Rugby League in NZ schools

[Te Kaha]

Even Karl said -



I might not agree with Karl on a lot but I agree with him on that.

Except after they were moved there wasnt a lot of personal abuse... until someone who actually likes abusing others complained... I had hoped for rational debate in this forum.. seems you guys like abusing each other too much.

 

[docbrown]

Except after they were moved there wasnt a lot of personal abuse... until someone who actually likes abusing others complained... I had hoped for rational debate in this forum.. seems you guys like abusing each other too much.

Harden the f**k up :lol:

 

[Wilson1]

Of course it's not a view shared on this board, you're a troll.

I see this all the time on this forum and it annoys me. "I don't agree with you, therefore you a troll." That's just pathetic name calling. The man is trying to have a debate and he just gets called a troll. Great way to have a discussion.

A lot of the attitudes on this forum, especially to rugby union, annoy me.

One thing I don't get is that many of you in this thread want union to spread throughout New Zealand and even want us to have a second NRL team. Yet you act in such a way that is a major turn off. Do you think that calling union fans bigots is going to make us watch league all of a sudden?

The thing that really annoys me about a lot of league fans is that they believe there game has a sort of god given right to be number one. When asked a lot of people say league is less popular than union because union is bankrolled by the upperclass and full of bigots who set out to ban league. Many people think that only if the poor people in other parts of the world got the chance to view top quality league, then they would turn away from their union, soccer, American Football and the like. Well, maybe that isn't the case. Maybe if league did have 2 billion dollars to expand into the world, maybe it would do no good. Maybe people would continue to watch the sports they have always watched. And who cares?! You would still have your NRL, your SoO. That's high quality football, what does it matter about its global reach? You don't need to educate the poor savages who have never seen rugby league and as soon as they do will be converted to a better life. We're sports fans, not missionaries.

Let's face it. Rugby league is unlikely to grow at a rapid enough rate for it to become a major sport. In my lifetime, only France has a realistic prospect of developing into a major league nation and any progress in the United States which seems to be the hope of expansionists has been slow. It might just be that rugby league is only to be enjoyed by Australians, people in Northern England with a few French and New Zealanders thrown in. Few other localised sports express the same hate of other sports.

From my experiences of postinghere, I see few union fans with anything against rugby league. On that forum they just discuss their sport. The international section is taken up with, ya know, thread about international games rather than justifications of why rugby is better than league (or anything else). In New Zealand I see little prejudice against league. I know a lot of people who don't like the sport but that has little to do with class or history. We don't have a class system in New Zealand. League was played in my school but only after the rugby season had finished. League finds it hard to penetrate because of rugby's importance to New Zealand's national identity. I'm sure Gaelic football and AFL also struggle to penetrate our schooling system.

League's problems in New Zealand are its own fault. The NZRL has been run by criminals who can't balance the books. The truth is the NZRU couldn't have done a better job sabotaging league in New Zealand than the NZRL has done itself.

 

[miguel de cervantes]

I see this all the time on this forum and it annoys me. "I don't agree with you, therefore you a troll." That's just pathetic name calling. The man is trying to have a debate and he just gets called a troll. Great way to have a discussion.

A lot of the attitudes on this forum, especially to rugby union, annoy me.

One thing I don't get is that many of you in this thread want union to spread throughout New Zealand and even want us to have a second NRL team. Yet you act in such a way that is a major turn off. Do you think that calling union fans bigots is going to make us watch league all of a sudden?

The thing that really annoys me about a lot of league fans is that they believe there game has a sort of god given right to be number one. When asked a lot of people say league is less popular than union because union is bankrolled by the upperclass and full of bigots who set out to ban league. Many people think that only if the poor people in other parts of the world got the chance to view top quality league, then they would turn away from their union, soccer, American Football and the like. Well, maybe that isn't the case. Maybe if league did have 2 billion dollars to expand into the world, maybe it would do no good. Maybe people would continue to watch the sports they have always watched. And who cares?! You would still have your NRL, your SoO. That's high quality football, what does it matter about its global reach? You don't need to educate the poor savages who have never seen rugby league and as soon as they do will be converted to a better life. We're sports fans, not missionaries.

