Rumoured/Confirmed Signings and General Drivel XV

[Eels Dude]

Do you think hindys game changed as he became older or footy players in general became more professional and stronger and he just didn't bust the line as easily?? Or a bit of both.

I don't know what you mean by the bolded part at all.

Hindy just got slower and less mobile as he got older. A lot of former backrowers end up playing in the frontrow later in their careers for the same reason. He still had his ticker though and just became a tackling machine in his later years

 

[strider]

hindy was never the same after he f**ked his knee in 2005 - plus he had ongoing foot issues .... i think it was also his mindset tho - he switched off attack and spent all his energy on defense

 

[I bleed blue & gold]

PARRAMATTA officials have moved to douse speculation co-captain Tim Mannah may leave the club at the end of the season, revealing they are confident a deal can be struck with the former NSW front rower in the next week or two.

Mannah is off contract at the end of the year and it is understood rival clubs are ready to swoop should he fail to reach a suitable agreement with the Eels.

However, Parramatta chief executive Scott Seward insists Mannah remains an important figure in the club, both for his work on the field and off it.

“I am confident,” Seward said.

“I would expect we would get it done reasonably soon. We’re pretty close to the mark. I would expect we would hopefully get something locked away and put to bed in the next week or so.

“Tim is an important part of what we want the club to be from a cultural perspective. We want good players but we also want good people.

“I don’t think there is many better people than Tim Mannah. He is certainly a required player and a required person more importantly.

“He’s certainly part of the club.”

Mannah will take centre stage again tonight as the Eels travel to Brisbane to play the Broncos at Suncorp Stadium. The club has had an encouraging start to the year, winning two of its opening four games.

Mannah, who played the last of his four games for NSW three years ago, has been a pivotal figure in those results and he can give his hopes of a Blues recall a resounding lift with a big performance against a Brisbane pack boasting a handful of Queensland representatives.

He made it clear yesterday that speculation over his future would have no impact on his form.

“You know I’ve got people who worry about stuff like contracts and my future so for me it’s just a matter of doing my job the best I can and letting other people do their jobs,” Mannah said.

However, a big performance against Brisbane would also enhance interest among other clubs. Yet Seward indicated they would be wasting their time pursuing Mannah.

“I am not really worried about what other clubs are doing,” Seward said.

“I think the key thing is we want Tim at Parramatta, Tim wants to stay at Parramatta and we will work out the finer details. It is as simple as that.”

Meanwhile, the NRL will take Parramatta and the other 15 NRL clubs through their plans for funding for next season over the coming week.

Clubs are yet to find out how much money they will receive in grants for next season and beyond. The picture will become clearer as the NRL holds individual teleconferences with the chairmen and chief executives of the 16 clubs.

The game’s governing body is expected to reveal a tiered funding model in which clubs are given a base figure which increases provided they meet certain requirements in terms of governance, sponsorship and membership.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...AustralianSportsNews+(The+Australian+|+Sport)

 

[yy_cheng]

You do realize that learning from history, if one is wise enough, can altar and even dictate ones future decisions right?

Look around you, you might be surprised at what history has taught you and how you behave because of it.

Exactly.

For the young uns, you should learn from your experience and take the good and leave the bad. You should even learn from other's experiences and grow yourself.

history repeats.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

"Jarryd Who? Oh, him. He couldn't handle today's game. He'd probably play hooker."

Hooker has become the most important position on the field. Or at least one of them.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

The game?s governing body is expected to reveal a tiered funding model in which clubs are given a base figure which increases provided they meet certain requirements in terms of governance, sponsorship and membership.

I think it's awesome that the rich will get richer.

That might be how it works in the real world, but sport is supposed to be fair. That's what makes it worth watching.

 

[phantom eel]

I don't know what you mean by the bolded part at all.

Hindy just got slower and less mobile as he got older. A lot of former backrowers end up playing in the frontrow later in their careers for the same reason. He still had his ticker though and just became a tackling machine in his later years

I think he was implying Hindy's opposition players became more professional (stronger etc) over the years, and he lost some ability to break the line in attack.

 

[hineyrulz]

hindy was never the same after he f**ked his knee in 2005 - plus he had ongoing foot issues .... i think it was also his mindset tho - he switched off attack and spent all his energy on defense

Agree with this, that merkin Brett Seymour and hindy was never quite the same player again. In 2005 he was easily the best forward in the world.

 

[born an eel]

Hooker has become the most important position on the field. Or at least one of them.

so what positions aren't important in todays game?

even who you have on the bench these days seem to be important,
#BillyRogers

 

[spiderdan]

Hooker has become the most important position on the field. Or at least one of them.

concur, depending on which position in a team's structure runs point on attack I think it will always be first or second.

Ill to a little bit further to say if you don't have a dominant 9 you need a very dominant half that works well with the 9 to run the show.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

so what positions aren't important in todays game?

even who you have on the bench these days seem to be important,
#BillyRogers

How do you get important/unimportant out of more/less important?

