Rugby league in dire straits in NSW as Queensland leads the way

[Timmah]

So lockyrulz, you're happy to state a problem but not offer a solution? You should work for the Tele or 2GB, they're specialists at that.

 

[lockyrulz]

:lol:

Your underhanded insults never cease to amaze. The reason NSW people are getting defensive is because while you have some valid arguments, you continue to present them in an insulting and condescending manner, as if you either have some sort of vendetta against NSW, or simply because you want to troll.

Doesn't alter the fact that sydney clubs are struggling, yet you are all determined to tell us how much better Sdyney is doign than QLD.

So you and ziggy can't handle any more Sydney teams playing in a NSWRL comp as they did for over a hundred years, so what is your alternative solution to save the clubs?

 

[Timmah]

This is about as stupid as it gets, even for you.

So if your car f**ks up, you can't state the obvious which is 'gee my car is f**ked up' unless you know how to fix it?. Now you and ziggy might sit around and pretend it isn't, make a series of vroom vroom noises, maybe even cut the bottom out and try and move it flinstone style. Me, I take it to the mechanic and say 'clearly something is wrong, it isn't working please fix it'.

What about if it ain't broke?

Fix it anyway?

There's only really one Sydney team doing it tough and that's Cronulla. The writing's on the wall there and there's also still hope for them, given they are asset-rich.

But yeah, it's all gloom and doom. What sort of pleasure do you get from death-riding something that is by no means dead yet?

 

[lockyrulz]

So lockyrulz, you're happy to state a problem but not offer a solution? You should work for the Tele or 2GB, they're specialists at that.

I sure am. I note your only alternative is 'wait till they die then reactivley deal with the mess'

You should work for the CIA.

 

[Timmah]

Doesn't alter the fact that sydney clubs are struggling, yet you are all determined to tell us how much better Sdyney is doign than QLD.

So you and ziggy can't handle any more Sydney teams playing in a NSWRL comp as they did for over a hundred years, so what is your alternative solution to save the clubs?

For a start, not subscribe to the Courier-Mail "NSW is dead-and-buried" idea that's been drilled into your pro-QLD head over the last few years?

Not even living down this way, I can't believe you feel as qualified as you do to pass such rash judgements. :lol:

 

[Timmah]

I sure am. I note your only alternative is 'wait till they die then reactivley deal with the mess'

You should work for the CIA.

Which clubs are going to die? Cronulla, maybe?

 

[lockyrulz]

What about if it ain't broke?

It is.

Fix it anyway?

No, if all sydney clubs regulalry made a profit and got decent crowds they can have 20 clubs in the NRL for all I care.

There's only really one Sydney team doing it tough and that's Cronulla. The writing's on the wall there and there's also still hope for them, given they are asset-rich.

Really? How mnay clubs in Sydney make a profit?

But yeah, it's all gloom and doom. What sort of pleasure do you get from death-riding something that is by no means dead yet?

None. How much pelasue do you get sticking your hean in the sand?

 

[Sam I Am]

Not even living down this way, I can't believe you feel as qualified as you do to pass such rash judgements. :lol:

Strangely enough, you consider yourself qualified enough to pass judgment on Queensland crowds.

In any case, crowd figures of 7000 speak volumes.

 

[Sam I Am]

So lockyrulz, you're happy to state a problem but not offer a solution? You should work for the Tele or 2GB, they're specialists at that.

I can see why he wouldn't bother. I offered a solution, and you refused to respond.

 

[Sam I Am]

F**k me, you get unbanned and the first thing you do is dig up an old thread?

F**k off dude, seriously.

:lol:
Your underhanded insults never cease to amaze.

Good thing you don't insult people, isn't it?

 

[Joker's Wild]

Locky and Sam

How would you feel about 4 Sydney teams relocating to Central Qld, Sunshine Coast, Nth Brisbane and West Brisbane? This would effectivly reduce the corporate and fan support of the Broncos but if its for the good of the game then it is a reasonable sacrifice.

 

[Timmah]

It is broke is it? Care to give me a complex run down on the state of all eight Sydney clubs and why Rugby League in Sydney is struggling then, if you're so convinced? Be sure to note that despite your protestations, crowd figures whilst important are not the be-all and end-all of the argument and are not 100% reflective of the current state of affairs. Similarly, be sure to note clubs who've increased their market share despite the increased competition in such a saturated market.

Your argument reeks of a herald back to Super-League days where the intent is a small amount of clubs if only ONE in each city. That won't draw the fans, sorry. SL was proof positive of that.

If you get no pleasure out of death-riding things that aren't dead yet, then why are you so gleefully taking part in this trolling argument?

 

[Sam I Am]

What about if it ain't broke?

Fix it anyway?

There's only really one Sydney team doing it tough and that's Cronulla. The writing's on the wall there and there's also still hope for them, given they are asset-rich.

But yeah, it's all gloom and doom. What sort of pleasure do you get from death-riding something that is by no means dead yet?

It is broke, but we are not death riding it. We love the game and want to see it improve. Maintaining the status quo will not improve things.

 

[Timmah]

Strangely enough, you consider yourself qualified enough to pass judgment on Queensland crowds.

In any case, crowd figures of 7000 speak volumes.

Really? Really? :lol: Anyone can see my remarks about Queensland crowds are direct tongue-in-cheek statements against geese like yourself. Most crowds for games at Suncorp Stadium are fantastic, few sane people could deny that.
*cue Sam I Am finding posts in desperate evidence of no tongue-in-cheek remarks*

I can see why he wouldn't bother. I offered a solution, and you refused to respond.