Let's face it. Rugby league is unlikely to grow at a rapid enough rate for it to become a major sport. In my lifetime, only France has a realistic prospect of developing into a major league nation and any progress in the United States which seems to be the hope of expansionists has been slow. It might just be that rugby league is only to be enjoyed by Australians, people in Northern England with a few French and New Zealanders thrown in. Few other localised sports express the same hate of other sports.

From my experiences of postinghere, I see few union fans with anything against rugby league. On that forum they just discuss their sport. The international section is taken up with, ya know, thread about international games rather than justifications of why rugby is better than league (or anything else). In New Zealand I see little prejudice against league. I know a lot of people who don't like the sport but that has little to do with class or history. We don't have a class system in New Zealand. League was played in my school but only after the rugby season had finished. League finds it hard to penetrate because of rugby's importance to New Zealand's national identity. I'm sure Gaelic football and AFL also struggle to penetrate our schooling system.

League's problems in New Zealand are its own fault. The NZRL has been run by criminals who can't balance the books. The truth is the NZRU couldn't have done a better job sabotaging league in New Zealand than the NZRL has done itself.

A pretty accurate post, except I don't think PNG league fans would be satisfied with your global wrap-up.

 

[Te Kaha]

I see this all the time on this forum and it annoys me. "I don't agree with you, therefore you a troll." That's just pathetic name calling. The man is trying to have a debate and he just gets called a troll. Great way to have a discussion.

A lot of the attitudes on this forum, especially to rugby union, annoy me.

One thing I don't get is that many of you in this thread want union to spread throughout New Zealand and even want us to have a second NRL team. Yet you act in such a way that is a major turn off. Do you think that calling union fans bigots is going to make us watch league all of a sudden?

The thing that really annoys me about a lot of league fans is that they believe there game has a sort of god given right to be number one. When asked a lot of people say league is less popular than union because union is bankrolled by the upperclass and full of bigots who set out to ban league. Many people think that only if the poor people in other parts of the world got the chance to view top quality league, then they would turn away from their union, soccer, American Football and the like. Well, maybe that isn't the case. Maybe if league did have 2 billion dollars to expand into the world, maybe it would do no good. Maybe people would continue to watch the sports they have always watched. And who cares?! You would still have your NRL, your SoO. That's high quality football, what does it matter about its global reach? You don't need to educate the poor savages who have never seen rugby league and as soon as they do will be converted to a better life. We're sports fans, not missionaries.

Let's face it. Rugby league is unlikely to grow at a rapid enough rate for it to become a major sport. In my lifetime, only France has a realistic prospect of developing into a major league nation and any progress in the United States which seems to be the hope of expansionists has been slow. It might just be that rugby league is only to be enjoyed by Australians, people in Northern England with a few French and New Zealanders thrown in. Few other localised sports express the same hate of other sports.

From my experiences of postinghere, I see few union fans with anything against rugby league. On that forum they just discuss their sport. The international section is taken up with, ya know, thread about international games rather than justifications of why rugby is better than league (or anything else). In New Zealand I see little prejudice against league. I know a lot of people who don't like the sport but that has little to do with class or history. We don't have a class system in New Zealand. League was played in my school but only after the rugby season had finished. League finds it hard to penetrate because of rugby's importance to New Zealand's national identity. I'm sure Gaelic football and AFL also struggle to penetrate our schooling system.

League's problems in New Zealand are its own fault. The NZRL has been run by criminals who can't balance the books. The truth is the NZRU couldn't have done a better job sabotaging league in New Zealand than the NZRL has done itself.

While that is an accurate, well thought out, rational and abuse free post I'm sorry you will now now classed as a troll. Whether its true or not is irrelevant, but as an added bonus you can pick up your Troll card from the front desk which entitles you to all the abuse you could possibly want. Welcome to the club and i hope you enjoy yourself.