 

[Eels Dude]

I think he was implying Hindy's opposition players became more professional (stronger etc) over the years, and he lost some ability to break the line in attack.

Ah ok. Well while that's true, I don't think that would have anything to do with Hindy's change from an attacking player to defensive player, you can tell by watching old replays how quick and mobile he was, but then when he got to 26-27 just lost a lot of speed and agility. Having to defend so much as well wouldn't have helped his attacking game, but he was still able to put in for years after and play the game for another 5 or so years at a high level just in a different role.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

After he hurt his knee and slowed down he was still a good attacking player. From about 2006 he would make huge metres up the middle, plus offloads and quick play-the-balls, and he would still dominate bigger forwards in tackles.

It's testament to Hindy's massive physical strength and endurance that he remained a quality attacking player right up to 2009. That's when he began his decline. He was still a hard worker, but his speed and strength really started to putter out. By 2012 he was no more than a solid first grader.

 

[born an eel]

How do you get important/unimportant out of more/less important?

ok, which positions are less important?

we have seen that it is hard to carry a half who has a weakness in defense, so while a good spine may set up a lot of the plays, a good team is only as strong as it's weakest link

 

[spiderdan]

ok, which positions are less important?

we have seen that it is hard to carry a half who has a weakness in defense, so while a good spine may set up a lot of the plays, a good team is only as strong as it's weakest link

the less important ones are the role players that can be replaced if they leave or get injured.

 

[hindy111]

ok, which positions are less important?

we have seen that it is hard to carry a half who has a weakness in defense, so while a good spine may set up a lot of the plays, a good team is only as strong as it's weakest link

All are important, but some positions are easier too fill.

It hard getting a great 7 & 9 so id say these are the two most important too keep when find a good one.Yes 1 is but there always seems to be good fullbacks popping up.
Wingers are a dime a dozen, and id say your bench props are easy to find someone to fill the role.

 

[born an eel]

All are important, but some positions are easier too fill.

It hard getting a great 7 & 9 so id say these are the two most important too keep when find a good one.Yes 1 is but there always seems to be good fullbacks popping up.
Wingers are a dime a dozen, and id say your bench props are easy to find someone to fill the role.

I think the demand for positions can affect the perceived value of players depending on availability.

while we payed what is now perceived as overs for sandow, he was the best available at the time. The dogs are finding it hard to replace Barba at the moment so maybe the surplus of good no. 1's is getting thin.

For some reason the availability of good players for a certain positions seem to fluctuate over certain eras.

 

[born an eel]

the less important ones are the role players that can be replaced if they leave or get injured.

well that would depend on the depth of the players at a club.

While certain players are irreplaceable, these players play in different positions at their individual clubs. good coaches will set their game plays around the strength of their team

 

[Poupou Escobar]

we have seen that it is hard to carry a half who has a weakness in defense, so while a good spine may set up a lot of the plays, a good team is only as strong as it's weakest link

Except nearly every halfback is a weakness in defence. Even the good defenders like Pearce and Cronk. These guys don't defend as well at three in as would another centre or back rower.

But their clubs still carry them, so there must be a payoff to balance the defensive weakness. The question is how much kicking and playmaking must a halfback provide to make up for his relative defensive liability? The answer to that question is constantly being redefined, but a decade ago plenty of teams were sticking a back rower (or centre) in the 6 jersey and only playing with one half. Except for the Canberra Raiders there is no other team prepared to sacrifice playmaking/kicking on one side of the field, and even Canberra don't have to make the sacrifice - Milford does the playmaking on the left, and Wighton does the kicking. But Canberra's strength so far this year has been the defence of their halves - they have missed only 13 tackles between them this year, in four games. Carney and Holdsworth missed that many between them on the weekend.

 

[spiderdan]

Except nearly every halfback is a weakness in defence. Even the good defenders like Pearce and Cronk. These guys don't defend as well at three in as would another centre or back rower.

But their clubs still carry them, so there must be a payoff to balance the defensive weakness. The question is how much kicking and playmaking must a halfback provide to make up for his relative defensive liability? The answer to that question is constantly being redefined, but a decade ago plenty of teams were sticking a back rower (or centre) in the 6 jersey and only playing with one half. Except for the Canberra Raiders there is no other team prepared to sacrifice playmaking/kicking on one side of the field, and even Canberra don't have to make the sacrifice - Milford does the playmaking on the left, and Wighton does the kicking. But Canberra's strength so far this year has been the defence of their halves - they have missed only 13 tackles between them this year, in four games. Carney and Holdsworth missed that many between them on the weekend.

wighton is a pretty good defender from what I have seen. Good move by Stuart to actually use him in a position he is more comfortable playing.

He and campo may be good defenders so far but by the same token, Tim smith only missed one tackle in his first seven games.