Rumoured/Confirmed Signings 2011/2012

[B-Tron 3000]

Excuse me? I'm not in the position to have an opinion because I don't have inside knowledge. Well neither do you.

The whole reason online forums exist is to air your opinions, and listen to other people's opinions. It's all about discussion. So if someone isn't allowed to air their opinion you may as well close this forum down because without debate and discussion what's the point?

None of us know why certain decisions at the club are made, whether it be be recruitment, selections, coaching tactics, or board level. But just because we don't know the details doesn't mean we cannot discuss those decisions or air opinions against one another.

Mate, I've never said that people shouldn't have opinions. But people should stick to opinions which they can reasonably support with facts, otherwise exaxtly how are you "discussing those opinions against one another"?

If it's on-field performance you are commenting on, then in those cases the "facts" that you are using are the 80 minutes of footage you can access on NRL.com or watch on tele - we can all see that.

If it's players that we have signed, then people can comment on their worth based on what they have seen on the field.

But when it comes to players that we HAVEN'T signed, no-one knows why, and therefore the "discussion" is pointless and basically ends up like this one - some people whingeing and some arguing against their whingeing.


For example, with Champion, if people actually think he's a good player (he's average in my opinion) then they can be upset that we didn't get him, but to somehow say that our recruitment is no good, well that is a criticism with nothing to back it up.

Recruitment is something which can only be effectively judged over the period of a couple of years, maybe even three. That is because performance in recruitment is limited to who is coming off contract, both at our club and at others, and how they might fit into our club, and how they might affect our recruitment next year.


I said all i wanted to about the difference between evaluating on-field performance and evaluating recruitment with the last post on page 28 of this thread:

http://forums.leagueunlimited.com/showthread.php?t=385648&page=28

 

[Joshuatheeel]

Never played in the finals even with the team souths have been building, he can't be that good!

We have been winning lower grade comps for decades, what has that done for us, just cause they are good at 16, means nothing!

Just because the model worked at Melbourne doesn't mean it will here! The whole club has to be on the same page, history suggests a lot of people within the club will need to be moved on, from office, coaching staff, players, volunteers, everyone!

F88k me seriously all you do is look for the total negative in everything the eels do. Yeah Souths have not made the semis for a while but Sadnow is only 22 years old. You seriously cannot state Sandow is sh*t becuase souths have not made the semis. But on your think you were not be interested in the following souths players as they have not made the semis for a few years;

- Burgess
- Tyrell
- Crocker
- Luke

And to go further Thurston must also be crap because I tell you what Cowboys apart for some good form this year have been rable for several years.

So what would you do the change the club? and you only have 6 months to do it as that is the timeframe you are giving Kearney !!!

 

[Joshuatheeel]

Mitchell Pearce is the best young halfback in the game, though I'm glad we've got Sandow coming because he's the second best.

The kids you're talking about are pretty much all unwanted by their current clubs.

Esi Tonga and Talmia Tautia both had interest from the Storm, but choose the eels.

 

[Joshuatheeel]

Actually I belive that Poo is taking about the Matthews and SG Ball players that Nolan has signed from other clubs. This will be a positive for the club ..... as long as we don't get fed the same notion that winning club championships means success.

No it won't back mean automatic success, but it will mean on occassions like last night we actually have a bunch of quality juniors to bring up into the top side when required. Look at the Broncos last night a lot of side were graduates from the Toyota cup, yet the eels only have had about 5 players to graduate over the last 3-4 years. T

 

[Eels Dude]

Mate, I've never said that people shouldn't have opinions. But people should stick to opinions which they can reasonably support with facts, otherwise exaxtly how are you "discussing those opinions against one another"?

If it's on-field performance you are commenting on, then in those cases the "facts" that you are using are the 80 minutes of footage you can access on NRL.com or watch on tele - we can all see that.

If it's players that we have signed, then people can comment on their worth based on what they have seen on the field.

But when it comes to players that we HAVEN'T signed, no-one knows why, and therefore the "discussion" is pointless and basically ends up like this one - some people whingeing and some arguing against their whingeing.