 

[docbrown]

One thing I don't get is that many of you in this thread want union to spread throughout New Zealand

Um... no, we don't...

Freudian slip?

Many people think that only if the poor people in other parts of the world got the chance to view top quality league, then they would turn away from their union

Yes we want Rugby League to prosper as a game - this is because we are rugby league fans. This isn't just at an international level though, it's at all levels. Is it fundamentally wrong to want this as you claim? No.

Most of the people in this forum are realistic about the work involved to achieve this though. You need only look at the skepticism the recent PR announcements of pro comps attracted and even the criticism thrown at management in general.

I find it interesting that you feel the need to attack rugby league fans for having an interest in international rugby league.

Sorry, but I never realised that I needed your permission and to be honest, I don't really give a f**k what you have to say about it. :lol:

It might just be that rugby league is only to be enjoyed by Australians, people in Northern England with a few French and New Zealanders thrown in

Did you pull the string on your back to repeat that one again? :lol:

 

[BODISGOD]

While that is an accurate, well thought out, rational and abuse free post I'm sorry you will now now classed as a troll. Whether its true or not is irrelevant, but as an added bonus you can pick up your Troll card from the front desk which entitles you to all the abuse you could possibly want. Welcome to the club and i hope you enjoy yourself.

It's absolutely disgusting what he just posted. He is a shameful Vichyball apologist.

 

[docbrown]

People are picking on Rugby Union again! Boohoo!

:lol::lol:

 

[BODISGOD]

People are picking on Rugby Union again! Boohoo!

lol::lol:

Yes this thread and the OP is certainly just that.:roll:

 

[Te Kaha]

And look how easily the thread has been hijacked once abuse and non relevant threads are left in it... was always gonna happen i spose.

 

[Karl]

Its an interesting point that was made earlier though - regarding the ability of ANY sport to get into NZ Schools.

Its not like League is particularly unique there is it?

I think people who are not from NZ underestimate the unbreakable bond between Rugby Union and New Zealand's National Identity. People joke about how in NZ, Rugby isn't a sport, its a Religion. But it's true. The Church of the Latter Day Darkness. For such a small population to be at the top of a Sport like Rugby for so long is truly remarkable. It comes from a strong National focus on Rugby without any really significant dilution and distraction from 3 other competing codes.

Its not a sign of a class war being waged exclusively against League.

 

[docbrown]

People are picking on Rugby Union again! Boohoo!

Yes this thread and the OP is certainly just that.:roll:

And your point is?

So what if some strangers on the internet don't think Rugby Union is the best thing since sliced bread? So what if they think Rugby Union management and some of their elitist bretheren are a bunch of wankers? So what if they think Union is a shit game?

Perhaps if this were a Rugby Union webpage you might have a justification to get your knickers in such a twist.

But the fact remains that THIS IS A RUGBY LEAGUE WEBPAGE and not everyone loves Rugby Union as much as you do and nor is there any law requiring them to treat it with even a modicum of respect.

The sooner you guys accept that and stop pretending to be the moral majority the sooner you will return to reality.

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

get a grip.. or rather get your hand off it... " LU's Rugby Union police officer"?? you come up with some wierd dhit.

Sounds accurate to me, that's why I posted it.

Simple really..I stopped doing it tp prevent threads turning in to shit fights when dumbarses post things like "Of course it's not a view shared on this board, you're a troll." There are more than a few on here who cant handle apposing viewpoints without posting shit like that... They know they cant answer with logical debate to it always reorts to that.. Now i only post when it obvious someone is only talking bullshit or putting half the story out.

I had wanted the International forum to be free of personal abuse.. but it seems some on here cant live without it...

Stop bullshitting again, you never post anything about RL, you only post about RU and defend it.

If as you said in the quote I am now replying too that you stopped posting threads and news about RL, I'll call bs again as you never post about RL in any capacity except what I stated above when its defending RU.

