Discussion in 'Penrith Panthers' started by herbert henry1908, Jun 1, 2016.
Empathy, and trust, plays a major part in recovery, and that is what I was implying.
I was never one to say he was on overs. Due to the off field stuff you can't measure but the baton has been passed on. We don't need to pay such money on a 31 year old now
People said the same thing last year. Having one of his better years this year
I am one of the few who doesn't rate Leota. I would have Leinu in front of him now
Storm ain't that dumb.
I don't either.
The lack of dummy spit about needing to pay the good kids comming through, rather than keep him as he's perhaps already on the downhill slide. Shows his team first mentality. That is at the heart of good culture.
Disagree 1,000 %. Moses has matured into a class prop. Ready to take the next level as he has done in 2020, for 2021.
It is hard to use stats for props because of different mins etc
What you can use is. Leota has conceded more penalties then the other props. Infact only Luai and Martin have conceded more.
Tackle % for the props
So the 2 things you don't want from a starting prop can easily get the team on the back foot
maybe in a hospital, not on the Footy field. The best physio staff are absolute jerks and they don’t mind admitting it.
It’s a lot harder to push someone to do something they don’t wanna do, when you’re mates with them.
You and I both know stats can tell you almost anything....some of it helpful some of it not helpful
Leota has stepped up big time during 2020. I see no reason why this won't occur again during the 2021 season.
Leota has speed and good footwork for a big man. Something that can't be coached and generally doesn't show up in meaningless stats.
The involvement rate stat takes into account minutes on the field. Leota is in the top 20 in the NRL, in fact he is currently 7th. You can’t cherry pick stats. I would like to see Leniu’s stats when he plays more minutes. It’s easier to have higher effective rates, metres per run and lower error rates when you are fresh. Leota also makes more metres per run than Tetavano, Tamou and JFH. He has made the most tackle breaks out of all the props. 10 vs Tetavano’s 3.
It’s not hard to use stats for props, you just have to use the right ones and interpret them.
BTW what the stats do tell us is that if Leniu can maintain the same level of performance over bigger minutes, he will be our number one prop. His stats are that good already. 8 Tackle breaks in 10 games, the highest average metres per run at 10m and an effective tackle rate of 94%. Once he gets a few more off seasons under his belt could be a superstar.
I think we can probably all agree on that. Leniu has the makings of being one of the best middles in the game but there’s no reason he shouldn’t earn it off the bench for another year while he ramps up to Leota’s 2020 minutes (35ish).
While Leota and Tetevano offer comparable performances for me, Leota is young, a junior, a good bloke and has done his time on this team’s bench.
Leota is a good prop and for this season I’d start Leota over Leniu if we had to pick one to start.
Leniu is a young superstar his development isn’t going to follow the normal two or three years off the bench and in and out of the team, he’s to good. Fish at 19 was not as good as Leniu is at 19 IMO, Spencer is actually a fair bit better than Fish was at that age. I think by next season he will be a better prop than Leota(if he isn’t already). He’s going to take someone’s starting spot eventually for sure.
Just pick the best prop and start them. It’s probably already Leniu, unless Spencer can’t handle an extra 5-10 minutes than he is better already.
Who said that she wasn't pushing them? Oh well it is a moot point now.
I didn't cherry pick them I just stated the ones that look bad for if we are going to start Leota. So not to have a whole page of every stat
Our 1st 20 mins has been great and want to keep it going. Giving away a dumb penalty or missing tackles will change it around.
That has been Leota's issue and I haven't seen any difference so it is just weighing it up. Remembering what Leinu is doing is off the back of virtually no pre season and no 2nd tier footy to get match fitness up.
It is scary to think what another pre season will do to him
Yep Leniu by next season could be one of the better props in the game.
Also re Leota, this has been his best season so far in terms of impact. He handled his start well the other week with Yeo out but I think he is more suited to a bench role, he can come off the bench and impact the game quite well but does he have another level to bring that impact consistently as a starter? Im not sure, with Leniu I am sure hes got two or three more levels left and he will be able to have as much or more impact starting as he does off the bench.
One last one, Leota has started many games in particular last season he was starting often so its not like he has been hanging around the bench for years waiting for that starting spot to open up only to lose it to Leniu. Fish moving to prop this season has made him a bench player and he has really done well in that role.
Staines has has a recurrence of his hamstring injury - that's a big worry this early in his career. Combined with his apparent chronic jaw problem might make him a high risk signing.- https://www.penrithpanthers.com.au/news/2020/09/18/westfund-injury-update-round-19/
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