For example, with Champion, if people actually think he's a good player (he's average in my opinion) then they can be upset that we didn't get him, but to somehow say that our recruitment is no good, well that is a criticism with nothing to back it up.

Recruitment is something which can only be effectively judged over the period of a couple of years, maybe even three. That is because performance in recruitment is limited to who is coming off contract, both at our club and at others, and how they might fit into our club, and how they might affect our recruitment next year.


I said all i wanted to about the difference between evaluating on-field performance and evaluating recruitment with the last post on page 28 of this thread:

http://forums.leagueunlimited.com/showthread.php?t=385648&page=28

I agree with you in essence. But if you are going to go along that line of argument than none of us should share opinions on recruitment at all. Because for every reason a player doesn't sign with us, well you can also question why a player does choose to sign with us.

I don't think anyone has criticised the club and labelled out players we haven't signed as ones we SHOULD have signed. Moreso it's a case of saying "our recruitment for next season has been poor" which it has been in my opinion. We can only make assumptions and discuss why that is the case. Apart from Chris Sandow we haven't made any quality signings for next season and that's what's being questioned as to 'why'.

 

[Eels Dude]

Esi Tonga and Talmia Tautia both had interest from the Storm, but choose the eels.

Hopefully money wasn't the deciding factor. The Storm will take any discard as proven in the past.

 

[Kornstar]

F88k me seriously all you do is look for the total negative in everything the eels do. Yeah Souths have not made the semis for a while but Sadnow is only 22 years old. You seriously cannot state Sandow is sh*t becuase souths have not made the semis. But on your think you were not be interested in the following souths players as they have not made the semis for a few years;

- Burgess
- Tyrell
- Crocker
- Luke

And to go further Thurston must also be crap because I tell you what Cowboys apart for some good form this year have been rable for several years.

So what would you do the change the club? and you only have 6 months to do it as that is the timeframe you are giving Kearney !!!

Tbh I don't see many positives, that is my opinion

Never said Sandow is shit just that he is yet to prove himself, he has been better this year but still inconsistent.

I would clear out the complete staff, top to bottom! SK, Arthur (before I get beaten down, they are to stay) and then a completely new set of staff, start fresh.

Should we judge Kearney after 3 years then? That seems to be the consensus, untouchable for 3 years? As a season ticket holder, merchandise buyer and supporter, that is unacceptable.......

He is into a full off season and 17 rounds and we have been garbage for all but a few games! I don't see the team gelling and that is the job of the coach........

 

[Kornstar]

Didn't stop Tim Smith and Patrick O'Hanlon two of the better juniors from QLD and both with a few clubs chasing them, both choose the eels over the Broncos.

That's what 99% meant. Brisbane have players just as good as O'Hanlon playing first grade right now who are young!

The Bronco's can't keep them all. O'Hanlon is a great talent but to say he is the best of them all is a stretch.

 

[Joshuatheeel]

Tbh I don't see many positives, that is my opinion

Never said Sandow is shit just that he is yet to prove himself, he has been better this year but still inconsistent.

I would clear out the complete staff, top to bottom! SK, Arthur (before I get beaten down, they are to stay) and then a completely new set of staff, start fresh.

Should we judge Kearney after 3 years then? That seems to be the consensus, untouchable for 3 years? As a season ticket holder, merchandise buyer and supporter, that is unacceptable.......

He is into a full off season and 17 rounds and we have been garbage for all but a few games! I don't see the team gelling and that is the job of the coach........

yep give him three years you cannot change a club, its culture and playing style over night, it takes time especially when most agree we have one of the poorer squads in the comp and Kearney has not even had an opportunity to shape it. If this time next year we are still towards the bottom of the table, then we should start question if Kearney is up to it.

Also apart from Bennett not many coaches have the ability to turn a side around and its culture in halof a season, even Bellamy who had a bloody good squad when he joined the storm (Scott Hill, Orford, Kearns, Martin, Bai to name a few players he had in the first year) took three years to get the side playing like he wanted. Look at Des Hasler, it took him a while at Manly and a bloody big spending spree as well.