You have no interest at all in RL and you are here to annoy the fans that are and play god.

knock it off.

 

[Te Kaha]

And your point is?

So what if some strangers on the internet don't think Rugby Union is the best thing since sliced bread? So what if they think Rugby Union management and some of their elitist bretheren are a bunch of wankers? So what if they think Union is a shit game?

Perhaps if this were a Rugby Union webpage you might have a justification to get your knickers in such a twist.

But the fact remains that THIS IS A RUGBY LEAGUE WEBPAGE and not everyone loves Rugby Union as much as you do and nor is there any law requiring them to treat it with even a modicum of respect.

The sooner you guys accept that and stop pretending to be the moral majority the sooner you will return to reality.

Way to deflect there... nobody cares if you throw a tanty and abuse rugby... it only causes issues when you make shit up or post unfounded allegations..since you refuse to debate in a logical and rational way it always ends in a shit fight... granted you arent the only one who does it but for most it is left to the fight club... you and junior like to do it together all over the board.

Sounds accurate to me, that's why I posted it.

Yeah but you are boderline geniused due to the probable exesive intake of drugs so i am sure it does aousnd accurate to you... its not in anyway shape or form, but you go on believing what you like.

Stop bullshitting again, you never post anything about RL, you only post about RU and defend it.

If as you said in the quote I am now replying too that you stopped posting threads and news about RL, I'll call bs again as you never post about RL in any capacity except what I stated above when its defending RU.

You have no interest at all in RL and you are here to annoy the fans that are and play god.

knock it off.

Funny.. this thread is full of posts i have made concerning League... lack of reading and comprehension schools must also be a side effect of the drug intake.

 

[docbrown]

it only causes issues when you make shit up or post unfounded allegations..

You've already accused me previously -

You dont know exactly what happened, so far there is only a little information.. you are making assumptions based on incomplete information.

When I had specifically said -

But again there's a real case here - Manurewa_Marlins - a real person with a real experience. I'm interested in finding out more.

If Manurewa Marlins can show some just cause that there was no charter and no problem with finances, are you willing to concede that his case (& perhaps some others) may indeed be genuine rather than dismissing it outright?

So go on, keep accusing me of making shit up. What you imagine inside your thick f**king skull and what I actually post are two very different things.

Way to deflect there... nobody cares if you throw a tanty and abuse rugby...

Brilliant impartial moderating skills there.

You're a real f**king hero, you know that? :lol:

 

[Te Kaha]

You're a real f**king hero, you know that? :lol:

Thanks.. i wouldnt say that... but hey if thats the way you feel then good for you.

 

[league13]

I have been reading your posting Te Kaha and could'nt help but reply.To suggest that discrimination did'nt exist in schoolboy football, would, indicate either you had very little to do with schoolboy footy, or, that you are a biggot.

I coached and refereed Schoolboy Rugby League for thirty years in West Auckland and came across many instances of this.It was common knowledge, in both League and Union circles that this practice took place and was widespread.
A certain West Auckland Headmaster and recent All Black Coach was one of the worst instigators of preventing schoolboys playing league.

 

[Te Kaha]

I have been reading your posting Te Kaha and could'nt help but reply.To suggest that discrimination did'nt exist in schoolboy football, would, indicate either you had very little to do with schoolboy footy, or, that you are a biggot.

I coached and refereed Schoolboy Rugby League for thirty years in West Auckland and came across many instances of this.It was common knowledge, in both League and Union circles that this practice took place and was widespread.
A certain West Auckland Headmaster and recent All Black Coach was one of the worst instigators of preventing schoolboys playing league.

Or it means i wasnt involved in Auckland school boy football.. since i am and have been based in Wellington it would be very difficult for me to know what is happening in Auckland schools... but whatever throw out the biggot card if you want.. you are wrong but whatever makes you happy...

would you care to name the school or schools in question and provide some evidence that it was "widespread".