You offered no such thing. Both yourself and lockyrulz have refused point blank to answer WHICH teams should go and WHY. Surely a strong enough opinion on Sydney clubs needing to merge, die or relocate warrants an opinion on whom they should be? "The NRL has that decision" isn't good enough if people like you wish to force the point.

Good thing you don't insult people, isn't it?

Everyone insults people, you'd get much further if you didn't. You'll notice I've never denied I insult anyone. You seem to turn on the defensive every time your doing it is highlighted. You seem to think belittling the intelligence of others assists in getting your point across. Instead it only gets peoples backs up and they thereby ignore your arguments and it becomes a trade of insults.

Locky and Sam

How would you feel about 4 Sydney teams relocating to Central Qld, Sunshine Coast, Nth Brisbane and West Brisbane? This would effectivly reduce the corporate and fan support of the Broncos but if its for the good of the game then it is a reasonable sacrifice.

They'll no doubt counter we shouldn't focus on expanding QLD until NSW clubs fold.
It was proven in 1995/6/7 that Brisbane don't take kindly to anyone eating into their market (in much the same way some Novocastrians oppose a CC team) and the Titans worrying crowds this year tell the same story. Personally I think the Titans could fix their problems by not charging an arm-and-a-leg for tickets but that's their business.

Overall I think there are many things that can be done before we need to take scissors to Sydney clubs, so to speak. Marketing, ticket offers, member incentives etc all can be looked at.

 

[lockyrulz]

Locky and Sam

How would you feel about 4 Sydney teams relocating to Central Qld, Sunshine Coast, Nth Brisbane and West Brisbane? This would effectivly reduce the corporate and fan support of the Broncos but if its for the good of the game then it is a reasonable sacrifice.

Why should we have 4 relocations? QLD alrwady has clubs in all those areas.

 

[lockyrulz]

Your argument reeks of a herald back to Super-League days where the intent is a small amount of clubs if only ONE in each city. That won't draw the fans, sorry. SL was proof positive of that.

Super league wasn't proof positive of anything.

 

[Sam I Am]

Really? Really? :lol: Anyone can see my remarks about Queensland crowds are direct tongue-in-cheek statements against geese like yourself. Most crowds for games at Suncorp Stadium are fantastic, few sane people could deny that.

I am glad that we are now in agreement on that point.

You offered no such thing. Both yourself and lockyrulz have refused point blank to answer WHICH teams should go and WHY. Surely a strong enough opinion on Sydney clubs needing to merge, die or relocate warrants an opinion on whom they should be? "The NRL has that decision" isn't good enough if people like you wish to force the point.

I have argued ad infinitum why Sydney needs fewer clubs. As to which ones, and the mechanisms for choosing them, see above. Note, few considered decisions come out of a ten second challenge to "name a club!". The NRL needs to sit down and think this one through. You think that they would be better off having clubs names thrown at them and scatching them off a list? So be it. I think this decision needs to be made carefully.

Everyone insults people, you'd get much further if you didn't. You'll notice I've never denied I insult anyone. You seem to turn on the defensive every time your doing it is highlighted. You seem to think belittling the intelligence of others assists in getting your point across. Instead it only gets peoples backs up and they thereby ignore your arguments and it becomes a trade of insults.

Indeed you do insult people. Therefore, you are a rank hypocrit berating others for doing so. This isn't an insult. It is a fact.

If you don't want your intellegence belittled, perhaps you should engage in a debate more constructively than "If you don't answer my question (which clubs) on my terms (name them now!) then you are wrong." This is, at best, showing primary school intellect, and I am sure that if you applied yourself you could do better.

They'll no doubt counter we shouldn't focus on expanding QLD until NSW clubs fold.

Why put words in anyone's mouth? I have no problem with an extra Queensland team, or an extra Brisbane team for that matter.

It was proven in 1995/6/7 that Brisbane don't take kindly to anyone eating into their market (in much the same way some Novocastrians oppose a CC

I don't speak for the Broncos, and never have claimed to. Nor do I speak for an entire city.

team) and the Titans worrying crowds this year tell the same story. Personally I think the Titans could fix their problems by not charging an arm-and-a-leg for tickets but that's their business.

Couldn't agree more. Titans' tickets cost too much. Do Parramatta's?

Overall I think there are many things that can be done before we need to take scissors to Sydney clubs, so to speak. Marketing, ticket offers, member incentives etc all can be looked at.

I contend that these things will not be enough. However, that is not to say that they shouldn't be attempted. Indeed, I hope Souths is marketing the hell out of tonight's game.

 

[Sam I Am]

Your argument reeks of a herald back to Super-League days where the intent is a small amount of clubs if only ONE in each city. That won't draw the fans, sorry. SL was proof positive of that.

Here you are putting words in my mouth again. You say that I something like Super League and that it won't work. I have said nothing of the sort, so your conclusion is false.

 

[bobmar28]

TBF Brisbanes finances aren't that great when you compare them to the Eagles (bboth No1 teams in a similiar sized city). Eagles have a $60million income and a $5mill profit. Brisbane should be doing better really imo.

The Eagles have Max Delmege.

 

[Sam I Am]

Locky and Sam

How would you feel about 4 Sydney teams relocating to Central Qld, Sunshine Coast, Nth Brisbane and West Brisbane? This would effectivly reduce the corporate and fan support of the Broncos but if its for the good of the game then it is a reasonable sacrifice.

I think the NRL would have to look at it first in great detail to determine the impact of losing four teams at once. Similarly, they would have to determine how many teams Brisbane could support. I am sure that Brisbane could support more than one team, and some competition wouldn't hurt the Broncos. It would be for the good of the game. Just like losing some Sydney teams would.