Finally I ask you how many players in our squad would make the top 17 for most other sides ? A few forwards would, but in our backs, only Hayne would guarantee a start with any other side, Burt may make a few sides, but no one else would.

 

[Suitman]

Mate, I've never said that people shouldn't have opinions. But people should stick to opinions which they can reasonably support with facts, otherwise exaxtly how are you "discussing those opinions against one another"?

If it's on-field performance you are commenting on, then in those cases the "facts" that you are using are the 80 minutes of footage you can access on NRL.com or watch on tele - we can all see that.

If it's players that we have signed, then people can comment on their worth based on what they have seen on the field.

But when it comes to players that we HAVEN'T signed, no-one knows why, and therefore the "discussion" is pointless and basically ends up like this one - some people whingeing and some arguing against their whingeing.


For example, with Champion, if people actually think he's a good player (he's average in my opinion) then they can be upset that we didn't get him, but to somehow say that our recruitment is no good, well that is a criticism with nothing to back it up.

Recruitment is something which can only be effectively judged over the period of a couple of years, maybe even three. That is because performance in recruitment is limited to who is coming off contract, both at our club and at others, and how they might fit into our club, and how they might affect our recruitment next year.


I said all i wanted to about the difference between evaluating on-field performance and evaluating recruitment with the last post on page 28 of this thread:

http://forums.leagueunlimited.com/showthread.php?t=385648&page=28

Excellent post and 100% correct.

Suity

 

[parra-matters]

back on membership and communication what happened to the Pirtek Pages? meant be 4 a year isn't there?

 

[Maroubra Eel]

back on membership and communication what happened to the Pirtek Pages? meant be 4 a year isn't there?

Bwah ha ha ha

 

[Ratchy]

He is into a full off season and 17 rounds and we have been garbage for all but a few games!

With a team he had little to nothing to do with recruiting........

 

[Eels Dude]

With a team he had little to nothing to do with recruiting........

Same as our last coach. Yet he was shown the door. I don't think anyone here is bagging out our coach Steve Kearney at all, just questioning the club's decision to take a 'one step forward, two step backwards' approach.

 

[Maroubra Eel]

If we buy a 2,3,4, and 5 our side will be complete next year.

Our 1 is fine, we have a new 6 and 7. Our forwards are fine.

 

[Parra Pride]

Any news on the signing of the entire QLD squad?

 

[spartan2153]

With a team he had little to nothing to do with recruiting........

If its good for 1 its good for the other. That excuse doesn't wash. Next year kearney has had more flexibility in regards to salary cap. If we are not in the top 6 with what he has chosen to buy & develop then he should be treated like any other coach.

Like that knob from pirtek said. We didn't plan on renewing the previous coaches contract so there was no use in keeping him for his final year.

So if history has anything to do with it. If we are not in the 8 by July I expect osbourne to be interviewing other coaches for back up just in case we don't make the 8 just like last year lol

 

[Pazza]

If we buy a 2,3,4, and 5 our side will be complete next year.

Our 1 is fine, we have a new 6 and 7. Our forwards are fine.

i dont see whats wrong with 3.Reddy 4 Loko 5.Burt

All we need is a decent winger!

Good back up in Tonga, Atkins, Sio, Morgan, TT etc

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Same as our last coach. Yet he was shown the door.

The board didn't think he could change the culture at the club.

I don't think anyone here is bagging out our coach Steve Kearney at all, just questioning the club's decision to take a 'one step forward, two step backwards' approach.

The difference is, Kearney's well respected, with a big profile in the game. Anderson was seen by most as a bit of a nomad, without the commanding presence of Kearney.

Basically, Kearney was seen as having a lot more potential than Anderson.

Either that or the board thought they'd be more chance of being voted back in by sacking a good coach and replacing him with a shit one. :roll:

 

[Poupou Escobar]

If its good for 1 its good for the other.

How does that work?

This isn't pre-school. And Kearney's not Anderson. There's no way they should be treated the same.