confident...

Every 2 years would be better; it doesnt need all the stars to be legit (only a quarter of the main Roo/NZ/England squads plus some up-and-comers would give it enough legitimacy) and the regularity of it would help it build more quickly.

Seriously though, i think this format would be great of FTA. Over 3 days (Fri-Sun), even if they only begin the broadcast in the evening, stack all of the major games in the night and they can show highlights of the days action between games. There would be HEAPS of space for ads and other promotions.

I would compare this to one of the Tennis Opens. 10-15 minute stretches on no-stop action then a break for the tv stations to fill however they like. All the comp needs is to show some fan interest....

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

Perhaps not forced however a calculated decision made for the benefit of the code should be in the mix. There is a difference between short term money gain and long term money gain. The quick buck may not necessarily be the right way to go if a code is looking for increasing it's international relevance and general Public appeal.

Hahahah, i really want to agree with Stallion on this one, but he is just such a moron....

"Short term money gain and long term money gain". Youre clearly making shit up to suit your own arguement. (the word youre looking for is "investment").

No one can argue with him because he keeps changing what he is trying to say. It would be so interesting to meet him, i feel like you can only understand his mind by talking face-to-face...

 

[Perth Red]

Different scenario. Cricket is not being taken up by youngsters like it used to be. T-20 has alleviated the "bleeding" but it is still not the go-to summer choice of sport it used to be in Australia.

Where do you get that from?

This participation increase is one of the highest year-on-year growth figures Cricket Australia has experienced. The census also revealed a record breaking 1,558,821 Australians have actively engaged in cricket competitions or programs - an increase on 9 percent from the previous year.

This includes 854,951 participants engaging in cricket programs in schools and 703,870 players engaging in regular competitions or club-based programs at junior and senior level.

The increase in participants reinforces the importance of last week’s funding commitment. In partnership with Cricket Australia, the state and territory associations, announced investing $35 million over the next three years to significantly grow and support community cricket.

https://www.cricketaustralia.com.au...-participation-reaches-new-heights/2018-09-06

Grassroots money no doubt coming from a lucrative pay tv deal.

 

[Stallion]

Hahahah, i really want to agree with Stallion on this one, but he is just such a moron....

"Short term money gain and long term money gain". Youre clearly making shit up to suit your own arguement. (the word youre looking for is "investment").

No one can argue with him because he keeps changing what he is trying to say. It would be so interesting to meet him, i feel like you can only understand his mind by talking face-to-face...

That's rude Doctor. This is a valid discourse. I'm entitled just as much to an opinion as you are ! Believe it or not I have provided a 'like' for your previous comment. I won't be petulant and take it back. But I expect the snide , sly stuff from yourself to not be so blatant! It shows off an inadequacy that reflects many of your stances. However I'll stick with the 'like' for your Nines FTA comment as it's a surprisingly good one! We are thankful for small mercies!

 

[siv]

It's not what I think, it is what the broadcasters are willing to pay for.

9's is not the same as traditional rugby league and you know it. To broadcast this the FTA stations would have to clear essentially 2 full days on one of their stations which they aren't going to do unless they are confident of extremely good ratings.

Perhaps one day they will be confident of that but clearly not yet so again, I ask you, do you suggest they are forced to broadcast the event?

SBS just ran 3 days of the Ghan train driving from Darwin to Adelaide

Which was just a camera hanging out of window

So your answer is yes

And you have plus you have Optus TV desperate for content

 

[Pommy]

Different scenario. Cricket is not being taken up by youngsters like it used to be. T-20 has alleviated the "bleeding" but it is still not the go-to summer choice of sport it used to be in Australia.

When did tests go to pay tv?

I would be amazed if this is even true considering the huge number of migrants coming from the sub continent at the moment.